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Thread: My trip to Martin's to assess the Mike New platter for the SL-1200/1210

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    Smile My trip to Martin's to assess the Mike New platter for the SL-1200/1210

    [This report will be in two parts, with the second part posted tomorrow].

    Last Saturday I had the pleasure of going down to Martin T's for a music sesh and to hear his excellent system again (see Martin's signature for details), not to mention the effect of Mike New's platter on his SL-1210 (and mine) and have a squint at his utterly gorgeous Dynavector tonearm!

    I took down my own Techie, fitted with the Ortofon SPU, a Paul Hynes SR3 and SR5-21 PSU, my A23 SUT, some Mark Grant G2000HD interconnects, DSP 2.5 Furutech-upgraded mains leads, and some records.

    The results were very interesting indeed.....

    When I sat down to listen, cup of freshly brewed coffee in hand, Martin was playing (I think) some Steely Dan on the Techie, and as I was listening I thought to myself: 'there's something not quite right here'.

    There was undoubtedly a great sound trying to break free, but it was being held in check by a muddled quality in the bass and a rather peculiar slurring of notes and wavering of pitch, as a result of what was to my ears the effect of speed instability - rather as if the existing PSU (Sound Hi-fi's standard Timestep) had the inability to supply the motor mechanism with sufficient current to maintain the platter at the correct speed.

    Measurably this may have been miniscule or non-existent, but it was an effect I could clearly hear, although I had an idea how to sort it. However at that stage I didn't say anything to Martin about what I was hearing, intending instead to point it out to him later after I had made the change I was about to do.

    Before I get to that, however, one thing I want to make abundantly clear is that the standard Timestep PSU of Martin's could not be blamed in any way for what I was hearing. Dave Cawley always said that if a heavyweight platter was used with the SL-1200 (such as Mike New's one), the SE version of the Timestep must be fitted instead to cope with the extra mass of the heavy platter - and he was absolutely right.

    I have no doubt whatsoever that I would not have heard what I did had the Timestep SE been in situ instead. This is something that people should consider very carefully if upgrading to the Mike New platter. Moreover, the standard Timestep PSU does NOT exhibit the same characteristics when used with the stock platter on the SL-1200/1210, where it is indeed sonically superb in that application.

    With this in mind, therefore, I suggested to Martin that we first of all connect the Paul Hynes SR3 PSU to his turntable and see what would happen.

    When we listened to the same track again, within the first few notes there was a notable improvement, which both Martin and I commented on. Gone was the wavering of pitch I heard before and any sense that the deck was suffering from the effects of speed instability. Now music was 'locked into focus' and rendered with the rhythmic drive and intensity which the Technics is renowned for. There was also a subjectively lower noise floor, and with it, increased detail retrieval.

    Therefore, for those considering a high-quality off-board PSU for the SL-1200/1210 (particularly for use with Mike New's platter), and who can't quite stretch to the SR5-21, the SR3 is a very worthy option.

    It was now time to press the SR5-21 into action, which is a truly massive PSU for a turntable (about a similar size and weight to a Naim Hi-Cap, possibly slightly bigger). It has a huge toroidal transformer inside big enough to be used in most power amps!

    Again the same track was played ('The Dan' were getting rather monotonous now, but we were keen to keep the rest of the variables the same!), and so we sat back and listened.... The sonic improvement this time was quite frankly astonishing, and the resultant standard of music reproduction in an entirely different league

    This time not only was there not the slightest trace of any wavering of pitch or speed instability, but the sound had become bigger, with a greater sense of purpose, due in no small amount to the sheer verve and 'heft' the SR5-21 invoked on proceedings, together with a 'hear through' quality that allowed the music to ebb and flow with syncopating rhythm, and which defined high frequency information with a rather disarming crystalline clarity.

    Bass was both deeper and tighter, and the midrange and top end shone like a beacon of light piercing through the inky blackness of a night sky, aided in no small measure by the perception of a vanishingly low noise floor which allowed one to discern the subtlest of musical cues. Martin's SL-1210 was now producing a standard of sound from vinyl the likes of which I had never heard before.

    In short, the SR5-21 PSU, the sonic talents of which I already knew from hearing it at work in my own system, had made one of the biggest improvements to the SL-1210 I had heard so far in all my years of using it. But there was more still to come - MUCH MORE - and that would be realised when I analysed in isolation the sonic effect of the Mike New platter on my own T/T, which would make me realise, even when modified to this level, just how much more latent sonic potential the SL-1200/1210 still had to offer.......

    I must get to bed now, as I'm up early for the Manchester hi-fi show tomorrow. Part 2 of my report will be continued upon my return.

    Don't miss it, folks, as I promise it'll make for intriguing reading, not to mention the revealing of a totally FREE tweak for the Technics, Mike New platter aside, that totally transformed the sound of my T/T and astounded me!!

    Steve (Snoopdog) also made an appearance during this part of the session, and it was good to meet him again, where both Martin and he heard what happened when my SPU was unleashed and fitted onto Martin's Dynavector, in conjunction with the A23 SUT, producing a sonic combination that had us in utter rapture, redefining just what is possible from music on the vinyl format.....

    Laters,
    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    I won't spoil Marco's part 2 article, suffice to say that the Paul Hynes SR5-21 power supply made such an impact on my system that I now have one on order from PH. There is no doubt that the MN platter requires a beefy PSU and this should be costed in when contemplating the MN platter upgrade.

    My deck now has the MN bearing, platter and base plate upgrades, as well as motor dynamics mod, Isonoe feet and Bruil weight.

    The evening got better, so over to you, Marco.

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    No worries, Martin. I'm just having my breakfast, and chilling for a bit, before leaving for the show.

    Until I get back and finish the report, perhaps as an interlude, you could post some 'audiophile porn' by showing what the SPU looks like on the end of your marvel of tonearm engineering?

    Marco.

    P.S Could you also do me a favour and list the music we played from your collection, particularly that, was it Harry Belafonte LP from 1959? That was one of the finest recordings I've ever heard, period, proving that in comparison CD is very much the poor relation.

    Cheers, matey!
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    Photo of my Dynavector with Marco's Ortofon SPU head. Note the counterweight way back, aided only by the 4g tracking weight from falling off! In reality, there is a heavier weight in the arm's set but I couldn't be bothered to rummage around in the garage for it. Just to the left you can see the big SR5 PSU standing on its side.

    This combination sounded . . . utterly sublime!


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    Some of the music we listened to (in no particular order):

    Harry Belafonte - Live in Concert at the Carnegie Hall (1959 and a fabulous recording)
    Rickie Lee Jones - eponymous
    Rickie Lee Jones - Girl at her Volcano EP
    Frank Sinatra - Sinatra at the Sands (Marco brought it along and I now have it too)
    Steely Dan - Gaucho
    Jeff Buckley - Sketches for My Sweetheart The Drunk
    Grace Jones - Nightclubbing
    The Eagles - Hotel California

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    Hahaha... That looks so outrageously 'industrial' and OTT, but man, did it do the biz!

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    Am I missing something? This seems to be about power suppplies rather than platters.

    I have to say that I am entirely unconvinced by the supposed benefit of raising platter mass.
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    The platter is the mod which makes the high quality of sound we heard achievable. Matching it up with the right power supply was the natural thing to do being as we had three different ones between us.

    As for the benefits of the new platter, the proof was in the listening. I doubt that all that we heard was a result of just high platter mass, the material that Mike New uses contributes to its high degree of 'deadness'.

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    Presumbaly you felt it was an improvement before the power supply was changed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by YNWaN View Post
    Presumbaly you felt it was an improvement before the power supply was changed?
    Oh yes, of course. I've been running the MN platter for a couple of months now and we also swapped it over to Marco's deck for listening. The Technics platter rings like a bell without a mat on it and you can hear those resonances and colourations quite clearly.

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