That depends on their relative performance.
That depends on their relative performance.
SS
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Indeed, and remember that we're talking here about pure silver cables, which are much more expensive. Also, remember that the 428 Phono cable I've currently got costs only £124, for a 1m length, and based on what I've heard, it's 90% as good as the Furutech AG-12, costing £450!
I'm hopeful that the 432.5 phono at £219, for a 1m length, plus the extra for the 'fancy plugs' I've ordered, will give me the missing 10% and still come in at less than the AG-12. One observation I'd also make is that, based on this test, the Furutech is worth every penny of its cost, as so far, it's not easily bettered by its less expensive counterparts, which shows that one is not simply paying for a 'fancy badge'!
The SPD-4 is comparable, price-wise, with the Furutech (with standard connectors) but I suspect, of a higher level, sonically. However, we'll see what happens when it arrives. Therefore, if you're looking for a top-quality, high value for money silver tonearm cable, then both the 428 Phono and 432.5 Phono (with or without 'posh plugs') are the potential 'giant-killers'....
Yannis has sent me the following, in order to provide more clarity:
Marco.The 428Phono has solid conductors and Litz cable geometry
The 423.5Phono-Litz has Litz conductors and Star-Quad cable geometry
The SPD-4 uses Litz conductors with multi gauge strands and has a Star-Quad cable geometry.
None of the cables that you currently have or expecting to receive is a hybrid. They are pure OCC silver.
The SPD-4 in its original design is a hybrid because it combines solid OCC silver, Copper and Mundorf silver/gold strands. However, since both Andy and you have ordered the SPD-4 design but in a pure silver version it cannot be called a hybrid any longer.
Some details for the 428 can be found here: www.back-promo.co.uk/html/428phono.html
Details for the 423.5Phono-Litz here: www.back-promo.co.uk/html/423_5phono_litz.html
Some notes about Litz in general and about our Litz conductors are available here: www.back-promo.co.uk/html/litz.html
In general, the SPD-4 is not a cable that we have available for sale. Our SPD (Special Project Designs) are part of an ongoing development process. Although they have various advantages over our standard designs, these come at a much higher proportionally cost and therefore we do not consider them as the best value for money options and we are relatively reluctant to encourage first time buyers to purchase them over the internet.
When designing a cable the options are unlimited. Constantly working on new designs allows us to improve or achieve different balances in audio cables. However, materialising some ideas often involves extensive costs that cannot be justified by the minor improvements or differences in the performance of a cable (which often is down to the personal preferences). In such occasions we believe that we should not advertise these products.
We recently worked on a cable (without taking into account the design or the evaluation process) for over 300hrs. That was simply to produce 1 unit and each additional would take almost as much time. Despite the cost of the materials, such a cable could only sell at a very unreasonable price simply because of the work it requires in order to be produced. We do work on new designs and ideas all the time, and this is the beauty in what we do. This does not mean that all of our work has a commercial scope.
I hope that the above was of some help.
Regards
Yannis
Main System
Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.
Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.
Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.
CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.
Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.
Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.
Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.
Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.
Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.
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I remember that we connected up the AG-12 for a while to your deck (I think my arm wouldn't take the 90° connector on your loan cable) on my system. It sounded mighty impressive, as does all silver when done properly. Is this still your reference, Marco, against which you are comparing other cables?
Do you now have a version with straight-in connector? This is what I would like to hear, compared with the Yannis, the Dynavector and, possibly, the experimental TQ* if I receive it on time.
I'd like to hear them all and come to a decision as the last piece of my signal/speaker cable renewal project.
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* I must stress that this cable is not coming from Tellurium Q themselves, it is an experiment with my dealer to see if the Phono version of their cable can be made to work.
Hi Martin,
Yup!I remember that we connected up the AG-12 for a while to your deck (I think my arm wouldn't take the 90° connector on your loan cable) on my system. It sounded mighty impressive, as does all silver when done properly. Is this still your reference, Marco, against which you are comparing other cables?
The AG-12 I have has a straight-type DIN plug, as indeed do all the other tonearm cables I'll be testing, from Jannis.Do you now have a version with straight-in connector? This is what I would like to hear, compared with the Yannis, the Dynavector and, possibly, the experimental TQ* if I receive it on time.
I should have the AG-12, and both the 428 and 432.5 Phono Litz cables for our bake-off, a week this weekend. The comparisons should indeed be fun between those, the TQ and the Dynavector!
Marco.
Main System
Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.
Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.
Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.
CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.
Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.
Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.
Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.
Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.
Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.
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The SPD-4 allows you to see more deeply "into" the soundstage. Bass has better clarity and better definition and more "oomph". Vocals however appear a little thinner than what i'm used to with the TYR. Microdetail has increased and my systems ability to be clinical and dispel poor recordings seems to have increased. Soundstage is bigger and I'm hearing more seperation between instruments, complex prog rock sections can be followed with greater ease. I think I need more time for the cable and SR7 to bed down before I can really give a detailed analysis.
SS
CD Teac VRDS25X(Audiotuned) DECK 1210 Mat Crystal Audio Mods MN Base/Bearing/Platter+Ebony armboard Feet Isonoe PSU Paul Hynes SR7EHD-27XL/DCSXL Ag DC lead/3 Stage Regs/Recap PCB+No Pitch/Strobe/Light ARM SME V(Kondo Ag Rewire&Tags) MC Cadenza Black FGS CABLES Arm Yannis SPD-4 IC Yannis 222 Litz+Ag bullets Power WAR PRE ATC SCA2 SPEAKERS ATC 50ASL STANDS Atacama PHONO Sugden Masterclass PA4 SUT Ortofon ST80SE POWER PSAudio P10
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I'm Tristan.
Any update guys?
Hi Tristan,
Still waiting for the second cable to arrive - should be here by Friday. I'll let you know
Marco.
Main System
Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.
Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.
Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.
CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.
Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.
Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.
Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.
Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.
Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.
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I'm getting near desperate for a new upgrade arm cable i'm just wondering weither to make one up myself!