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    I reckon you will be pleasantly surprised by the DVD using RCA digi output.
    Only pain is the disc handling - slow to load up and perhaps skip tracks...
    I ran our £29 Alba DVD player up against the Teac VRDS T1 using a 7510 6/4 and the different was fairly minimal really.
    I've since moved on to a DPA Enlightenment Dac now and not done that test again. Perhaps I should...
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    See you run an SL1210 and a P3 side by side, a comparison I've never directly made. What do you think ?

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    Sorry for the hi-jack. Nope 33PTG not arrived yet. Hope before easter or I'll be ...... off.
    SL-1210 eats the Rega alive TBH. More of everything in the right places if you know what I mean. The Rega sound is ok - some love it dearly but the SL has much more class and detail in spades. This is with the same arm / cart and same platform to stand on so a very direct comparison.
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    I think it's been said elsewhere just how cheap it is these days to implement digital to a fair standard and the diminishing returns curve is very steep indeed from a fairly modest figure.

    By todays standards, I reckon the CD52 IISE would be, in standard form and assuming it's still running, rather soft and bland and as for the hyped up CD63 KI Sig? Gawd, that was a harsh one if you got the matching bits wrong (interesting, because the original CD63 sounded very smooth and well behaved in a top end system I heard one in once).

    If the el cheapo drive doesn't work out, have a look at current Cambridge or older Arcam players as transports at least. An Alpha 5 has a good transport which tracks very well and Avondale can supply refurbished mechs for a good while yet, as well as being able to breathe fresh life into the original circuit.
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    If you change your mind and want a CD player, I suggest you grab this one quick before someone else does:

    http://hifiwigwam.com/view_topic.php...312&forum_id=5



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    Quote Originally Posted by DSJR View Post
    I think it's been said elsewhere just how cheap it is these days to implement digital to a fair standard and the diminishing returns curve is very steep indeed from a fairly modest figure.

    By todays standards, I reckon the CD52 IISE would be, in standard form and assuming it's still running, rather soft and bland and as for the hyped up CD63 KI Sig? Gawd, that was a harsh one if you got the matching bits wrong (interesting, because the original CD63 sounded very smooth and well behaved in a top end system I heard one in once).

    If the el cheapo drive doesn't work out, have a look at current Cambridge or older Arcam players as transports at least. An Alpha 5 has a good transport which tracks very well and Avondale can supply refurbished mechs for a good while yet, as well as being able to breathe fresh life into the original circuit.
    i have a cd 63 mkii ki and that i have to agree it is a pretty harsh sounding bit o kit with the wrong kit. the 7520 has made mine sound pretty good though

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    That sony looks really nice. But, as I discussed with Evelyne, better keep my ducks in a line. I have to keep in the right frame of mind to deal with UPS. so first attempt is the dig out of the DVD player.
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    Have to agree with Hamish and Steve regarding Transports. IMO provided the receiving DAC has a top reclocking circuit and top jitter control, then almost any modest clean digital source will sound similar. Unfortunately many DAC players do tamper with their digital out signal – could be for 5.1 type surround sound – I don’t know why? I’d back a current A$100 Sony DVD linked to a A$200 Behringer SRC to equal almost any A$3000 transport today. Then the real sonic difference comes from the DAC you choose to use.

    Regarding the CD 63 mkii KIS, I bought the first one available in my town and I still have it (currently boxed). In its day, 13-14 years ago, it had no competition within two to three times its price bracket. What it did, at that time, was show your system up for what it was. If your system was poor then that’s what it sounded like. If your system was good then it sounded really good. And most good audio gear behaves like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReachtheSky View Post
    Unfortunately many DAC players do tamper with their digital out signal – could be for 5.1 type surround sound – I don’t know why? I’d back a current A$100 Sony DVD linked to a A$200 Behringer SRC to equal almost any A$3000 transport today. Then the real sonic difference comes from the DAC you choose to use.
    There's a setting in one of the menus where it has to be set to PCM to pass 2ch. Stereo. Since I don't use 5.1, it's already been set this way.
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    Mark Grant 2,5m 75 oham coax between the Panasonic HDD/DVD Recorder and the StanDac (TC7510 Mk6/3) and the results are very good.

    The UPS story has had an up and a down. They've collected the player for the damages claim, but they've sent me a bill for the COD charges that I should never have to pay because the shipping was prepaid. The fat lady doesn't even know she's an opera singer ....
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