Can anyone tell me what the differences are between the Denon103 and Denon 103r and how this difference affects acoustic presentation of the cartridge? Are both these cartridges still available?
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Denon 103 vs 103R
Can anyone tell me what the differences are between the Denon103 and Denon 103r and how this difference affects acoustic presentation of the cartridge? Are both these cartridges still available?
Main system : VPI Scout 1.1 / JMW 9T / 2M Black / Croft 25R+ / Croft 7 / Heco Celan GT 702
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I think that one has very pure copper and the other dosent. Yep both still available as far as I can remember.
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They do sound different. They share the punchy bass character and there's some similarity in the decent mid presentation, but the 'R' is considerably better, far more refined, detailed and cleaner at the top and I'd say more open sounding. I've used both side by side. The 'R' is well worth the extra money over the basic 103 and has little or no real competition at its price.
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+1Originally Posted by walpurgis
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Thanks for this thread Jim I'm very interested in the Denon 103 so Ill go for the 103R in stead
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I've a 103 coming this week, hopefully, can't wait to hear it
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Hi Alan, yes considering the 103R but also interested in the Zu 103R. I did really like Marco's DL-S1 at NEBO but this does cost considerably more and not sure if still available?
Main system : VPI Scout 1.1 / JMW 9T / 2M Black / Croft 25R+ / Croft 7 / Heco Celan GT 702
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I miss my old 103 so I have just bought a 103R for my SME 3012 / Valve setup.
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PRE Croft Epoch(Modded) AMP Sondex S100 (Modded) SPEAKERS Tannoy 15"MG+RFC Warwick cabs+ Ref XO + Batpure supertweeters DECK Garrard 301 Mat Teunto Bearings 401(Bastin) Plinth Bamboo Arms 3009/3012 PSU Eagle+Tachometer MC Ag Meister II/FGS + Ortofon SPU MONO CABLES Arm Yannis 420.5 Litz+ SpeakerPC Tripple C+WBT-0681 Ag IC Oyaide FTVS-510 AgWBT 0110Ag Phonostages Paradise(4 Box Mega-Modded) / Croft Musicmaker
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Let us know your thoughts on how this sounds with your valve set up. Are you using the Croft and if so what SUT /Head amp you using?I miss my old 103 so I have just bought a 103R for my SME 3012 / Valve setup.
Main system : VPI Scout 1.1 / JMW 9T / 2M Black / Croft 25R+ / Croft 7 / Heco Celan GT 702
Second System : Goldring Lenco GL75 / AT95EX / Pioneer SX590 / Spendor SP2
Trade: Wakefield Turntables
Location: Yorkshire
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I'm Andrew.
Yeah using croft micro basic 25 and the ortofon st80se SUT. Previous carts have sounded very good indeed with this setup.
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VALVE
PRE Croft Epoch(Modded) AMP Sondex S100 (Modded) SPEAKERS Tannoy 15"MG+RFC Warwick cabs+ Ref XO + Batpure supertweeters DECK Garrard 301 Mat Teunto Bearings 401(Bastin) Plinth Bamboo Arms 3009/3012 PSU Eagle+Tachometer MC Ag Meister II/FGS + Ortofon SPU MONO CABLES Arm Yannis 420.5 Litz+ SpeakerPC Tripple C+WBT-0681 Ag IC Oyaide FTVS-510 AgWBT 0110Ag Phonostages Paradise(4 Box Mega-Modded) / Croft Musicmaker
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