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  1. 12-01-2015, 08:02 #1
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    Default Additional Headshell Mass with a 103R in a Standard SL1210 Arm?

    Hello,

    I've got a Technics SL1210 Mk2 here in totally bog standard form, its in lovely condition thankfully. Does anyone here use a Denon 103R in a totally standard un-fettled SL1200 here? If yes, did you need any additional mass (and how much approx) added to the arm or head-shell as its a fairly low compliance cartridge in a medium mass arm (I believe).

    I've got a DL110 too which I think is a straight drop-in with no additional mass needed, just toying with either going in.

    Thought's?

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    Hi Dave,

    How’s it going? Still building some nice DIY kit? Nice to see you popping in from audio talk

    We’ve actually been discussing that very subject recently on a couple of threads. See this one (and my responses from post #10 onwards: http://theartofsound.net/forum/showt...oil-cartridges and also this one from the beginning: http://theartofsound.net/forum/showt...-DL103-or-103R

    If you’ve got any other queries, just give us a shout!

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    Thin lead sheet strip, usually sold as 'dolls' house lead flashing' is useful for adding mass - it can be simply wrapped around the end of the arm tube and it's easy to find the optimum extra mass. Here's an example: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Real-Thin-...item2c94d61bb8
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  4. 12-01-2015, 11:01 #4
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Still building some nice DIY kit?

    Marco.
    Hi ya Marco, yeah, I only know how to build nice stuff, ugly ones are a no-no! Arf!

    Ta for the links, I had a quick search through a while back but hadn't seen those threads. I'll have a read through at Lunchtime.

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    ... and it's easy to find the optimum extra mass.
    Thanks Mr A Acoustics, I've got some thin lead sheeting, thats 'andy 'arry! Y'say its easy to find optimum extra mass, I'm all ears tell me more please.
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    Ive got a bag of these 3g Techy headshell plates. I fit extra long cartridge bolts so that the heads are under the cart, the extra long bolts sticking upwards, i just stack on top then till im happy.

    You can temporarily make a Low Mass arm Higher Mass but you can't make an high mass arm lower

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    Check if they’re magnetic, dude, ‘cos some are, and if so, next to useless…. The last thing you want is a big magnetic lump next to yer cart!

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    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

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    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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    I don't use em i do massy experiments with em
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    Ah, gotcha

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    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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  9. 15-01-2015, 11:21 #9
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    FWIW the Technics Headplate I got from Juno is magnetic.

    I'm making up a small brass plate to add mass.

    More news as it's made, whahey!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    You can temporarily make a Low Mass arm Higher Mass but you can't make an high mass arm lower

    Well of course you can. Just follow the surgeon's motto: 'When in doubt - cut it out'.
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