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  1. #21
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    This is the content of washing up liquid, guess that's not great for your records either
    • Aqua
    • Sodium laureth sulphate
    • Alcohol denat
    • Lauramine oxide
    • C9-11 pareth-8
    • Sodium chloride
    • 1,3-Cyclohexanedimethanamine
    • PPG (polypropylene glycols)
    • Dimethyl aminoethyl methecrylate/hydroxyproply acrylate copolymer cirate
    • Parfum
    • Geraniol
    • Limonene
    • Colourant

    I have to buy Isopropanol, I have to buy Deionised water, I also bought Illford wetting agent and made a mix up similar to Rffec and it worked good but I don't see what the big deal is about buying L'Art du Son? IMHO its excellent and produced the cleanest records and improved sound quality IMO so its a no brainer for me, and I haven't noticed grass growing out of any of my sleeves yet LOL
    I will keep it in the fridge in future if its known to going off but I hadn't heard of that before ?.
    Alan
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  2. #22
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    Quote Originally Posted by 337alant View Post
    This is the content of washing up liquid, guess that's not great for your records either
    • Aqua
    • Sodium laureth sulphate
    • Alcohol denat
    • Lauramine oxide
    • C9-11 pareth-8
    • Sodium chloride
    • 1,3-Cyclohexanedimethanamine
    • PPG (polypropylene glycols)
    • Dimethyl aminoethyl methecrylate/hydroxyproply acrylate copolymer cirate
    • Parfum
    • Geraniol
    • Limonene
    • Colourant
    Indeed. In my mixture, you only put a few spots in at the end. I find it works well

    I have to buy Isopropanol, I have to buy Deionised water, I also bought Illford wetting agent and made a mix up similar to Rffec and it worked good but I don't see what the big deal is about buying L'Art du Son?
    None, Alan. If you like it, use it. Personally, I just find it overrated. Plus, it's more fun (and usually cheaper) making up your own solution.

    Marco.
    "A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and gets to bed at night, and in between he does what he wants to do". - Milan Kundera.

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    Modified Technics SL-1210MK5G/Mike New high-precision bearing & baseplate/Mike New ETP platter/Bruil record weight/Nagaoka GL602 crystal T/T mat. Paul Hynes SR7EHD PSU (plus regulator modules)/DCSXL pure-silver DC lead. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm/'Speedy Steve' custom-made Ebony armboard. Yannis Tome 423.5 Phono Silver-Litz tonearm cable, with Furutech CF-DIN(R) and Eichmann silver Bullet Plugs. Cartridges: Denon DL-S1 in AT MG-10 headshell with AT-6106 Quattro Hybrid lead-wire. Denon DL-103C1 in '103U' headshell with AT-609 silver lead-wire. Vintage Denon DL-103AU in AT-Ti15ANV Titanium Headshell. Shure M55E in Denon PCL-300 headshell with 6N silver lead-wire. Shure original USA SC35C. Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 transport/DAC. Raspberry Pi-3 Model B and IQaudio Pi-DAC+/Paul Hynes SR3DR-05 linear PSU. Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X preamp. Modified Goldpoint SA4M-47 passive preamp. Stereo Coffee LDR. Head-amp: Paul Hynes design/SR5 PSU. Also modified Lentek. Tube Distinctions 50W Class A P/P Copper amp with cryo-treated Tung Sol KT150s. Speakers: 'Lockwood Majors', using 15" Tannoy Monitor Golds, modified with bespoke crossovers. Also Celestion Ditton 15XRs. Stands: Mana Acoustics (non-magnetic stainless steel 'clones’). Hi-Fi Racks Podium T/T wall shelf. Sony ST-5055L tuner. Cables: Furukawa EE/F-S 2mm & 2.6mm solid-core mains leads, fitted with Furutech FI-50 IECs and FI-1363Rs. Stereo interconnects: Sommer Carbokab 225 (with silver-plated MS Audio non-metallic POM RCAs). Speaker cable: VDH 'The Wind' Hybrid II. Digital coaxial cable: 1m Trompeter Electronics Triax TRC-75-2, with MS Audio ‘Starline' silver-plated RCAs. Mains block: Mark Grant 6-way, modded with Furutech FP-1363R sockets and Furukawa cable. Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW 16.5 record cleaner.

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    I ought to put up a pic of my RCM (DIY i might add)...Heath Robinson doesn't even begin to explain it....
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    Been using AM stuff for long and weary and never been disappointed. Alas the price of it has gone up to silly amounts IMHO, so will be looking for an alternative when the remaining 2 bottles I have are finished
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Hi Ali,

    75% de-ionised water, 20% isopropyl alcohol and 5% own-brand supermarket washing-up liquid (such as Sainsbury's Basic range). I've found that works very well, and I can make up litres of the stuff for next to nothing!

    However, I've ordered some of this to try with my second-hand records, which I think will be very good: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Super-Enzy...item19c8d406ea



    Marco.
    Marco, how did the ebay fluid work out vs your home made?
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    Hi Clive,

    It's very good for loosening and getting rid of years of 'baked-on' crud on the dirtiest of records, but a little bit severe for anything else. It's definitely a handy thing to have in one's 'arsenal', as it were, but for normal use I stick to using my DIY formula

    Marco.
    "A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and gets to bed at night, and in between he does what he wants to do". - Milan Kundera.

    My system:

    Modified Technics SL-1210MK5G/Mike New high-precision bearing & baseplate/Mike New ETP platter/Bruil record weight/Nagaoka GL602 crystal T/T mat. Paul Hynes SR7EHD PSU (plus regulator modules)/DCSXL pure-silver DC lead. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm/'Speedy Steve' custom-made Ebony armboard. Yannis Tome 423.5 Phono Silver-Litz tonearm cable, with Furutech CF-DIN(R) and Eichmann silver Bullet Plugs. Cartridges: Denon DL-S1 in AT MG-10 headshell with AT-6106 Quattro Hybrid lead-wire. Denon DL-103C1 in '103U' headshell with AT-609 silver lead-wire. Vintage Denon DL-103AU in AT-Ti15ANV Titanium Headshell. Shure M55E in Denon PCL-300 headshell with 6N silver lead-wire. Shure original USA SC35C. Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 transport/DAC. Raspberry Pi-3 Model B and IQaudio Pi-DAC+/Paul Hynes SR3DR-05 linear PSU. Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X preamp. Modified Goldpoint SA4M-47 passive preamp. Stereo Coffee LDR. Head-amp: Paul Hynes design/SR5 PSU. Also modified Lentek. Tube Distinctions 50W Class A P/P Copper amp with cryo-treated Tung Sol KT150s. Speakers: 'Lockwood Majors', using 15" Tannoy Monitor Golds, modified with bespoke crossovers. Also Celestion Ditton 15XRs. Stands: Mana Acoustics (non-magnetic stainless steel 'clones’). Hi-Fi Racks Podium T/T wall shelf. Sony ST-5055L tuner. Cables: Furukawa EE/F-S 2mm & 2.6mm solid-core mains leads, fitted with Furutech FI-50 IECs and FI-1363Rs. Stereo interconnects: Sommer Carbokab 225 (with silver-plated MS Audio non-metallic POM RCAs). Speaker cable: VDH 'The Wind' Hybrid II. Digital coaxial cable: 1m Trompeter Electronics Triax TRC-75-2, with MS Audio ‘Starline' silver-plated RCAs. Mains block: Mark Grant 6-way, modded with Furutech FP-1363R sockets and Furukawa cable. Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW 16.5 record cleaner.

  7. #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Hi Clive,

    It's very good for loosening and getting rid of years of 'baked-on' crud on the dirtiest of records, but a little bit severe for anything else. It's definitely a handy thing to have in one's 'arsenal', as it were, but for normal use I stick to using my DIY formula

    Marco.
    Thanks Marco, sounds useful for a few of my cruddier records. I'll give your homebrew a go now that I need some more rcm fluid.

    Cheers
    TT 1 Trans-Fi Salvation with magnetic bearing + Trans-Fi Terminator T3Pro + London Reference / Transfiguration Spirit III
    TT 2 Garrard 301 with NWA main bearing + OL Encounter mkIII + Ortofon 2M Mono SE
    Digital Fanless i5 Skylake ASUS H110T transport with HDPLEX LPS / Fidelizer / Foobar & Bug Head + Metrum Musette with Regen
    Preamp John Chapman's Slagleformer-based AVC-1
    Power Amp Ladyday 300B SE with gorgeous WE 300Bs alternating with EL84 SE, Quad 306 (Dada upgrade) and Temple Audio Bantam One (integrated)
    Bass Amp & DSP Behringer iNuke NU3000DSP
    Speakers 1 Bastanis Sagarmatha Duo
    Speakers 2 MarkaudioSota Viotti One

  8. #28
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    Need to progress from a Discostat to an RCM

    Okki Nokki, Moth, VPI - recommendation?
    Given Okki Nokki is considerable cheaper, any drawbacks?

    Thanks

    Steven

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    Hi Steven,

    All these machines work, I have had a VPI and have used Okki Nokki and Moth units, but for me the tracking vacuum type are the best and the Loricraft PRCs have the edge.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulStewart View Post
    Hi Steven,

    All these machines work, I have had a VPI and have used Okki Nokki and Moth units, but for me the tracking vacuum type are the best and the Loricraft PRCs have the edge.

    Cheers
    Thanks for the advice.

    I see the Loricraft PR4 has a lot more suck (is that the trade term?), but comes at a steep premium. About 3 times the cost of an Okki Nokki.

    I do note your comments about L'Art du Son - I have an unused bottle that from what you say will stay unused (the drains need unblocking, so it may have a practical use after all).

    Incidentally, did you get the shiny new power supply for your Composer-1? I'm waiting for Tom to glue together a reference Vinyl 1 phono stage.

    Regards

    Steven

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