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    Default Steve's first Lenco

    After acquiring a 1973 Goldring Lenco GL78 I thought I'd better
    try toget it up and running with a decent modern arm, so....

    Before playing about with mass damping and giving myself a hernia, I thought I'd better make a test plinth to see what all the fuss is about regarding idler driven record players.

    Hunting around for some materials that could be pressed into service for nowt, I came across some 1 1/2" laminated kitchen worktop in the cellar. This was reasonably heavy high density chipboard with a coarse-grained core so I figured it would work nicely to absorb vibrations.

    First job after cleaning up the deck and polishing the top plate with Auto Glym car polish was to hack off the left hand corner. This would leave room to fit the Origin Live RB251.



    In order for the Rega's armrest projection to clear the top plate, it had to be marked with an angled cut going to the edge.





    Here it is all mercilessly hacked about.


    After the top plate surgery, the worktop was cut out with a slightly modified template so as to allow for the angled cut on the deck top plate, otherwise there would have been nowhere to fix the arm.

    With the deck firmly fixed to the chipboard plinth and a set of black tubular legs fitted, the RB251 arm was put in place. Because of the length of the arm I had to fit it at an angle to prevent the fingerlift fouling the on/off switch.



    A couple of bits of pine strip to hide the chipboard edges and we are in business.

    Quite frankly I'm stunned at the sound of this thing

    Steve

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    OOOH... looks sexy, Steve!

    Nice one

    Lencos are definitely a genuine classic and well worth 'fettling'. Quite frankly, thus done (in a decent plinth), they destroy most modern turntables at anything like an affordable price. I also know that in certain areas they outperform the Jap direct-drives loved by many of us on here.

    Turntables are like any other piece of hi-fi equipment: it's a matter of choosing your compromises.

    Enjoy - I hope you have many happy hours listening to music with it

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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    Hi Marco,

    Yes this TT definitely shows the Thorens TD150 a clean pair of heels in all areas. It is also a remarkably good platform for the Rega RB251 arm.

    I've certainly not heard a Rega arm sound this good.

    Steve

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    There could be some nice synergy going on there, Steve, with your Stanton on the Lenco - as Rega arms can so often sound rather 'grey' tonally and somewhat musically bland, especially with the stock arm cable.

    Of course enjoy it as it is for now, but if you feel like fiddling some more, an arm rewire and paint strip and polish (from the likes of Audio Origami), if you didn't want to do this yourself, along with a Tecnoarm-style counterweight balance, would transform things further

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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    Hi Steve

    The Lenco's really are surprisingly good, mine shown below. You can do all sorts of things to them and there are web sites dedicated to their mods and building techniques.

    Have fun and enjoy your great TT



    Can't get access to my Photobucket account from work, will post a better photo later this evening. Now sorted

    Andy - SDDW
    Last edited by Sand Dancin Donkey Walker; 28-06-2009 at 21:18.
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    Bloody hell Andy!

    That's a stunner
    I want one!

    Steve

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    Steve

    The Lenco is varying layers of Ply, MDF and two butchers blocks. The VTA is a Pete Wriggles device. The Lenco metal toplate has thin ply bonded to the underside to make it a flush/tight fit with the plinth and the top also has Dynamat damping material fitted. There is also FIM bearings to isolate the top plinth from the base block as can be seen under the metal pillars on the outside edges, so the whole top unit gently moves when touched.
    I have tried it without the FIM bearing, just sat on the base block and it is much better with the bearing in place in every respect.

    I must be honest here and say I didn't do any of the work myself, but a mate of mine who is an avid TT builder and tweeker had done it for himself, although it took a while I managed to prise it out of his hands. Been really pleased with it. Sounds great and looks good too.

    Here is a slightly better photo, this shows the current Platter Mat in use and cartridge fitted.

    Just as a thought, you can put a quite exotic arm and cartridge on the Lenco and get some stunning results, though I have the Rega currently the cartridge is a Koetsu Black. I have heard this very Lenco running a Graham 2.2 and a Dynavector 20x. The way to go in a lot of respects. So goes to prove the Lenco is quite capable of great results, with alsorts of arm / cartridge combinations.

    Enjoy and have fun with it all, you can always run one plinth while you make and alternative .



    Andy - SDDW
    Last edited by Sand Dancin Donkey Walker; 28-06-2009 at 21:06.
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    Thanks for the rundown Andy.

    I've been playing records all day with the Lenco, with not a sign of fatigue.
    I can truly say that this is THE first time I have ever been able to do this since 1972, when my Dad ditched our valve radiogram,
    This is despite having owned some very expensive belt driven turntables during the intervening years.

    Up until a few months ago when I decided to give vinyl just one final chance not to totally piss me off, I had virtually given up the black stuff.

    That a long forgotten idler drive TT from the 70s could have actually got me to
    want to play my records and, God forbid, get me thinking about buying some new ones is interesting to say the least.
    Makes me wonder if turntable technology has made any progress at all in the last 35 years.
    On this evidence, modern turntables have gone backwards.

    Steve.
    Last edited by SteveTheShadow; 28-06-2009 at 17:21.

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    Tell us something we don't know, Steve!

    What exactly is better that's modern and worth having in hi-fi?

    Enjoy

    Marco.

    (Owner of a 1970s turntable, 1950s cartridge, valve amp based on 1950s technology, and 1950s vintage Tannoys).
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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    Also **SAY NO** to unjust 'vaccine passports' or certificates, which are totally incompatible with a FREE society!!!


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    To digress a touch here is the Garrard I use to own, should never have sold it, I even had the plinth for a Garrard 301 to use too.

    Silly me for selling, when I should have known better .





    No laughing at the tonearm by the way, it looks like a joke but believe me it worked very well, and in some ways bettered the current Rega in my Lenco.
    It only cost me £35 including postage from a mate of mine in Canada

    Andy - SDDW
    Last edited by Sand Dancin Donkey Walker; 28-06-2009 at 21:11.
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