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  1. #141
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    Hi Folks.

    The final Words and Music on the earth point

    The printed circuit board is only a 'single layer' board (referring to the copper layer)
    Now the actual, absolute Zero-Volt earth point for the PCB is therefore on the underneath side of the PCB. not on the top surface.

    It therefore follows, that for the lowest resistance possible between the earth tag and the 0 volt line of the circuitry, the earth tag must be connected on the underside of the PCB, where the copper track is.

    If this is not done, then the electrical path from the earth wire tag, has to go through the self tap screw on the top of the PCB, down into the alluminium supporting post and then back to the top of the post where hopefully it has a good contact with the copper on the PCB.

    Now the chassis is roughly sprayed with silver paint during production, and the post in question will most likely not have been scraped clean of this paint. (mine were not) so we would now have a measurable resistance between the top of the post and the copper track.
    So in order to ensure that we have a good connection between the copper track, the earth tag and the alluminium post (and therefore the chassis)
    Remove any paint on the top of the post before placing the earth tag between it and the PCB.

    The ultimate electrically correct solution:
    (and which allows for later removal of the PCB)

    a) Obtain a larger solder tag than the one used on the earth wire.

    b) Carefully solder this to the copper track on the underside of the PCB aligned with the existing hole.

    c) Now install the PCB (scrape the paint off the top of the post first) and clamp the self-tap screw in place

    d) Now bend the protruding part of the tag upwards and use this as the earth point for the wire.

    e) Remove the tag on the earth wire and solder the earth wire to this point.

    You will now have a total zero resistance homogeneous earth connection between the PS wire and the copper side of the PCB. And which will allow removal of the PCB by just the unsoldering of the earth wire

    Note the foregoing only really applies to the Timestep power supply and others which inject the 21volts directly into the PCB circuitry.

    The KAB unit apples it’s DC voltage across the existing full wave rectifier bridge, at the point where the AC would normally be connected. Hence the ‘internally generated’ earth is retained and no separate earth connections are required.
    However this approach whilst convenient, does have the disadvantage that all of the DC current now has to pass through only two of the four diodes in the somewhat low cost rectifier bridge, resulting in potentially a higher forward voltage drop and other current-flow related criteria.

    In regard to the correct earth point for the tone arm, I believe that the common earth point, which we have now generated at the PCB, should be used. And a heavy wire be connected to this point and taken to the earthing point on the arm.
    However any hum or earthing problems which people have experienced in the past by having the incorrect earthing connection, may well now be corrected.

    I hope the forgoing has not been too heavy for those of a none technical nature.

  2. #142
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    Hi guys,

    Mine is done, too... The earth is now in the correct place

    I have also substituted the rather poor quality black & white DC cable supplied with the Timestep PSU, for the woven-design Kimber DC cable I had from before, and replaced the DC connector with an XLR plug, which now goes into the XLR socket (rather than the DC one) on the back of the SR5 (thanks here goes to Anthony TD - churz, dude!)....

    WOW - there is actually quite a noticeable sonic improvement, not necessarily I suspect from moving the earth wire or fitting the XLR plug (although this may have had some benefit), but rather the sonic effect on proceedings of the Kimber cable.

    Thing is, I know what this cable does, as I used to use it on my old KAB PSU, and heard the 'before & after' effect of it in that application (compared to the supplied black & white cable), therefore I kind of knew what to expect when Anthony fitted it to the SR5. However, I was keen to hear what it would do now my turntable has since been further optimised.

    Basically, the Kimber DC cable removes a significant amount of mains 'hash' and noise from the power supply feeding the T/T (perhaps by removing RFI picked up by the cable after the DC power leaves the PSU?), and shows up the bog standard black & white DC lead as being a rather sonically 'uncouth' and noisy thing, removing a whole layer of underlying 'grunge' from recordings, and allowing musical information to flood through unhindered in a way I haven't heard before with the old DC cable in place.

    Vocals and instrumental detail benefit most from the lower noise floor, which are now rendered with a 'hear through' quality and crystalline clarity that makes musical performances even more realistic and convincing, Bass is also tighter, but has added impact and 'slam', with appropriate material.

    Quite simply, this is a no-brainer upgrade that largely gives the same sonic effect as upgrading a power lead on a piece of equipment, and so I would urge others using off-board PSUs for their SL-1200/1210s to try this DC cable from Kimber which can be ordered direct from Russ Andrews Accessories.

    Trust me, by doing so, you'll release the full potential of your chosen PSU and hear your favourite music like never before!

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

  3. #143
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    Marco, does that mean I have to open up my deck and do the Vaseline thing AGAIN? I'll check out the RA site in the morning. I'm a bit of a Kimber fan, so not much resistance here

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinT View Post
    Sorry to hear that, Chris. There are a lot of viruses going around and I was coughing and spluttering too. Damned hard to shake off, actually.
    Why thanks Martin , hope you didn't suffer as much as the wifey and i , in fact poor wifey got it really bad and of course it was my fault for catching it in the 1st place .
    Chris

    We've gone on holiday by mistake !

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    Hi Martin,

    Marco, does that mean I have to open up my deck and do the Vaseline thing AGAIN? I'll check out the RA site in the morning. I'm a bit of a Kimber fan, so not much resistance here
    Lol - I'm very confident you'll like the effect this cable gives. You know how the woven construction of Kimber cables virtually eliminates RFI, and how this works in their mains leads?

    Well think of that, and imagine the same sonic effect, but with the DC lead to your SR5!

    If you're looking at the RA website, I don't think there is a separate order code for the DC cable. From memory (it was a couple of years ago) I had to phone them up and ask if the cable they used on their PowerPak PSUs was available to buy separately.

    I was told that it was, and then given a code to use to order it from their website. I can't remember how much the cable was either - certainly not hugely expensive, maybe £15 or £20 for a couple of metres?

    Anyway, you're in for a nice little upgrade, even if you currently think things can't get much better....

    For some reason, the quality of the DC cable feeding the PSU seems to be considered unimportant, which is why that cheapo black & white thing is supplied, but in my experience it's as important as any other power cable in your system, and fundamentally important for optimising the sound of your T/T!

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

  6. #146
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    Cheers mate. I do have a few lengths of Kimber PSB lying around but that's really for interconnects. I'll ask RA about the Link cable in the morning.

    I'll take advantage of Mike's advice to clean the earth post and mount the earth tag under the PCB for best contact while I'm at it.

  7. #147
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    Yes, I might do that too... This is the cable you need (shown attached to their Powerpak II PSU):





    Under the sheathing, it's basically like a much thinner version of the cable used in Kimber Classic Powercords.

    Works a treat!

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

  8. #148
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    Just get some .8mm solid core and plait it yourselves...

    Remember, we're talking DC from an already very low noise source (you'll upset PH and DC if you say this cable removes yet more hash from the supply when it's already thirty db below audibility due to their careful designs. Unless you all live in severe rf affected areas of course

    Don't these woven wires introduce inductance and/or capacitance into the circuit?
    I can't go on and I can't go back, I don't feel so matter of fact,
    I tried and tried to make good sense, What's the good to try it all again?

  9. #149
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    Hi Dave,

    Yes, you're right, I should've said remove 'hash'/RFI from the DC supply picked up by the connecting cable between the PSU and the turntable... I'll amend my post accordingly

    With regard to introducing inductance and capacitance into the circuit, I couldn't say, but the acid fact is that the sound has improved significantly, since I swapped the black & white DC cable supplied with the Kimber one, so I'm very happy that it offers a genuine sonic upgrade.

    You know me, my ears are the only arbiter that matters in the final analysis!

    Yes of course you could make up your own cable, but for less than the price of some CDs, the Kimber DC cable is a ready-made professionally finished solution.

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

  10. #150
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    There should be no noise at all on the DC output of a high quality PSU such as Pauls.

    My thought on a DC lead would be to use something screened.

    Rather than trying to cancel out any noise the cable picks up from the atmosphere with a braid, stop anything getting in to the cable with a screen.
    The high quality PSU should be a clean DC output anyway.

    If Anyone is interested in experimenting, the cable used in my DSP 1.0 power cable should be ideal. ( just ask if interested)
    A length of this with suitable connectors.
    http://markgrantcables.co.uk/shop/in...products_id=47
    2 x 1.0 mm twisted cores and lots of screening (the screen would need to be earthed at the PSU end in the XLR etc)

    I have a few customers that use the DSP 2.5 power cable to feed this PSU and none that bought for this have returned them, so maybe it works
    http://markgrantcables.co.uk/shop/in...products_id=69

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