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    Quote Originally Posted by Ali Tait View Post
    What set up geometry did you use with your Jelco Marco?

    I guess my 250 would use the same geometry..
    Marco has been using SPUs for ages - he just connects the headshell to the end of the arm and pootles about a bit with the VTA and VTF.
    Ortofon seem to prefer Baerwald geometry
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    Hi Ali,

    The ebony armboard that Speedy Steve produced for me was drilled to suit my Ortofon arm, using the protractor supplied with it, which outlined the correct pivot-to-spindle distance, and that in turn facilitates correct cartridge alignment (for my SPU), using Stevenson geometry.

    The Ortofon, Jelco, stock Technics SL-1200 arm, and every other Japanese tonearm I've used, all perform optimally with Stevenson. The DL-103 is also optimised that way. If you haven't got your Jelco currently set-up for Stevenson, try it, and you should be in for a nice upgrade!

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DSJR View Post
    Tried this once and it doesn't work for me... Please remember that this is from the man who bodges up Rega arms, adding loads of midrange resonance to add 'excitement' to an otherwise pretty inert structure, adds other bits of sometimes dubious finish and then sells at a good markup.... in my opinion of course!
    What an appalling and inaccurate thing to say......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Hi Ali,

    The ebony armboard that Speedy Steve produced for me was drilled to suit my Ortofon arm, using the protractor supplied with it, which outlined the correct pivot-to-spindle distance, and that in turn facilitates correct cartridge alignment (for my SPU), using Stevenson geometry.

    The Ortofon, Jelco, stock Technics SL-1200 arm, and every other Japanese tonearm I've used, all perform optimally with Stevenson. The DL-103 is also optimised that way. If you haven't got your Jelco currently set-up for Stevenson, try it, and you should be in for a nice upgrade!

    Marco.
    Cheers dude, I'll give it a try. Have it set up with Baerwald at the mo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratmangler View Post
    Marco has been using SPUs for ages - he just connects the headshell to the end of the arm and pootles about a bit with the VTA and VTF.
    Ortofon seem to prefer Baerwald geometry
    Aye, but I know he used a Jelco for quite a while, and it seems to be quite difficult to find what the correct geometry is for an arm.
    “Music has always been a matter of energy to me, a question of fuel. Sentimental people call it inspiration, but what they really mean is fuel. I have always needed fuel. I am a serious consumer. On some nights I still believe that a car with the gas needle on empty can run about fifty more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio”

    Hunter S Thompson

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    Hi Ali,

    Dom and myself set your arm for Baerwald, that is what I use at home, it sounds the best to me, if you recall Owston in November, both our protractors came up the same, which was Baerwald.

    Nigel

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    There are so many variables with this kind of thing (mainly at which point on the record you wish to minimise distortion), that it's best not to get too anal about it, and simply try out the various geometry options, and go with what sounds best, to your ears, in your system

    However, if you do some proper research, you'll find that Stevenson is the recognised 'optimal' geometry for all Japanese 'S' or 'J'-shaped detachable-headshell tonearms. Even the little plastic overhang/alignment tool (which is surprisingly accurate), and supplied with all new Technics SL-1200/1210 T/Ts, is set up for Stevenson:






    Trust me, the manufacturer wouldn't have done that for nothing!

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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    The standard 750D parameters from Jelco suggest a Stevenson alignment. However, the best alignment for the Acos Arm on my PL-71 appears to be Baerwald, well it seems to work well!

    Edit: Confusing the different alignments up!
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    Incidentally, returning to the original thread topic, I suspect that this could be a more elegant (if not also more expensive) solution:

    http://www.cabezon.eu/product_info.php?products_id=265

    Worth trying, I think, and not just for those with DL-103s

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


    Protect your HUMAN RIGHTS and REFUSE ANY *MANDATORY* VACCINE FOR COVID-19!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vinylspinner View Post
    Hi Ali,

    Dom and myself set your arm for Baerwald, that is what I use at home, it sounds the best to me, if you recall Owston in November, both our protractors came up the same, which was Baerwald.

    Nigel
    Aye, I remember, that's what I have it set with at the moment. I'll give Stevenson a go when I get time.
    “Music has always been a matter of energy to me, a question of fuel. Sentimental people call it inspiration, but what they really mean is fuel. I have always needed fuel. I am a serious consumer. On some nights I still believe that a car with the gas needle on empty can run about fifty more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio”

    Hunter S Thompson

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