Open Minded vs Experienced & Levels of Interest

[Marco]

Mark (YNWaN).

Marco.

[alb]

Confucious say...

Open mindedness comes from life and experience.

[Steve Toy]

experience here suggests otherwise

[YNWaN]

Mark still holds firm on things having to fit in with his theory else he won't investigate them in practice.

Bees can't fly!

Grammar aside - that's where you are wrong. Today I spent two hours (a bit more I think) experimenting with putting foam under my interconnects and mains cables. I have tried this in the past but in the interests of open minded investigation I tried it all again (a bit more thoroughly this time). Forums are full of individuals who will only believe in an improvement if it can be proved with an oscilloscope; I am certainly not one of these people. However, I also don't believe everything that I am told - I try it first, if it works for me I use it. If it does not work I do not use it and if I hear no evidence to support it I disbelieve, until I hear further evidence.

I would also add that I don't discuss other forum members in threads in which they are not participating. Gentlemen, you believe whatever you like, it makes no difference to me and I am quite happy; but you won't catch me writing snide comments about you behind your back, please reciprocate.

[Steve Toy]

I am glad you replied Mark.

I will respond later.

[Marco]

Indeed. I'm glad that Mark has responded, too. Mark, I apologise for any remark of mine which you felt was snide.

We just like people to have the gumption to stand up and defend their opinions but also be willing to admit that their opinions may need reassessing at some point when new information becomes available which renders their previous beliefs obsolete, instead of stubbornly thinking that they know all there is to know about the subject concerned and giving up when their opinions are challenged and the going gets tough, like unfortunately we've seen some people do today.

Basically, all we ask is for some open-mindedness to be shown towards opinions which are contrary to your own, which you have demonstrated, and therefore you deserve respect for that

Today I spent two hours (a bit more I think) experimenting with putting foam under my interconnects and mains cables. I have tried this in the past but in the interests of open minded investigation I tried it all again (a bit more thoroughly this time).

So what happened then this time?

Marco.

[Steve Toy]

Mark,

My comments made comparing to the logic that bumble bees cannot fly were with reference to the following you said on the Interconnects touching the wall ??thread in the Artist's Palette:

I am well aware of the mechanism you believe to be at work. I hesitated from directly making a criticism, but as you insist; I have 'thought' about the mechanism you describe and frankly I would urge you to 'think about it' a little more. If you do, I am sure you will realise how tiny the energy levels are that you describe.

OK, re.the issue of discussing forum members in other threads, I appreciate the fact that you may have missed my comments here and therefore not have been in a position to respond to them.

However, we have three threads running on this very topic, including the poll, so the likelihood of you seeing my comment about you (or rather in response to something you said) was a near certainty. In any case, it was the particular argument of yours above I was refering to not you as an individual, so I felt no real offence could have been caused to you other than the small possibility of you missing the chance to reply.

Putting my admin hat on for a sec, we see no wrong at all in fiercely attacking arguments but we obviously draw a line at attacking or the individual behind them. I do not believe for one second that anyone on any of these threads has crossed this line.

I'd like to bring to your attention this post I wrote here on the poll thread if you are conducting any microphony experiments:

http://theartofsound.net/forum/showt...?t=2030&page=4 Post #32.

[kalozois100]

you could probably draw a graph of this :-

Open Mindedness(x) vs Experience(y) vs Level of Interest(z)

but I'm not sure what it will tell us

I have read the threads after this one with great interest. As well the x,y,z above i think there is the major factor of cost. I have the same components for 18 years and have not changed (turtable, amp, speakers) not because they are great but because i was never in a position to afford upgrades. I deeply value other members experiences in upgrades and tweeking. i am new to this forum and is the only one i write in . Someone buys a car and then changes it every 2 years but the other hangs onto his for 15. Both moves have positive and negative aspects. Alot of the equipment other members refer to I ve never heard before because i decided i bought a system and got on with listening to music on it and didnt keep up to date with new offerings from manufacturers. If I have come accross as arrogant in my posts it wasn't intended and i appologise for that . i could have had upgrades to power supplies , arms , stylus, circuit boards amps pre amps, speakers the list is endless and i respect those who have gone down that path and used their money wisely. However im not going to feel bad for leaving my system be for all those years. For me it would have mean't sacrifices such as world travel, photograghy,eating out and being a home owner. -experiences that hold my hand when I'm relaxed and listening to music and the sound reminds me of a happy time. Its all a matter of relativity:- improvements=costs = A big grin because audio is so much better= missing out on something else.
I can understand the going round in circles comment in the first thread and thats its fustrating for senior members but its a phenomenon that's unavoidable if you are to accept new members to this forum - Probably What i said above has already been said a dozen times before. I just haven't come across it as yet.
I'm i open minded? I think so but only as far as my budget allows. It was within the financial boundaries( which i set personally and is unique to each aos member) to upgrade the tc7510 to mod21 part 1 and 2 but not to replace it with say a chord 64!!
As for misunderstandings, look at it positively as say working together to build a bridge from one side to another. Initially there is distortion in the form miscommunication until both parties empathises with each others ideas, feelings on the task in hand.
I just wish i could give back to this forum as much as it has to me but thats impossible because the sum of all the aos members knowledge and experiences has created another entity for all to experience and something to be proud of........wisdom.

[Prince of Darkness]

Bees can't fly!

http://www.news.cornell.edu/releases..._wang.hrs.html