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  1. #11
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    Hi Jerry,

    What did you find wrong with the Hornings, incidentally? Did you try them with valves? Just curious as I've always wondered how they'd sound driven by a nice P/P valve amp

    Marco.
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    Modified Technics SL-1210MK5G/Mike New high-precision bearing & baseplate/Mike New ETP platter/Bruil record weight/Nagaoka GL602 crystal T/T mat. Paul Hynes SR7EHD PSU (plus regulator modules)/DCSXL pure-silver DC lead. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm/'Speedy Steve' custom-made Ebony armboard. Yannis Tome 423.5 Phono Silver-Litz tonearm cable, with Furutech CF-DIN(R) and Eichmann silver Bullet Plugs. Cartridges: Denon DL-S1 in AT MG-10 headshell with AT-6106 Quattro Hybrid lead-wire. Denon DL-103C1 in '103U' headshell with AT-609 silver lead-wire. Vintage Denon DL-103AU in AT-Ti15ANV Titanium Headshell. Shure M55E in Denon PCL-300 headshell with 6N silver lead-wire. Shure original USA SC35C. Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 transport/DAC. Raspberry Pi-3 Model B and IQaudio Pi-DAC+/Paul Hynes SR3DR-05 linear PSU/Williams Audio NAS linear PSU. Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X preamp. Stereo Coffee LDR. Head-amp: Paul Hynes design/SR5 PSU. Also modified Lentek. Tube Distinctions 50W Class A P/P Copper amp with cryo-treated Tung Sol KT150s. Speakers: 'Lockwood Majors', using 15" Tannoy Monitor Golds, modified with bespoke crossovers. Also Celestion Ditton 15XRs. Stands: Mana Acoustics (non-magnetic stainless steel 'clones’). Hi-Fi Racks Podium T/T wall shelf. Sony ST-5055L tuner. Cables: Furukawa EE/F-S 2mm & 2.6mm solid-core mains leads, fitted with Furutech FI-50 IECs and FI-1363Rs. Stereo interconnects: Sommer Carbokab 225 (with silver-plated MS Audio non-metallic POM RCAs). Speaker cable: VDH 'The Wind' Hybrid II. Digital coaxial cable: 1m Trompeter Electronics Triax TRC-75-2, with MS Audio ‘Starline' silver-plated RCAs. Mains block: Mark Grant 6-way, modded with Furutech FP-1363R sockets and Furukawa cable. Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW 16.5 record cleaner.

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    Hi Marco
    The Hornings were just too coloured for my musical tastes, and not large scale enough for classical music, and not deep enough or taut enough in the bass. After a few days all I was hearing was the colourations!

    Yup, tried valves - Leak Stereo 20 and my OTLs. The OTLs didn't sound good at all - but the Zeuses were 6 ohm nominal dipping to 4 ohms - and OTLs really don't like that sort of load at all. But even the Leak was easily outshone by my MF A370. Not what I had expected.

    I guess I am just more of a 'monitor' sort of a guy ... I doubt I'll be repeating the Horning-type route again. I can hear why some folks love their Fostex and Lowther drivers, but they are not for me.
    Jerry

    Main systems:
    Spotify Premium streaming, DAC3 NOS TDA1543. Pure Sound L10 preamp, Pass X150 power amo. Speakers: MBL 116F. Cryo Silver i/c & Western Electric 16GA spkr cables. ProJect and Nordost Magus power cables

    Headphones: Fostex T50RP mk3, AKG 551, JBL Synchros S700, B&O H6, PSB M4U-1, B&O Form 2 & 2a and Sony XBA-H1 & SoundMagic E50 IEM headphones

    2nd system: Spotify Premium streaming / Pioneer DV-535, Audiolab MDAC, Black Cat power amp, Chario Syntar 100T speakers. Headphones: Beyerdynamic DT-150, SoundMagic E10 IEM headphones

    3rd system: Portable CD player, Kinter MA-180 T amp, Klegg Symphony 102 speakers

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    My latest toy arrived yesterday ... took a while to get it motoring as it has smaller than usual output pins and my headshell tags required careful squeezing to close them up a little ... but now it's really singing

    Jerry

    Main systems:
    Spotify Premium streaming, DAC3 NOS TDA1543. Pure Sound L10 preamp, Pass X150 power amo. Speakers: MBL 116F. Cryo Silver i/c & Western Electric 16GA spkr cables. ProJect and Nordost Magus power cables

    Headphones: Fostex T50RP mk3, AKG 551, JBL Synchros S700, B&O H6, PSB M4U-1, B&O Form 2 & 2a and Sony XBA-H1 & SoundMagic E50 IEM headphones

    2nd system: Spotify Premium streaming / Pioneer DV-535, Audiolab MDAC, Black Cat power amp, Chario Syntar 100T speakers. Headphones: Beyerdynamic DT-150, SoundMagic E10 IEM headphones

    3rd system: Portable CD player, Kinter MA-180 T amp, Klegg Symphony 102 speakers

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    Nice picture, Jerry. How does it sound?
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    Hi Jerry,

    I see you have a Behringer Ultra Curve. Did you use this with the RTA Room Correction and what did you think of it??

    Cheers
    ~Paul~

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primalsea View Post
    Hi Jerry,

    I see you have a Behringer Ultra Curve. Did you use this with the RTA Room Correction and what did you think of it??

    Cheers
    Hi Paul

    It's a Behringer DEQ2496. Yes, I've used it as a room correction device and I think very highly of it ... but only when used in pure digital mode - the ADC and DAC aren't bad but not that good, either.

    It's out of circuit at the moment as everything sounds quite well balanced. But it came into its own when I had a pair of Dali Skyline 1000 open baffle ribbon hybrids. Their 12 inch open baffle woofer was giving +15dB bass peaks in my room - but the DEQ2496 sorted that out very nicely.

    Most recently I was using it to increase the roll-off of a REL Strata 5 subwoofer. For my tastes ALL subs roll off way too slowly into the mids, and the Behringer was a neat and easy way to knock 30dB off the sub's midrange output!
    Jerry

    Main systems:
    Spotify Premium streaming, DAC3 NOS TDA1543. Pure Sound L10 preamp, Pass X150 power amo. Speakers: MBL 116F. Cryo Silver i/c & Western Electric 16GA spkr cables. ProJect and Nordost Magus power cables

    Headphones: Fostex T50RP mk3, AKG 551, JBL Synchros S700, B&O H6, PSB M4U-1, B&O Form 2 & 2a and Sony XBA-H1 & SoundMagic E50 IEM headphones

    2nd system: Spotify Premium streaming / Pioneer DV-535, Audiolab MDAC, Black Cat power amp, Chario Syntar 100T speakers. Headphones: Beyerdynamic DT-150, SoundMagic E10 IEM headphones

    3rd system: Portable CD player, Kinter MA-180 T amp, Klegg Symphony 102 speakers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beechwoods View Post
    Nice picture, Jerry. How does it sound?
    Very pleasing, indeed. I've always loved the sound of Dynavectors - I started off with a DV23RS, then a DV17D2 (I had 2 of those!), then a DV-XX1L.

    Just wonderfully natural music makers, to my ears. Fast and detailed but tonally rich - quite a rare combination in my experience. Along the way, I've wandered in to Ortofons and a Denon and Roksan/Goldring, but I always return to DVs somehow! They just sound right to me.
    Jerry

    Main systems:
    Spotify Premium streaming, DAC3 NOS TDA1543. Pure Sound L10 preamp, Pass X150 power amo. Speakers: MBL 116F. Cryo Silver i/c & Western Electric 16GA spkr cables. ProJect and Nordost Magus power cables

    Headphones: Fostex T50RP mk3, AKG 551, JBL Synchros S700, B&O H6, PSB M4U-1, B&O Form 2 & 2a and Sony XBA-H1 & SoundMagic E50 IEM headphones

    2nd system: Spotify Premium streaming / Pioneer DV-535, Audiolab MDAC, Black Cat power amp, Chario Syntar 100T speakers. Headphones: Beyerdynamic DT-150, SoundMagic E10 IEM headphones

    3rd system: Portable CD player, Kinter MA-180 T amp, Klegg Symphony 102 speakers

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    Thanks Jerry for the info,

    Are you saying that the Behringer adds its own character to things? I was looking into using it for room correction for the whole system - digital & vinyl.

    I'm wondering if the pro's of room correction outway the cons of the DSP. Just to clarify by room correction I mean using the calibration mic to measure the room and then the Behringer to automatically compansate for it ala Lyndorf on the cheap.
    ~Paul~

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primalsea View Post
    Thanks Jerry for the info,

    Are you saying that the Behringer adds its own character to things? I was looking into using it for room correction for the whole system - digital & vinyl.
    I think that using its digital inputs and outputs it is pretty much transparent. I.e. between digital source and your own fancy DAC. In which case I strongly recommend the Behringer.

    But if you use its analog ins/outs for a vinyl setup or from an integrated CDP's analog outputs, then you have to use the Behringer's frankly mediocre onboard ADC and DAC. Not so good.

    Quote Originally Posted by Primalsea View Post
    Just to clarify by room correction I mean using the calibration mic to measure the room and then the Behringer to automatically compensate for it ala Lyndorf on the cheap.
    Yup, that's what I mean, too.

    I don't recommend you use the auto-correction though - do it manually for much better results.
    Jerry

    Main systems:
    Spotify Premium streaming, DAC3 NOS TDA1543. Pure Sound L10 preamp, Pass X150 power amo. Speakers: MBL 116F. Cryo Silver i/c & Western Electric 16GA spkr cables. ProJect and Nordost Magus power cables

    Headphones: Fostex T50RP mk3, AKG 551, JBL Synchros S700, B&O H6, PSB M4U-1, B&O Form 2 & 2a and Sony XBA-H1 & SoundMagic E50 IEM headphones

    2nd system: Spotify Premium streaming / Pioneer DV-535, Audiolab MDAC, Black Cat power amp, Chario Syntar 100T speakers. Headphones: Beyerdynamic DT-150, SoundMagic E10 IEM headphones

    3rd system: Portable CD player, Kinter MA-180 T amp, Klegg Symphony 102 speakers

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    Default New TT !!

    A lovely New Year prezzie to me

    I just can't believe how cool this looks - and it sounds great, too!



    A Denon DP-62L.
    Jerry

    Main systems:
    Spotify Premium streaming, DAC3 NOS TDA1543. Pure Sound L10 preamp, Pass X150 power amo. Speakers: MBL 116F. Cryo Silver i/c & Western Electric 16GA spkr cables. ProJect and Nordost Magus power cables

    Headphones: Fostex T50RP mk3, AKG 551, JBL Synchros S700, B&O H6, PSB M4U-1, B&O Form 2 & 2a and Sony XBA-H1 & SoundMagic E50 IEM headphones

    2nd system: Spotify Premium streaming / Pioneer DV-535, Audiolab MDAC, Black Cat power amp, Chario Syntar 100T speakers. Headphones: Beyerdynamic DT-150, SoundMagic E10 IEM headphones

    3rd system: Portable CD player, Kinter MA-180 T amp, Klegg Symphony 102 speakers

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