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  1. #21
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    This is the content of washing up liquid, guess that's not great for your records either
    • Aqua
    • Sodium laureth sulphate
    • Alcohol denat
    • Lauramine oxide
    • C9-11 pareth-8
    • Sodium chloride
    • 1,3-Cyclohexanedimethanamine
    • PPG (polypropylene glycols)
    • Dimethyl aminoethyl methecrylate/hydroxyproply acrylate copolymer cirate
    • Parfum
    • Geraniol
    • Limonene
    • Colourant

    I have to buy Isopropanol, I have to buy Deionised water, I also bought Illford wetting agent and made a mix up similar to Rffec and it worked good but I don't see what the big deal is about buying L'Art du Son? IMHO its excellent and produced the cleanest records and improved sound quality IMO so its a no brainer for me, and I haven't noticed grass growing out of any of my sleeves yet LOL
    I will keep it in the fridge in future if its known to going off but I hadn't heard of that before ?.
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  2. #22
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    Quote Originally Posted by 337alant View Post
    This is the content of washing up liquid, guess that's not great for your records either
    • Aqua
    • Sodium laureth sulphate
    • Alcohol denat
    • Lauramine oxide
    • C9-11 pareth-8
    • Sodium chloride
    • 1,3-Cyclohexanedimethanamine
    • PPG (polypropylene glycols)
    • Dimethyl aminoethyl methecrylate/hydroxyproply acrylate copolymer cirate
    • Parfum
    • Geraniol
    • Limonene
    • Colourant
    Indeed. In my mixture, you only put a few spots in at the end. I find it works well

    I have to buy Isopropanol, I have to buy Deionised water, I also bought Illford wetting agent and made a mix up similar to Rffec and it worked good but I don't see what the big deal is about buying L'Art du Son?
    None, Alan. If you like it, use it. Personally, I just find it overrated. Plus, it's more fun (and usually cheaper) making up your own solution.

    Marco.
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    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

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    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

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    I ought to put up a pic of my RCM (DIY i might add)...Heath Robinson doesn't even begin to explain it....
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    Been using AM stuff for long and weary and never been disappointed. Alas the price of it has gone up to silly amounts IMHO, so will be looking for an alternative when the remaining 2 bottles I have are finished
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Hi Ali,

    75% de-ionised water, 20% isopropyl alcohol and 5% own-brand supermarket washing-up liquid (such as Sainsbury's Basic range). I've found that works very well, and I can make up litres of the stuff for next to nothing!

    However, I've ordered some of this to try with my second-hand records, which I think will be very good: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Super-Enzy...item19c8d406ea



    Marco.
    Marco, how did the ebay fluid work out vs your home made?
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    Hi Clive,

    It's very good for loosening and getting rid of years of 'baked-on' crud on the dirtiest of records, but a little bit severe for anything else. It's definitely a handy thing to have in one's 'arsenal', as it were, but for normal use I stick to using my DIY formula

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Hi Clive,

    It's very good for loosening and getting rid of years of 'baked-on' crud on the dirtiest of records, but a little bit severe for anything else. It's definitely a handy thing to have in one's 'arsenal', as it were, but for normal use I stick to using my DIY formula

    Marco.
    Thanks Marco, sounds useful for a few of my cruddier records. I'll give your homebrew a go now that I need some more rcm fluid.

    Cheers
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    Bass Amp & DSP Behringer iNuke NU3000DSP x 2
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    Need to progress from a Discostat to an RCM

    Okki Nokki, Moth, VPI - recommendation?
    Given Okki Nokki is considerable cheaper, any drawbacks?

    Thanks

    Steven

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    Hi Steven,

    All these machines work, I have had a VPI and have used Okki Nokki and Moth units, but for me the tracking vacuum type are the best and the Loricraft PRCs have the edge.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulStewart View Post
    Hi Steven,

    All these machines work, I have had a VPI and have used Okki Nokki and Moth units, but for me the tracking vacuum type are the best and the Loricraft PRCs have the edge.

    Cheers
    Thanks for the advice.

    I see the Loricraft PR4 has a lot more suck (is that the trade term?), but comes at a steep premium. About 3 times the cost of an Okki Nokki.

    I do note your comments about L'Art du Son - I have an unused bottle that from what you say will stay unused (the drains need unblocking, so it may have a practical use after all).

    Incidentally, did you get the shiny new power supply for your Composer-1? I'm waiting for Tom to glue together a reference Vinyl 1 phono stage.

    Regards

    Steven

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