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    Quote Originally Posted by 6L6 View Post
    I'm honestly a bit disappointed to hear that the tracking prereg didn't make very much difference over the referenced 317, but not entirely surprised either... The short-term wall variance is being well handled by the 'big, dumb' approach of the huge caps and filter resistance in the PSU box.
    Well I guess diminishing returns had to kick in at some point...

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    When I built that power supply for the DAC I tried a standard LM317, a TPR1, a TPR2 and a Super Teddy Reg
    The STR and the TPR2 was clearly better to me and I ended up using the Avondale TPR2 as it was a bit cleaner.
    I would expect a DAC to be far more sensitive to tweeks in the power supply than a turntable ?

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    Difficult to quantify...
    Sources: Modified SL1200 MK2, Salas folded RIAA, Phonoclone, VSPS, Shelter 501 MK2, Modified Pioneer P6D6 as transport, Shigaclone transport, Peter Daniel NOS DAC.
    Amplification: Custom 211 Monoblocks, Electrocompaniet AW120, Audio Research VS110, Gainclone
    Loudspeakers: Tannoy Turnberry, PBN Montana EP Signature
    Cables/stands: Tempflex ribbon and Twinax cables
    Other: Promitheus Signature Passive Attenuator, Custom JFET - transformer preamp.

  4. #134
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    By the way, what also made a very distinct improvement was removing the old reg parts.

    R1 – 5K6
    R2 – 6K8
    R3 – 2K7
    R4 – 470R
    R5 – 470R

    Q2 – 2SD637
    Q3 – 2SD637

    C2 – 33uf 25V

    D3 – 5v1 Zener diode

    These parts are in parallel to the reg/load and even if they do not perform any function any more, they still mess with impedances, produce noise and who knows what else.

    Removing them gave a far softer sound... but not in a bad way... more like less harsh.

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    You pulled all those items? Cool.

    I was going to at least remove the silicon the next time I opened everything up. It's good to hear that there's a benefit.
    SP-10Mk2a, Graham 2.2 tonearm. SL-1200, Graham 2.2 tonearm, AT-150mlx, Benz-Scheu Glider. Jim & Ken Super DC PSU, Oil well bearing, Acromat, Isonoes, strobe lamp switched. Pass Labs Pearl 2. Aleph J amplifier. F6 Amplifier. Nelson Pass Burning Amplifier BA-3. Pass BA-PP linestage, miniDSP 4x10, Linkwitz Labs LXmini speakers, Sony SS-M7 speakers.

    DIY In progress - Syclotron Red Light district valve amp, ZenMod "Iron pre" autoformer jfet preamp, SYclotron 'His Master's Noise' valve phonostage. And about 2-3 other projects in various states at any time.

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    OK next step is complete.

    I removed R304 and D301 and in the zener's place I installed an extra LM317 psu with two red leds as a reference for 4,95V output.

    I don' t know where to begin describing the size of the improvement...

    Instrument positioning (width and depth) and separation is boosted tremendously. At the same time, all instruments have their own quite distinct harmonics, cracklings, textures and whatever else you can imagine. You can just select which one you want to follow, hearing every little movement of the player, and you can do it effortlessly as it intertwines with the rest of them.

    At the same time, timing has also been improved very much. Bass lines are very clear and they have a very distinct kick timing. You can very specifically hear if and when the players were synchronized or if one missed it for a split second joining in just a bit after the bass drum.

    Voices also have very deep and detailed textures. I never had noticed that Knopfler had such a textured and awesomely rough voice.

    Overall just a WOW moment for the SL1200
    So happy I am part of this

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    The next step is ready too. I have a 317 with 150R biasing 4 green leds as the reference, giving a steady 9.37V for IC301.

    I will not install it right away though. I will leave it a few days like that to settle first. I need some time to get used to the sound too...

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    I also installed the 9.4V reg for IC301

    It did not make any significant improvement. Rather borderline psychological. But I have to say that this spot is supposed to need super stable regulation, so I might have to add the tracking prereg too.

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    I like the reg so much that I decided to make some pcbs too.

    Here are the prototype images... I hope to have them in less than a month...

    The reg
    Please note the sense ground terminal, which will allow the connection of the reference directly to the load, allowing the reg to compensate for the effects of the output cables too (parasitic resistance, capacitance etc)
    reg.jpg

    the tracking prereg, which is designed to sit next to the reg if required.
    tpr.jpg

    If there are no issues, the final pcbs will be about half this size, to allow mounting them in really confined spaces, like... I don' t know... below a platter?
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    Dimmy - Beautiful!!!

    When you get another run of those made, make an extra set for me, I'll gladly pay your cost and shipping. I would love to have some compact PCB like that.
    SP-10Mk2a, Graham 2.2 tonearm. SL-1200, Graham 2.2 tonearm, AT-150mlx, Benz-Scheu Glider. Jim & Ken Super DC PSU, Oil well bearing, Acromat, Isonoes, strobe lamp switched. Pass Labs Pearl 2. Aleph J amplifier. F6 Amplifier. Nelson Pass Burning Amplifier BA-3. Pass BA-PP linestage, miniDSP 4x10, Linkwitz Labs LXmini speakers, Sony SS-M7 speakers.

    DIY In progress - Syclotron Red Light district valve amp, ZenMod "Iron pre" autoformer jfet preamp, SYclotron 'His Master's Noise' valve phonostage. And about 2-3 other projects in various states at any time.

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