The Great Denon DL103 Debate...

[David Price]

Marco - I am still not sure what Noel's 'howler' is? Is it because he mentioned the DL103 without prompting? Is that what you mean? If so, possibly he had just been reading your posts on this very forum.

Not sure if this is evidence of anything to be honest. There are various other bits of kit that have a cult following on forums that he doesn't rate - but I'm not sure if I dare to mention them now in case it incurs your wrath! Don't go thinking the DL103 is NK's sole bugbear; I assure you it's not.

By the way, in the next issue of HFW, Noel slags off Triumph TR7s - he's as dismissive as he is about DL103s, and I have one and I'm not happy either now. He's upset me too! I'm off to www.forum.triumphtr7.com/default.asp to start a thread. I'm reading this as a deliberate attempt to dismiss old classic cars in favour of moderns, possibly with ulterior motives!

(Just kidding - well, almost!)

David

[kt66]

I REALLY hate TR7s......but I'm not going to tell you why. You love 1200s David, so have you tried a 103 on one? will you?

[Marco]

LOL

David, I'd quite like to keep this light-hearted, too. I think it's obvious if you read the post that Noel made a bit of a 'boo-boo', but we'll leave it at that because it's obvious to everyone else who's read it!

Ok, let's move forward... I would ask:

A) Do you think that it's acceptable and good business practice, in terms of the magazine, to refer to items of a reader's system as "tat"?

B) Could you list the last system you personally used (every item please) to assess the 103 and advise how long ago this occurred?

Cheers!

Marco.

[Prince of Darkness]

The reason I don't like it is that, ermm, I don't think it sounds very good!

:-)

Ermm... will this do?

David

The reason I like it is that, ermm, I think it sounds very good!
Oh, and it's cheap!

[sastusbulbas]

C'mon,

Cant we let Dave have his opinion on a public forum? Does he have to cross his t's and dot the i's just because he wrights stuff in a magazine?

Currently I feel all people are doing is alienating exactly the sort of members more forums should feel privileged to converse with.

In my opinion you can see such alienation starting over in Critic due to "better than though" attitudes, can we not rise above this, or will we end up no better than others?

[Marco]

It might be fairly cheap to buy, Kevin, but it takes a fair bit of expense (in terms of optimising its performance with the appropriate ancillaries) to hear it at its *absolute* best. I've spent £1000s doing just that to get the (quite incredible) results I've obtained

However, even simply slapped on any available T/T or tonearm I'd rather listen to it than some, bland, soulless, non-descript modern Ortofon!!

Marco.

[Marco]

C'mon,

Cant we let Dave have his opinion on a public forum? Does he have to cross his t's and dot the i's just because he wrights stuff in a magazine?

Currently I feel all people are doing is alienating exactly the sort of members more forums should feel privileged to converse with.

In my opinion you can see such alienation starting over in Critic due to "better than though" attitudes, can we not rise above this, or will we end up no better than others?

Steve,

David is free here to speak as he wishes. The "tat" comment was something written by Noel keywood in HFW this month in response to a reader's letter. Mr P seems to be rather enjoying the exchange. If not, he can say so and I will simply lock the thread.

David, how would you like me to proceed? The ball's in your court

Marco.

[sastusbulbas]

I myself was a big fan of Ortofons, mainly due to their even top to bottom balance and reasonable output.

I still have a Rohmann that has lost it's diamond...sigh...

[SPS]

I would be nice to know your 'kit' david..

i can see where your coming from regarding the 103, i quite like it.. but would not buy one.. i dont think..

To me its the cartridge equiverlant of some of the fostex drivers..
I'd better put my tin helmet on now..

mind you.. i have just bought £200 worth of different makes of stylus for a very elderly m3d.. and don't regret it at all...
most of my system is from the 60's or before.. maybe the 103 is a little to modern for me..

my corner ribbons would go well on the 'olde world' section
they are rare...

steve shiels

[Marco]

I myself was a big fan of Ortofons, mainly due to their even top to bottom balance and reasonable output.

I still have a Rohmann that has lost it's diamond...sigh...

Yes the Rohmann was quite nice, but the only Ortofons I've really liked are the classic SPU (various versions) and the SL-15. Haden Boardman has got excellent taste

Marco.