Car (or bike) Chat!

[dave2010]

All very well, but it won't work when every man and his dog has an ev, unless the powers-that-be pull their finger out re. charging stations. And you know the gov's incentive won't be making evs more affordable, but rather to price petrol car ownership beyond ordinary folks' means.

Petrol and diesel cars really ought to be phased out as soon as possible - the environmental factors are considerable.
I do not really miss the smell of petrol or diesel - did I ever sniff it in while down at the pump? [Glue sniffers anonymous watch out!]. Given the rate of progress, I can see a sensible transition to alternative motive power via plug-in hybrids, though that would depend on how they actually work.

One thing I don't know about the plug-in hybrids is whether they work totally on electric power for (say) 30 miles, or whether they work with a power combined from the ICE and the batteries. Also, if working on ICE, do those also generate spare power to charge the battery for (say) 30 miles?

For example: one scenario for a plug-in hybrid.

1. First 30 miles - EV only. 2. Next 50 miles petrol only. 3. Next 150 miles petrol, but also recharge the batteries up to a 30 mile capacity. 4a. Next 50 miles - petrol only but no battery charging OR 4b. Next 30 miles battery only followed by the final 20 miles on petrol only.

A scenario like that would have advantages for long range travel in regions where charging was sparse or unreliable. In the example above, at step 4 - the user might be given a choice depending on whether charging points were available at the destination or not. If they were then, it would be better environmentally to have an almost empty battery at the destination with no ICE use, but that might increase risks depending on whether petrol/diesel or charging points were available at or near the destination.

I am still unsure about the possible role of hydrogen as a fuel for cars. Environmentally it's damaging if it's not produced in a sustainable way, and there are hardly any hydrogen based cars available. However if hydrogen is available, then I believe that recharging might be easier than electric charging. Also note that the more powerful EVs have considerably more power than most other cars, including many petrol cars - though in the limit petrol heads who like power and burning fossil fuel can still produce and use cars with more power than EVs.

[Macca]

I always liked the smell of petrol.

[CageyH]

Petrol and diesel cars really ought to be phased out as soon as possible - the environmental factors are considerable.
I do not really miss the smell of petrol or diesel - did I ever sniff it in while down at the pump? [Glue sniffers anonymous watch out!]. Given the rate of progress, I can see a sensible transition to alternative motive power via plug-in hybrids, though that would depend on how they actually work.

One thing I don't know about the plug-in hybrids is whether they work totally on electric power for (say) 30 miles, or whether they work with a power combined from the ICE and the batteries. Also, if working on ICE, do those also generate spare power to charge the battery for (say) 30 miles?

For example: one scenario for a plug-in hybrid.

1. First 30 miles - EV only. 2. Next 50 miles petrol only. 3. Next 150 miles petrol, but also recharge the batteries up to a 30 mile capacity. 4a. Next 50 miles - petrol only but no battery charging OR 4b. Next 30 miles battery only followed by the final 20 miles on petrol only.

A scenario like that would have advantages for long range travel in regions where charging was sparse or unreliable. In the example above, at step 4 - the user might be given a choice depending on whether charging points were available at the destination or not. If they were then, it would be better environmentally to have an almost empty battery at the destination with no ICE use, but that might increase risks depending on whether petrol/diesel or charging points were available at or near the destination.

I am still unsure about the possible role of hydrogen as a fuel for cars. Environmentally it's damaging if it's not produced in a sustainable way, and there are hardly any hydrogen based cars available. However if hydrogen is available, then I believe that recharging might be easier than electric charging. Also note that the more powerful EVs have considerably more power than most other cars, including many petrol cars - though in the limit petrol heads who like power and burning fossil fuel can still produce and use cars with more power than EVs.

What about the environmental issues of battery production?

My PHEV has the ability to charge the battery using the ICE, but it burns more fuel in doing so. Not exactly environmentally friendly.
If going on a long journey, the SatNav can be programmed, and the battery usage is saved for the most appropriate times, like going through towns and villages.

In Europe, Ionity have recently changed their pricing to €0.79/min. This makes charging the average EV more expensive than refilling the tank of an ICE. Not great news for the EV.

[walpurgis]

I always liked the smell of petrol.

I knew a guy who sniffed Trichlorethylene. It killed him!

[struth]

I knew a guy who sniffed Trichlorethylene. It killed him!

it would do that in quantity. its a banned substance now. acetone is pretty strong too; a bit like poppers im told although i wouldnt know.

[struth]

What about the environmental issues of battery production?

My PHEV has the ability to charge the battery using the ICE, but it burns more fuel in doing so. Not exactly environmentally friendly.
If going on a long journey, the SatNav can be programmed, and the battery usage is saved for the most appropriate times, like going through towns and villages.

In Europe, Ionity have recently changed their pricing to €0.79/min. This makes charging the average EV more expensive than refilling the tank of an ICE. Not great news for the EV.

phevs are great if you only do low daily mileages for majority of time. you can rarely ever use the engine. i have heard a couple of folk using them that had to put stuff in tank to rejouvinate their petrol as it wasnt getting used.
im getting a full bev, but judging by way things are going it might be a while in coming. i think the dealer keeps selling mine to retail customers to make more money.

[CageyH]

In the colder weather, I start my morning commute on the ICE so that the car is warm, and the windows are clear.
The battery won’t do the full distance now that it is cold and dark.

I have a friend who has an Ampera. It was -22 deg C where he is the other day, and the car would not let him drive electric only, until it was warmer. I am not sure how a BEV will cope with that?

[struth]

In the colder weather, I start my morning commute on the ICE so that the car is warm, and the windows are clear.
The battery won’t do the full distance now that it is cold and dark.

I have a friend who has an Ampera. It was -22 deg C where he is the other day, and the car would not let him drive electric only, until it was warmer. I am not sure how a BEV will cope with that?

It has battery heaters I think. You heat it all up before you unplug and go.
That's my understanding, but you need a home charger I think.

[Zoidburg]

Bought this rather lovely old triumph speed triple last weekend. One owner from new, great condition still standard and not messed about with, 14k, loads of service history.

Should provide plenty of summer smiles next year. IMG_20211205_131015.jpg

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[struth]

very nice bike... is that the 1200cc