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    Join Date: Mar 2009

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    Well dudes. Long weekend, some bits and pieces I had in the garage and an air pump and my protoype / test version is working.
    Won't bore you with the details and at the moment it sounds like a Rega with a cheap Ortofon MM through a Nad 3020 and Mission 700 speakers - that's cos' that's what it is! - My garage system, all-be-it a carpeted and nice cosy garage).

    Cut and smooth the air bearing with 600 grade wet and dry. Might try 1200 and see if there is any difference.



    Bits and pieces coming together - checking arm length and VTA.
    Arm tube is made of an archery alloy arrow - Has tapered inner tube (might be good for resonance but who knows). Carbon tube is also a possibility.
    Headshell and all all other brackets made of 3.5mm alloy sheet or ali angle.
    vertical bearing is Stanley blade in ali channel.



    The air pump - I am using a 1 gallon fuel can as the smoothing reservoir.



    In operation






    I have tested it on 4 lp sides so far without hitch.
    Next step is make an arm lowering mech and install Litz wire when it arrives. Litz wire is supposed to be nice and flexi and of good enough quality.

    More DIY tomorrow

    Could fairly easily knock up a Terminator style one with an under-slung short tone arm and see how that compares.
    Last edited by Magna Audio; 11-04-2009 at 20:32. Reason: Update of photos
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    Nice one looks great Steve! I've heard a couple of decks with Vic's arm and they were both superb.It's a great arm.

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    Thats a great result to get it fully working Steve
    With using angled ali for the horizontal bearing ,I assume its running at a low pressure,do you get any forward and backward movement of the arm,due to the low pressure ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by speedy.steve View Post
    made of an archery alloy arrow - Has tapered inner tube (might be good for resonance but who knows).
    S'good enough for Naim's Aro... so why not!
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    Can't see any forward and backward motion.
    Both sides of the carriage get continuous supply of air of equal pressure. I suppose a resonance could be set up but there would be quite a damping factor in the air pressure and the total moving mass.
    I've read it's much less of a problem then a record that is not round. The duff one I am testing in is a bit out and the whole assembly moves laterally side to side esp on the first track of the disc.
    The air goes through a 5L smoothing tank which stays at arm lift pressure for longer than the record takes to slow down should there be a power cut - so no stylus jump even in that situation.

    I still need to check I am running the right air gap - 50 micron's or so is the recommendation. That's 0.05mm so out with the feeler gauges...
    It's a pretty stable flow and can take an arm load of up to 500grams on the Rena 600 pump I have - could probably get away with a small pump...

    Anyway a total load of around 300 grams is good for damping but this needs to be dialled in with the lugs (ears) once I have it on the main system.

    It's all so adjustable - Lateral and vertical mass.

    I'm working on an arm lift now. Don't fancy hand cueing the lovely new Audio Technica 33PTG I just got
    Once that is done I will run it on the Technic's SL-1210 first on duff disc with Ortofon cart and then move up to the AT.

    Then I'll let you all know how it sound compared to a O.L modded Rega RB250.
    Last edited by Magna Audio; 12-04-2009 at 17:11.
    System: Turntable : SP10 MKII slate plinth, Custom Ebony tonearm board, Arm : Fidelity Research FR64s, Cartridge : SPU Royal N. SUT : Lundahl 1:13. Phonostage : Icon Audio, Streaming RPi/Kali reclocker -> I2S -> DSP XO / Pre / 4 DAC's : WAF Najda, 5 Poweramps : 3 x EL84 SET's, 2 x D class amps on bass channels, Speakers : 5 way front loaded horn system: 2 X Tapped sub 15" LF drivers / 2 X Exponential mid bass 15" drivers / Tractrix 200Hz mid horns with JBL2482's, / Tractrix 550Hz upper wooden horns with factory refurb'd Vitavox S2's / Raal Lazy Ribbons as high frequency tweeters. Wires: good silver or good copper where best suited. DIY RCM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by speedy.steve View Post

    Then I'll let you all know how it sound compared to a O.L modded Rega RB250.
    I've got a quid on it being better (in it's own way)

    how are finding the 'air noise' btw ?
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    Just been making the arm lift. Will have to extend the arm due to the Techy having that sloped platter and also need to change the VTA a fair bit as the platter is lower. Techy will be in the workshop for fitting tomorrow - love this long weekend and fairly carp weather

    Quote Originally Posted by muffinman View Post
    I've got a quid on it being better (in it's own way)

    how are finding the 'air noise' btw ?
    There is virtually no air noise from the air bearing. The pump is another matter - it's not bad if on a carpeted floor but it's not silent. I think a wooden sound damping box will be in order. Can hear it when she's playing and I might be less noticeable tucked under a Tannoy and sitting away from it. It is sited right by me in the workshop.

    Oh well more fun later today - goodness is that the time...
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    Steve, you are speedy! I've followed you here from the Zerogain thread. I hope you do the terminator version - by all accounts it's superior - & give us a comparison against this arm.

    The air pump noise seems to be the Achilles heel of the whole affair. You're using a Rena which are supposedly quiet! I've seen reference to this as one of the quietest around because it's a piston system rather than diaphragm! http://www.medousa.com/en/product/de...sp?prd_ln=lpac I wonder has anybody here tried one?

    Another one I found in researching is this one - again a piston type, out of production but from the UK so might be easy to find for you. If it turned out to be as quiet as it appears in the video then it would also be good to leave it on display: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdhncxI9rUA

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    I put the arm on the SL-1210 today. Not had time to swap carts etc so just ran it up with the Ortofon through the Denon surround sound amp in 2 channel mode in to the Tannoy's - sound's better than the Rega/Ortofon/NAD/Mission but miles off what the AT-33PTG/P75/TVC/Valve amp/Tannoy's regardless of arms sounds.

    Will wait with the 33 PTG on the arm until I get the Litz tone arm wire as the solution I am using now if a bit stiff and gives some problems lateral loading probs. I played about 4 discs without problems today.

    I put the pump under the Tannoy's (they are on low stands - er bricks actually). Even putting it on Foculpods did not help much. Do folk really put up with air pumps in their living space for the quiet hobby of fish?
    I will need to make a sound deadening box or use the now defunct Sat dish cable hole in the wall for the air feed and mains cable and put the damn thing outside in a waterproof box (large ice cream container with some fine wire mesh for breathing on the bottom should do it) That would shut the damn thing out/up!
    That's probably faster and more effective than all the sensible sized sound proofing boxes I can come up with.
    I am lucky in that the exit for the sat cable is down the side of the house we just use for junk storage...

    Those pro air-pump jobbies look expensive- quite normal for our hobby I guess:-)
    Like the lack of sound with those piston ones - Not so quiet on the other Utube clips though - hard to tell / more investigation yes.
    Last edited by Magna Audio; 13-04-2009 at 19:46.
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    Maker of tonearm boards, armpods, Tannoy GRF style speaker cabinets, horn speakers, counterweights and more.
    For more information about my creations and products please click below

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    I too find it amazing that aquarium owners would put up with anything other than a silent pump in their living room. Maybe audiophiles are more discriminating about the intrusiveness of background noise. My wifes' Dell laptop fan drives me to distraction when she has it turned on in the living room. It's quiet but the noise fluctuates & draws attention as a result.

    I have a friend also putting one of these together & he has exactly the same issue with the pump noise - tried every sound deadening trick known & ended up locating it outside the listening room.

    It's a pity as a lot of people can't do this & as a result are put off by this factor. I'm one of these and as a result am researching pumps to try find a solution.

    One suggestion was a refrigerator compressor (which are quiet < 30dB) mounted in a sound box but I wonder if there's enough air flow from one & how long one would last without the lubrication that normally circulates in the fridge coolant liquid.

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