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  1. #331
    Join Date: Mar 2017

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    I am struggling whit remote PSU positive side is oscillating like mad
    I just don't have the skill to cure that Hfe 385 +- 0.5 % 470P 2.7 N and 47 P + 2SK 170 8.5 mA and 365R
    All caps in place 470 uF Panasonic FM and 100 uF 10 uF silmic and crapy 100 uF whit 15 R tracks are so much shorter than original PCB still

  2. #332
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    I boxed this one up today, it's going to Wales.

    I can crack on and finish Jochim's.

    Sandro, what freq is it oscillating at? Have you tried putting the decouplers on the heatsink? 0.47uF film cap direct onto the underside of the board, from the emitter to ground on the PNP and the NPN on the outside of the heatsink. Essentially they do the same job as the electrolytics on the psu input (which knocks put cabel inductance effects) but they're local, and sized to mop up HF in mHz range.



    Show me what you've got.
    Kuzma Stabi/S 12", (LP12-bastard) AC, USB controlled bi-phase Class A regenerator psu. Benz LP, Paradise (phonostage). MB-Pro, Mdac, Muse 200, Yamaha NS1000m

  3. #333
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    It is on the remote home brew boards main thing I try to do is to put the heat sink's outside the box
    Will get scope/ pictures later on.
    I have 47P on C B of Q105

    you suggest 47nF on emitter of Q103 and Q203 ?
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  4. #334
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    Damn.. but that thing seems to include More parts than a TV set.
    Clearly KISS wasn't a consideration.
    My audio bits: Thorens / diy phono, CD/dvd player(s), diy pre, F6, Tannoy Golds in my boxes / my xovers, and of course all strung together with basic diy Wires
    Lots of Cd's, yet more audio files, a couple of hundred semi worn Lps.

  5. #335
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    Sandro, yup 47n on emitters. If you've got oscillation coming in around 4-7mhz this should mop it up.

    Danilo, I think it's fair to say that sound quality was the only consdieration with the Paradise. ;-)
    Kuzma Stabi/S 12", (LP12-bastard) AC, USB controlled bi-phase Class A regenerator psu. Benz LP, Paradise (phonostage). MB-Pro, Mdac, Muse 200, Yamaha NS1000m

  6. #336
    Join Date: Mar 2017

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    Sorry no pictures
    I messed up the boards ...
    I am not going to give up but loads of things going on Moving home soon
    That 47n on emitters would point out problems whit the long tracks on the PCB maybe?
    Agree whit Simon the R2 I built was populated in a rush before all the little tweaks where put in place and it did sound really good I am taking 10 times more building a second one
    As mentioned I got a fair bit going on so slight change of plan for now I am going to stick to building a standard R3 version whit all the little tweaks
    Master plan has not changed it just going to take a little bit more time
    The Paradise is better than most already but I am sure that it could be even better

  7. #337
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    WP_20170428_15_54_42_Pro.jpgGot same presents today (no not really about 140) just a few resistors for the RIAA
    Well worth it for R2 Paradise IMO
    R3 is going to be super
    May be not comercialy viable certainly I would like to listen to the Luxman 4K plus and compare
    Any fellow nutter In Liverpool
    I know there must be one or 2 considering that Shieffield got probably more than 30

  8. #338
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    Slow progress on the R3 boards
    PSU's working
    RIAA fitted and matched to +-2 Homes 5 Pf
    Will need to solder the transistors those matched to +- 1% or better
    But moving home in the next few weeks so is going to be a while (probably the best improvement to my FiFi
    My SME V is going to be late Been waiting over 3 months for it .

    Simon could you let me know where You get the transistors from please
    Can any one make any sense out of this
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Quotation Number: QP23492
    Customer Reference: RE Micross Quote Request Form Submission

    Thank you for your recent enquiry, in response to which we have pleasurein submitting our quotation as follows:

    Line Item Device Type Qty Unit Price Delivery
    1 Description
    Electrical screening of BC327-40
    Micross to Procure parts-see note 2
    Parameter to be screened at 25C
    Hfe with a Gain of 400 10%, as per note 3
    Manuf. ON SEMI
    Date code: 1308
    Lead Free/ RoHS
    100

    500
    9.52 EA
    6.52 EA
    4-5 Weeks
    2 Description
    Electrical screening of BC337-40
    Micross to Procure parts-see note 2
    Parameter to be screened at 25C
    Hfe with a Gain of 400 10%, as per note 4
    Manuf. ON SEMI
    Date code: 0521
    Leaded
    100

    500
    9.52 EA
    6.52 EA
    4-5 Weeks
    3 Part mark passed parts (optional) Per 0.25 EA

    Notes
    1. This quotation is for procurement ofparts and Hfe testing only and parts are to be screened for a Gain of 400 10%.
    2. Micross will supply best yield from150 devices for a requirement of 100 finished parts or, Micross will supplybest yield from 750 if 500 finished parts are required. If no devices fall within the customer requirement there will be a MLV charge of 550 for each line item 1 and2.
    3. Parametersto be tested for BC327-40:


    4. Parametersto be tested for BC337-40:


    5. Micross is unable to deliver partswith the original manufacturers C of C
    6. Pricing quoted is for the totalquantity of any part placed by itself at one time on one purchase order, withdelivery not to exceed twelve months from the date of order placement.
    7. Purchase orders placed for thisrequirement are NCNR
    8. Please note for customers own productMicross limits it's liability to the value of the wafer processing servicesprovided only.


    As I understand they will charge 1900 for 100 BC337-40 and 100 BC327-40 but if they don't manage to match them they will only charge 1100
    Got a few thousands of the little bastard that don't
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  9. #339
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    It all sounds a bit mad. BC327s are common transistors that cost 4 pence each when you buy 100 of them. These guys will select ones with Hfe of 400 and charge you 9.52 each for them. However, the usual design approach is to use negative feedback to eliminate component variations so the particular Hfe of any one transistor doesn't really matter.

  10. #340
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    You are rather missing the point.

    100% Analogue

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