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Primalsea
04-06-2010, 22:21
Bought a Nikon D3000 and some lenses with the based on the advice of Hamish. Just thought I would share a few pics. Of course what I really want to happen is everybody to be very impressed and tell me what a hero I am lol:lol:
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f23/primalsea/Choice%20Pics/0443.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f23/primalsea/Choice%20Pics/09240038.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f23/primalsea/Choice%20Pics/107.jpg
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http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f23/primalsea/Choice%20Pics/173.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f23/primalsea/Choice%20Pics/196.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f23/primalsea/Choice%20Pics/198.jpg
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http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f23/primalsea/Choice%20Pics/DSC_0043.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f23/primalsea/Choice%20Pics/DSC_0049.jpg
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http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f23/primalsea/Choice%20Pics/DSC_0152_renamed_5756.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f23/primalsea/Choice%20Pics/DSC_0155.jpg
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http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f23/primalsea/Choice%20Pics/DSC_0182.jpg
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http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f23/primalsea/Choice%20Pics/DSC_0270.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f23/primalsea/Choice%20Pics/menorca08213.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f23/primalsea/Choice%20Pics/menorca08216.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f23/primalsea/Choice%20Pics/YellowEyes.jpg

The Vinyl Adventure
04-06-2010, 22:29
My favorite one is possibly the first, it's really eye catching, the back ground echoing the foreground somehow works really well... Is that one from the 85mm? How you getting on with that?

Beechwoods
04-06-2010, 22:54
Wow... nice pictures. I like the macro stuff in particular. But where is the cliff-bound road? It looks like Cheddar!

Primalsea
05-06-2010, 07:57
Chears guys

The first pic was actually taken with a basic Sony camera using its macro function. Pretty good camera for not a lot of money at all. The 85mm lens (for the Nikon) is fab but I'm still getting used to it really. One thing that is obvious with it is the vibrancy of the pictures taken with it compared to the zoom lenses.

The cliff bound road is Chedder!! We just got back from Somerset yesterday, spent a few days there. I've just noticed that one of the pics of the raod has loads of little white specks all over it! I don't know what happened the original doesn't look like that. I don't know if I have over sharpened it or if its artifacts from the JPEG conversion. Anyone know?

The Vinyl Adventure
05-06-2010, 09:28
It's funny, as soon as Nick said is that cheddar I thought I recognised it.... I haven't been there since I was very small but i'm sure we went up that road, I have this faint memory of being fasinated and excited about going into caves from seeing that picture but don't really remember much else... I probably wouldn't have remembered the feeling without it being triggered by the image ... If that makes sence? I didn't think it when cheddar was mentioned on here the other day for eg... ...
Anyway... Not seen spots like that before! What did you use to compress it?
As a rule with jpeg compression I never go below "6" when it's out of "10" or "7" when it's out of "12" then set to 72 dpi for the Internet!
I also wholey recommend the use of adobe lightroom (although don't by it now - version 3 is imanent) and shooting in raw! Doing all that, I have never had any issue with my images like the White spotting in that one - so I couldn't unfortunatly put a finger on what exactly it is....
Lightroom and raw shooting can also be used to make up for the inherant shortcomings of zoom lenses such as chromatic aberations and reduced saturation!
Macro lenses always give great results... It's something to do with the way they are designed - especially when they are made by Nikon!

Rare Bird
05-06-2010, 09:45
Hamish i want one of those compact cameras for holidays where the zoom lens pops out. Any recommendations?

The Vinyl Adventure
05-06-2010, 10:13
Do you have a budget it mind Andre?
When you say zoom lens pops out you mean something with a good level of magnification?
You could look at the Sony h55 (10x zoom) or the panasonic tz8 (12x zoom) both have good wide angle lenses ... The Sony is better in lower light indoors stuff and the panasonic is better in outdoors daytime stuff

The Grand Wazoo
05-06-2010, 10:27
These are pretty good for not much money Andre

Fuji S1500

http://www.cameratown.com/assets/news/large/Fujfilm_S1500.jpg

£109 here
http://www.simplyelectronics.net/mainproduct.php?pid=6439

The Vinyl Adventure
05-06-2010, 10:32
Agreed! Very good value for money... I took andre's description to mean something that was more compact that a lens came out of though?

The Grand Wazoo
05-06-2010, 10:42
I have one for times when I need to stick something small in my pocket as a 'just in case' camera. It's very, very good for the money. I love the way you can do seamless panoramic pictures

Rare Bird
05-06-2010, 10:58
I'm looking for something small i can put in my pocket on holiday. I have a Sony compact but when it comes to shot further away i'm stumped, ive noticed things like the Lumix have Zoom lens that pop out for far away shot..Nothing mega expensive incase it gets lost but i dont want cheap shit either..A camera for back home is a different story.

Mark Grant
05-06-2010, 11:00
£109 here
http://www.simplyelectronics.net/mainproduct.php?pid=6439

Pretty bad feedback for that site, that would really wind Andre up if he had a problem with getting the goods he had paid for:

http://www.avforums.com/forums/camcorders-video-editing/739921-simply-electronics.html

http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/403729/simply-electronics-a-warning

http://www.twenga.co.uk/shop-reviews/Simply-Electronics-70296-0-0

Maybe best to buy from the UK rather than Hong Kong.


For cheap Fuji stuff I always check the fuji refurb shop
https://secure.fujifilm.co.uk/shop/consumer/digital/digital-cameras/view-all

bought a few refurb compacts from there over the last few years and never had a problem with any of them.

Mark.

The Vinyl Adventure
05-06-2010, 11:13
Hmmm someone should really start another forum where members from here would be welcome to join and come and chat about cameras iregardless of thier level of expereience :)

The Grand Wazoo
05-06-2010, 11:22
Hmmm someone should really start another forum where members from here would be welcome to join and come and chat about cameras iregardless of thier level of expereience :)

Trouble is, a thing like that would need some dynamic young chap with a bit of artistic flair and knowledge of photography to get it going. Does such a person even exist?

Rare Bird
05-06-2010, 12:28
Any recommendations then chaps & chapesses?

The Vinyl Adventure
05-06-2010, 12:55
... Sony h55, panasonic tz8 ....
Did you miss that post, or were they too dear?

Primalsea
05-06-2010, 13:25
There is a dynamic young chap that comes to mind but he would need someone else who can do the technical stuff without using a hammer, a chisel and some confusion, lol!

I discovered that it was over zealous sharpening that had caused the white spots.

The Vinyl Adventure
05-06-2010, 13:57
Ha yeah... Fortunatley I'm not to bad with computers and my business partner is even better... Not to mention the other as of yet un mentioned party involved who is also right on the ball! with a bit of time the forum is going to be a gem I think... Even If I do say so my self... :) We got loads of nice little features up our sleves that hopefully people will really like, it's also going to be the only one of it's type of forum in the field of photography ... But that's still a secret ;)

sharpening... Should have thought of that! Another advantage of lightroom, sharpening is adjusted in real time over the whole photo and as such it's much easier to see when it gets a bit edgy...

Rare Bird
05-06-2010, 14:00
... Sony h55, panasonic tz8 ....
Did you miss that post, or were they too dear?

It's not the cost in money it's i would rather spend little incase it goes missing on holiday then it's not too bad..Is there a lumix where you can fit an additional lenz to the camers..I'll check them out..

The Vinyl Adventure
05-06-2010, 14:34
The g series panasonics have interchangeable lenses ... You can get a g1 for £400 now and get £50 cashback from panasonic... It's currently the cheapest small interchangeable lens camera! Is that too expensive
http://www.letsgodigital.org/images/artikelen/38/panasonic_g1.jpg

other than that the lx3 is the only panasonic that you can fit adapting lenses to a thread that surrounds the built in lens ... Also not a cheap option

1 second Andre, i'm just gonna get on my lap top and il talk you through some more cheaper options!

The Vinyl Adventure
05-06-2010, 14:46
smaller cheap higher powered zoom cameras

fuji f70exr - should be able to get one of those for £150 - nice solid build, farily good low light, nice colour

http://www.pixelvalley.com/forum/img/users/17538_fuji-f70.jpg

ricoh r10 - around £130 - lots of nice features - bit complicated to use - slightly dubious reliability but very cheap

http://www.dcviews.com/press/images/Ricoh-R10.jpg

panasonic zx1 - £150 + - only 8 x zoom but typical panny solid build would be my choice out of these

http://otakugadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/panasonic-dmc-zx1-camera.jpg

The Vinyl Adventure
05-06-2010, 14:51
i have one of these

panasonic gf1

http://joeyc.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/panasonic-gf1-system-camera.jpg

and one of these

sony tx5

http://www.productwiki.com/upload/images/sony_cyber_shot_dsc_tx5-400-400.jpg

not that either of those are what you are after im just showing off my toys :)

Ali Tait
05-06-2010, 15:12
How much is the Panasonic Hamish?

Primalsea
05-06-2010, 15:12
Ha yeah... Fortunatley I'm not to bad with computers and my business partner is even better... Not to mention the other as of yet un mentioned party involved who is also right on the ball! with a bit of time the forum is going to be a gem I think... Even If I do say so my self... :) We got loads of nice little features up our sleves that hopefully people will really like, it's also going to be the only one of it's type of forum in the field of photography ... But that's still a secret ;)

sharpening... Should have thought of that! Another advantage of lightroom, sharpening is adjusted in real time over the whole photo and as such it's much easier to see when it gets a bit edgy...

Oh do tell young (dare I say dynamic) man!! I'm still currently a member of the Fuji forum which is a bit querky really. I'm looking for somewhere that's not a pain in the arse to upload pics. Also coupled with the fact that as I no longer have my Fuji camera the chances of me ever getting a pic in the top ratings is non existent.

The Vinyl Adventure
05-06-2010, 15:21
The gf1 Ali?
About £700 ish with a kit lens off the top of my head ...
Very very very good camera!

The Vinyl Adventure
05-06-2010, 15:31
Oh do tell young (dare I say dynamic) man!! I'm still currently a member of the Fuji forum which is a bit querky really. I'm looking for somewhere that's not a pain in the arse to upload pics. Also coupled with the fact that as I no longer have my Fuji camera the chances of me ever getting a pic in the top ratings is non existent.

Hmmm, nah, you will have to wait and see... I'm sure you will like it though... Some of the features we are including are blogs, articles and reviews. And there are going to be measures in place to encourage more of a comunity feel for everyone from beginers to advanced pros. We have plans for competions of a sort too. We are also hoping to find some pros in specific areas at the top of thier game to help people who want to improve in that field and I think we have already got a very advanced marco photographer lined up ... I'm gonna keep the rest under my hat for now. It shouldn't be long before I'm inviting people to join though, it is already hosted and online but is still currently populated with some rather odd vbullitin 4 suite content so I'm not gonna show it you just yet :)

The Vinyl Adventure
05-06-2010, 15:36
Ha, not marco photographer... Macro ....
I'm not sure there is such a thing as a marco photographer, I think people have tried to take his photo but for some reason his face always comes out all smeared out

Primalsea
05-06-2010, 15:48
Ha, not marco photographer... Macro ....
I'm not sure there is such a thing as a marco photographer, I think people have tried to take his photo but for some reason his face always comes out all smeared out

Bad juju

Marco
05-06-2010, 16:05
You guys don't realise how difficult it is being so famous!

Marco.

Primalsea
05-06-2010, 17:02
You mean infamous don't you?

Marco
05-06-2010, 17:43
Indeed...! Typo :doh:

:eyebrows:

Marco,

Rare Bird
05-06-2010, 20:55
panasonic zx1 - £150 + - only 8 x zoom but typical panny solid build would be my choice out of these

http://otakugadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/panasonic-dmc-zx1-camera.jpg

I'll go have a look at this is it metal or placky?

Barry
05-06-2010, 21:00
Indeed...! Typo :doh:

:eyebrows:

Marco,

Being nosferatu, it is impossible to capture Marco's likeness on film. He doesn't even cast a reflection in mirrors.

To get around this, Marco sends a body-double to public occasions such as Oweston or Whittlebury.

Regards

The Vinyl Adventure
05-06-2010, 21:12
I'll go have a look at this is it metal or placky?

metal matey... there is a zx3 too, but i dont think its much different... you are welcome to ring me at the shop on wednesday 01905 22335 and il see what we have there... there is a reasonable chance i could do you a good price on something, depending what we have in stock

Alex_UK
06-06-2010, 00:04
Back to Paul's pics... very good - some shots to be very pleased with there - some of the birds of prey in action in particular.

Primalsea
06-06-2010, 07:53
Just my opinion - completely ignore all mentions of digital zoom on cameras and make sure that you are looking at optical zoom. Digital zoom is in camera software based and results in poor image quality. if you have to "zoom in" further than the optics allow use your computer software by cropping the image. Still not really ideal but much better.

The Vinyl Adventure
06-06-2010, 09:38
Yep I completely agree! In fact the tz8 I previously mentioned claims to be 16x zoom and it's only when you use it you realise after 12x the lens has stopped moving. You can switch that feature off and have purly optical... And I like Paul would highly recomend doing so.... Cropping on the computer is a much smarter idea even if the camera maufacturers do call their digital zoom "smart zoom" or whatnot ... It bollocks, it makes the photos crap!

Mark Grant
06-06-2010, 11:25
Bought a Nikon D3000 and some lenses with the based on the advice of Hamish. Just thought I would share a few pics. Of course what I really want to happen is everybody to be very impressed and tell me what a hero I am lol:lol:


http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f23/primalsea/Choice%20Pics/menorca08213.jpg


Some of the photos look a bit over sharpened and maybe a little noisy.

I really like this one though.

Reminds me of Pollensa old town in Mallorca. ( I guess the photo is in Menorca)

Makes me want to follow that street and see what's around the corner.

I think I need a holiday :)

Mark.

SteveW
06-06-2010, 14:36
Being nosferatu, it is impossible to capture Marco's likeness on film. He doesn't even cast a reflection in mirrors.

To get around this, Marco sends a body-double to public occasions such as Oweston or Whittlebury.

Regards

Body Double pictured here, without gimpmask but reaching out for a knob.

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j280/Stevewaller/DSC_0013.jpg

The Vinyl Adventure
06-06-2010, 14:44
Yeah that's not marco... That's marcow...

kcc123
08-06-2010, 07:22
Well, look at this one. This is micro. :lol:

Cytokinesis

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u114/KCCTKC/Cytokinesiscopy.jpg

I did not take the picture, but my daughter did it in her lab.

Primalsea
08-06-2010, 18:15
Yep that pic is Menorca - Cituadella in fact. I must admit that some of the pics on there are the wrongs ones - I pasted the wrong links into the post. I think the noise and the over sharpening are artefacts from the compression and stripping of resolution. Most of them end up only being about 100Kb so they load fast.

Haselsh1
09-06-2010, 08:07
We're all getting very wrapped up in the camera equipment here without actually mentioning the photography. Never shoot in JPEG. Only ever shoot in TIFF or RAW and if using RAW view your thumbnails in Adobe Bridge before opening Photoshop. JPEG are compressed to hell and are a very good example of very bad digital. They are the optical equivalent of MP3 and are near to useless. TIFF can be stored without any compression at all but RAW is the way to go. As long as your software has the necessary filters you can and should shoot RAW.
Anyone who is truly serious about the way their photographs are going to look would not shoot JPEG. I know that this is yet another learning curve for us all though. For a twenty by sixteen photograph at 300 dpi in RGB look at an image size of around 85Mb. Most of my work is in mono so all I have to do is divide that number by three. It makes my PC work a lot less hard.

The Vinyl Adventure
09-06-2010, 17:05
Shaun, you need to get lightroom 3! It's much more useable for photography than Photoshop and in some respects more powerful... Tiff is a waste of time when raw and lightroom is an option! Get lightroom 3! Please, you won't look back, I don't even have Photoshop installed anymore!

Haselsh1
09-06-2010, 17:59
I have Lightroom 3 which thankfully I didn't pay for as it is no use nor ornament for what I do. The way I process my images requires Photoshop and Pantone colours. Lightroom cannot do this. I also do a lot of graphic design work which Lightroom cannot do. I'm sorry but I found it useless.

Haselsh1
09-06-2010, 18:01
Shaun, you need to get lightroom 3! It's much more useable for photography than Photoshop and in some respects more powerful... Tiff is a waste of time when raw and lightroom is an option! Get lightroom 3! Please, you won't look back, I don't even have Photoshop installed anymore!

Try sending your processed images to a professional print studio in RAW...! They'd laugh at you. Most of them only accept TIFF or JPEG and I know which one I'd rather use. TIFF is the industry standard provided you pick the uncompressed version.

Primalsea
09-06-2010, 18:40
Shaun,

I only changed the pics from Raw to Jpeg so I could upload them quickly on Photobucket and so that the forum page loads fast.

I shoot is RAW and maybe one day will shoot in the raw too!

The Vinyl Adventure
09-06-2010, 18:45
Yeah yeah, I'm talking about tiff as an input file not output...
My files are imputed as raw and outputted as tiff for printing
how do you make use of Pantone? Sounds interesting!
I just use a colour calibrator and a good screen to get the coulours acurate but I'd be interested in hearing in how to do better than that!
You still interested in being a mod on my photography forum? It's up and running - although without any members, if you get my meaning? If you are interested let me know and il pm you a link with instructions, make you a mod and you can help me out with your thoughts and take on it so far....

Same goes for you Paul if you are interested?

Haselsh1
09-06-2010, 18:46
Shaun,

I only changed the pics from Raw to Jpeg so I could upload them quickly on Photobucket and so that the forum page loads fast.

I shoot is RAW and maybe one day will shoot in the raw too!

Please, I've just had me dinner...!!!

I fully understand about JPEGS and the internet. Well done on some fab photo's.

Primalsea
09-06-2010, 20:32
No worries, I thought you thought that I was shooting in Jpeg mode.

Hamish, I'm certainly interested send me the link. The only thing I can only commit time sporadically. If thats OK with you then I'm happy.

By the way, I havent got much further on your TT buttons other than tarting them up and having the good idea on the case. I'm away for a bit but will start again next month when I get back from travelling for work. Not glamorous by the way, shitty, hot, dusty!

The Vinyl Adventure
09-06-2010, 20:41
I emailed you... Is your email talktalk or the other one?

Haselsh1
10-06-2010, 19:17
how do you make use of Pantone? Sounds interesting!


All or certainly most of my black and white art work is done of flowers and is finished as a duotone. This is done by converting a greyscale image to RGB and then digitally toning it to simulate a process known as 'Lith' development. Why...? Because in a darkroom this process is quite difficult and very 'hit and miss' so I do it digitally. The final result is a very washed out black and white print with a gorgeous peachy/pink tone in the mids and highlights. There are some of these on my website.
The final print is then made by a professional print agency onto Hahnemuhle Albrect Durer cotton fibre paper and framed by a local craftsman. It then goes up for sale in mine and my partners shop. Sometimes they sell very quickly and sometimes they don't.

The Vinyl Adventure
10-06-2010, 20:56
You can do that in lightroom using split toning can't you?

The Vinyl Adventure
10-06-2010, 21:37
... Sorry for all the questions... How does that relate to Pantone? Surly one of the 65,536(?) colours available in lightrooms split tone feature provide you with enough option ? Or is it to do with the material that it's printed on requires using a Pantone colour space?
I shoot in, work in and use printers that use adobe rgb as aposed to srgb as I find the end product more natural... But when limited to unnatural colours of a duotone I dot see where the advantege is?
I'm not just being a dick btw, I am genuinly interested!

The Vinyl Adventure
10-06-2010, 21:43
Actually ... It might only be 26,500 colours to choose from for the split tone for either highlight toning or shadow toneing ....But that's still a few for such a task, and surly by combining high light toneing with shadow toning something similar can be done?

The Vinyl Adventure
10-06-2010, 21:54
They are beautiful images btw shaun, very subtle...