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Gazjam
22-12-2016, 16:31
Teaser trailer's hit the Web.

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Not watching anything else until the film hits in October 2017.
Want to go in completely cold.

Wow.

Barry
22-12-2016, 17:14
Wouldn't it be better to wait until 2049? :eyebrows:

hifinutt
22-12-2016, 17:17
mmm look forward to that . Harrison ford is busy these days

Gazjam
22-12-2016, 17:40
Wouldn't it be better to wait until 2049? :eyebrows:

Only two years till 2019, when the original was set. :)

Barry
22-12-2016, 17:43
Will be interesting to see if the sequel is in any way close to the book.

Jimbo
22-12-2016, 17:56
Look forward to that one Gaz, hope the music is as good as the original.:)

Gazjam
22-12-2016, 18:18
Yeah James,
The music was a big part of the first one, bit of a Vangelis nut here.

Though not him thats doing it, the music snippets from the trailer sound good, hear a lot of nods to the Vangelis original.
Same guy that did the music for Prisoners, Sicario and Arrival.

http://www.theverge.com/2016/8/25/12630674/johann-johannson-composer-blade-runner-2-sequel-score

Gordon Steadman
22-12-2016, 18:46
Will be interesting to see if the sequel is in any way close to the book.

I was thinking about this the other day. It's strange that, after years of it being one of my favourite books, the film has taken over and I can't remember how the story unfolds in the book any more. I intended and still intend to read it again to remind myself.

I can't see how they can stick to the book after having only casually referred to it for the first film but we shall see.

Barry
22-12-2016, 18:57
I was thinking about this the other day. It's strange that, after years of it being one of my favourite books, the film has taken over and I can't remember how the story unfolds in the book any more. I intended and still intend to read it again to remind myself.

I can't see how they can stick to the book after having only casually referred to it for the first film but we shall see.

Well the film dispenses with the cod religion, and more seriously suggests that Dekkard is himself a specialist replicant - completely different to the book. I can't see what more the new film can do (apart from spawn the Director's Cut, the Final Cut, the Definative Cut etc. ....).

Gordon Steadman
22-12-2016, 19:15
I still can't see how the film suggests that Deckard is a replicant. Maybe the fact that he definitely isn't in the book, stops me seeing the possibility.

Barry
22-12-2016, 19:36
I still can't see how the film suggests that Deckard is a replicant. Maybe the fact that he definitely isn't in the book, stops me seeing the possibility.

Replicants have their memories and dreams pre-programmed. These pre-programs are known about by those working in the replicant industry.

In the film Deckard has a dream about an unicorn. Later on, one of the policemen who has asked Deckard to take on the assignment, and who has a habit of making origami 'doodles', leaves a paper unicorn at Dekkard's appartment, having previously commented, somewhat cryptically, to Dekkard after killing the last rogue replicant that "that's a Man's job you have done". Why would he say that if Deckard wasn't himself a replicant and not a man?

Gordon Steadman
22-12-2016, 19:46
Nah, still don't buy it. Someone is reaching for answers to an unnecessary question. A bit like conspiracy theories. The other replicants are much stronger than him. Why, if his job is retiring replicants, would they not make him stronger than them or at least as strong?

Covenant
22-12-2016, 20:43
The teaser trailer looks brilliant and retains many of the elements of the original -crowded streets, excellent lighting and , as Gaz pointed out, a music score similar to the original.
I cannot wait......

Barry
22-12-2016, 21:12
Nah, still don't buy it. Someone is reaching for answers to an unnecessary question. A bit like conspiracy theories. The other replicants are much stronger than him. Why, if his job is retiring replicants, would they not make him stronger than them or at least as strong?

You're not alone: https://uk.news.yahoo.com/blade-runner-2049-director-harrison-163051717.html

And taken from the Wikipedia link:

The question of whether Deckard is intended to be a human or a replicant has been an ongoing controversy since the film's release.[27] Both Michael Deeley and Harrison Ford wanted Deckard to be human while Hampton Fancher preferred ambiguity.[28] Ridley Scott has confirmed that in his vision Deckard is a replicant.[29][30]

Deckard's unicorn dream sequence, inserted into the Director's Cut, coinciding with Gaff's parting gift of an origami unicorn is seen by many as showing that Deckard is a replicant – as Gaff could have accessed Deckard's implanted memories. The interpretation that Deckard is a replicant is challenged by others who believe the unicorn imagery shows that the characters, whether human or replicant, share the same dreams and recognize their affinity, or that the absence of a decisive answer is crucial to the film's main theme. The inherent ambiguity and uncertainty of the film, as well as its textual richness, have permitted viewers to see it from their own perspectives.


Some even argue that Tyrell was also a replicant.

Gazjam
22-12-2016, 22:03
Barry,
you know your Blade Runner. :)

Whats your take on the new trailer?

Macca
23-12-2016, 08:51
Nah, still don't buy it. Someone is reaching for answers to an unnecessary question. A bit like conspiracy theories. The other replicants are much stronger than him. Why, if his job is retiring replicants, would they not make him stronger than them or at least as strong?

If they don't want him to know he is a replicant, his having super-human strength and dexterity would be a dead giveaway.

Jimbo
23-12-2016, 09:00
Yeah James,
The music was a big part of the first one, bit of a Vangelis nut here.

Though not him thats doing it, the music snippets from the trailer sound good, hear a lot of nods to the Vangelis original.
Same guy that did the music for Prisoners, Sicario and Arrival.

http://www.theverge.com/2016/8/25/12630674/johann-johannson-composer-blade-runner-2-sequel-score

The Vangelis score really did the original justice and is superb on vinyl. There does seem to be a nod to Vangelis in the new trailer, wonder why they didn't ask him to compose stuff for the new film.?

Gordon Steadman
23-12-2016, 09:13
If they don't want him to know he is a replicant, his having super-human strength and dexterity would be a dead giveaway.

Then why set him up as a replicant retirer if he is at a disadvantage? Just makes no sense. I trust Philip K Dick. He wrote the story after all. If the film producers see different things in it then fine but I'm stuck with the original vision and am not for turning...well, apart from wood anyway.

Don't suppose the world will end.

Gazjam
23-12-2016, 10:03
In the film Deckard's boss says that six replicants jumped ship and made their way to earth, one got killed.
Deckard was hunting down FOUR replicants...

so where (and who?) was the fifth? :eyebrows:

Gordon Steadman
23-12-2016, 10:11
His boss obviously knew about his love interest!!

ianlenco
23-12-2016, 11:03
In the film Deckard's boss says that six replicants jumped ship and made their way to earth, one got killed.
Deckard was hunting down FOUR replicants...

so where (and who?) was the fifth? :eyebrows:

According to Ridley Scott in an interview with Paul Sammon (Future Noir The Making of Blade Runner) there was a 6th replicant called Mary. They cast the part but dropped it because they couldn't afford to film the scenes. Stacey Nelkin was going to play the part but in the end it all came down to money. In the same interview Scott also says that "the unicorn scene would be the strongest clue that Deckard, this hunter of replicants, might actually be an artificial human himself"

Another interesting thing in the interview is that the title Blade Runner came from a short William Burroughs book called Blade Runner -The Movie. If this sounds like I'm a bit of a Blade Runner geek then I'm not :) , I looked this up in response to reading this thread. One of my sons bought me the book about the film and the Director's Cut because he knew I really liked Philip K Dick and Blade Runner was one of my favourite movies. Thanks Gazjam for the heads up on the sequel.

stairpost
31-08-2017, 17:16
I've just watched the trailer for this, I have a horrible feeling it's going to be a disappointment.

Macca
31-08-2017, 18:05
Sequels and re-makes usually are. There are the odd exceptions, though. I thought the genius of the original was the 1940s film noir detective plot combined with the dystopian future shtick. That raised it above the average. If they don't keep that combination for the new one then it will be a fail.

stairpost
04-09-2017, 19:22
Sequels and re-makes usually are. There are the odd exceptions, though. I thought the genius of the original was the 1940s film noir detective plot combined with the dystopian future shtick. That raised it above the average. If they don't keep that combination for the new one then it will be a fail.

I think a lack of appealing style is what put me off the new film, more than one karate kick in a trailer doesn't set the right tone for a Bladerunner sequel.

I do very much hope I'm wrong though.

Covenant
28-09-2017, 07:52
The initial reviews are very, very encouraging with some saying it is better than the original. Check out the Telegraph's comments for example.

farflungstar
28-09-2017, 08:29
It's blasphemy that they've done it. Just a money making exercise.

narabdela
28-09-2017, 09:37
Just a money making exercise.


Isn't that why films are made? :scratch:

Anyhoo, I'm a big fan of the original and looking forward to the sequel. The first reviews look very encouraging. :)

Covenant
28-09-2017, 19:20
I hope they do make money out of it.
If a good story is continued with the same attention to detail why complain.
At least watch and then complain!

farflungstar
28-09-2017, 19:46
Some films are works of art, remaking them is like repainting the Mona lisa.

Spectral Morn
28-09-2017, 21:33
It's blasphemy that they've done it. Just a money making exercise.

There had been a number of sequel books written long time ago, so not a new idea to continue the story.

narabdela
28-09-2017, 23:14
Some films are works of art, remaking them is like repainting the Mona lisa.


I think you've got the wrong end of the stick here. It's not a remake. It's a sequel.

zygote23
29-09-2017, 17:54
Mate was one of the Art Directors on this......I have his word that I will like it and thats good enough for me. Strange that I rarely see him much these days since he began working on movies. He is a couple of years older than I and I remember him driving us to see the Original Blade Runner in one of the old cinemas in Belfast. We sat with our jaws on the floor until the credits had finished and promptly bought tickets to sit through the whole thing again.

All these year later and he is working as one of the art directors......he popped in last Christmas for a coffee.....bedecked in a BR 2049 bomber jacket....to say I was jealous is understatement.

I'm not caring that Vangelis hasn't done the music....he's done very little for a long long time.

I am massively looking forward to it!

narabdela
30-09-2017, 09:49
Five Star Review.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/sep/29/blade-runner-2049-review-ryan-gosling-harrison-ford-denis-villeneuve

Minstrel SE
01-10-2017, 14:46
I generally trust The Guardian to review it well but I dont get involved in the build up until I have seen the film for myself.

This one might take longer to hit the bucket bargain bins :)

zygote23
08-10-2017, 09:36
Stunning! Saw it on Fri in Maxx which is the chav little sister of iMaxxx which we don't have here in N. Ireland.

Just amazing..suspend your disbelief and suck it all in....it is beautiful....a big step up from the original which was perfect.

JimC
08-10-2017, 09:59
....a big step up from the original..........

Wow, high praise indeed. I am so looking forward to seeing it now. The Trailers, I think, look amazing and piqued my interest from the first time I saw them. Such a big fan of the first film, I can't wait 'till this latest comes out on Blu-Ray (and the Director says what will be on the first release of DVD/Blu-Ray will be his 'final cut' thankfully !! Such a shame with the first one with all the different versions).

Jim.

Covenant
08-10-2017, 10:15
Pay the extra for the Imax experience, well worth it. We went into Liverpool last night to watch it and it is a stunning visual treat as well as a good story line. You have probably seen the trailers with the massive holographic naked ladies walking down the streets. Afterwards my mate said "they'd be nice to look up to".
My wife wasn't too fussed on the original but loved 2049 as it has a better story. It has everything really- it respects the original, moves the story on, paints a picture of what the world could become (and its not nice) but has the artistic flair of Ridley Scott's direction.

User211
08-10-2017, 10:23
Going to see it tonight in 4K 3D.

Amazingly I booked the seat yesterday in a less than half booked room in the centre of Bristol.

Maybe that is a reflection of the poor takings in America. People refuse to believe it will be good.

User211
08-10-2017, 12:12
That said I have just been reading the original was a box office flop too.

zygote23
08-10-2017, 12:40
http://variety.com/2017/film/news/blade-runner-2049-box-office-opening-weekend-1202582867/

User211
08-10-2017, 13:01
http://variety.com/2017/film/news/blade-runner-2049-box-office-opening-weekend-1202582867/http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/blade-runner-2049-release-date-trailer-flopping-us-box-office-it-pennywise-a7987781.html

zygote23
08-10-2017, 13:39
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/blade-runner-2049-release-date-trailer-flopping-us-box-office-it-pennywise-a7987781.html

Yes I read this also.....mind you money at box office does not necessarily indicate success! The same indie piece suggest long term playability...whatever that is.

Spectral Morn
10-10-2017, 17:36
Saw it today, too long, way too long. The story could have been told much quicker. Depressing film. Music score awful. Acting was fine, the action scenes what there was were fine but .... I am on the fence as to whether I like it or don't like it.

Gazjam
10-10-2017, 17:52
Saw it today, too long, way too long. The story could have been told much quicker. Depressing film. Music score awful. Acting was fine, the action scenes what there was were fine but .... I am on the fence as to whether I like it or don't like it.

The opinion I've been waiting on... :)
My experience Neil with films that leave you like that after an initial viewing are slow burners and can take a while?
Worth a second viewing maybe?

Did you prefer Ghost in the Shell?

Disappointed to hear about the score mind you, lost a bit of excitment for it when I heard Zimmer had taken over the reigns.
As much as I the Hans' stuff (Planet Earth II themes amongst his best work imo) he's not the only composer in town and I wished they'd took more of a chance.
The original composer for it (big fan of his) might have been a bit less awful.

There was a series of three short films building up to 2049 backstory, the last one being Anime similar to the Animatrix and the score blew my socks off.
Get that guy!
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Dont want to hear score before I see the film.

YNWaN
10-10-2017, 18:23
Ghost in the Shell was very disappointing in my opinion. I saw Blade Runner 2049 last Sunday and it's a far superior film than Ghost in the Shell. It is very long and rather downbeat (but then so was the original). The premise is more adventurous than the original and its pretty epic in every sense.

zygote23
10-10-2017, 18:31
Ghost in the shell was dreadful all round...far too much CGI action which just serves to distract from what was an ok story.

I have the BR 2049 OST here and can say I am glad Johannssen was ditched. Much as I love his work I feel he, like Richter is producing far too much samey music at present. The Wallfisch/Zimmer score ticks all the boxes with me and has just enough of a Nod to some of the Motifs from the original score.

I'm looking forward to many viewings of 2049!

Gazjam
10-10-2017, 18:35
I loved the Manga original, didnt get on at all with the Hollywood remake.
Made me want to rewatch the original again.

Best thing about it was seeing the schoolteacher from Battle Royal again! :)

Gazjam
10-10-2017, 18:42
Have to say I hear you on what your saying on Johannsson, as good as Arrival was He really needs another Sicario to remind people just what he can do.

Love Max Richter, (his Leftovers score was tremendous) but his works very much a niche...you know what to expect and you want more of it.

Looking forward to seeing the film with an open mind, despite the original film being in my top 3 and having 8 versions of Vangelis' score! (Esper being my favourite)

zygote23
10-10-2017, 18:51
Have to say I hear you on what your saying on Johannsson, as good as Arrival was He really needs another Sicario to remind people just what he can do.

Love Max Richter, (his Leftovers score was tremendous) but his works very much a niche...you know what to expect and you want more of it.

Looking forward to seeing the film with an open mind, despite the original film being in my top 3 and having 8 versions of Vangelis' score! (Esper being my favourite)

I love Esper edition though I've only managed a pinched version ;)
As for Vangelis...I have pretty much listened to L'Apocalypse des Animaux every night before I sleep for the past 20 odd years!

Spectral Morn
11-10-2017, 05:00
The opinion I've been waiting on... :)
My experience Neil with films that leave you like that after an initial viewing are slow burners and can take a while?
Worth a second viewing maybe?

Did you prefer Ghost in the Shell?

Disappointed to hear about the score mind you, lost a bit of excitment for it when I heard Zimmer had taken over the reigns.
As much as I the Hans' stuff (Planet Earth II themes amongst his best work imo) he's not the only composer in town and I wished they'd took more of a chance.
The original composer for it (big fan of his) might have been a bit less awful.

There was a series of three short films building up to 2049 backstory, the last one being Anime similar to the Animatrix and the score blew my socks off.
Get that guy!
rrZk9sSgRyQ



Dont want to hear score before I see the film.

Still have to see it, so no idea as to how bad or good it is. I have the anime but never got round to watching it.

Another issue is the dating, way too futuristic for such a short gap in time compared to now. Big mistake dating anything, space 1999 anyone lol

rigger67
11-10-2017, 15:02
My take on the movie - and the original is my favourite of all time - is that it's not long enough.
There's too many questions and plot-holes, though the plot is excellent. Or at least the basic premise is and allows enough scope to explain why Deckard would still be alive in 2049, and the way the replicants changed in the intervening years. That was a stroke of genius and kept the audience guessing throughout.

Stylistically, it's absolutely spot on - flawlessly faithful from a visual point of view.
I love the costumes, the details in the architecture, design, technology and so on.
For the first 30-40 minutes it feels like a tribute film to the original - and that's no bad thing when you're tackling a cult classic. The cult classic.

The sound leaves a little to desire : I lost three, maybe four lines of dialogue because the speech was muffled. One of them was repeated, which made me think it may be deliberate, as if to ramp up the nihilism in this dystopian smogfest of a city, but I don't know .. especially when the little captions reading "Los Angeles" and the like were so bloody small as to be illegible without using that zoomy photographic gadget from the first film ;)

I liked the music.
It was in keeping and yet more. A little bombastic when needed, which was a welcome change of pace, but again faithful to Vangelis' vision.


The questions I have revolve mainly around the antagonist, played by Jared Lato.
Also about a scene late on involving a chase with the flying cars - that felt too easy to me.
Plus the final showdown was a little bit lame.

I came out of there happy with the canon being respected but wanting more by way of explanation and expansion.
I hope there's a director's cut with another hour or so.
I want to know more about Wallace, about Luv, about the girl behind the glass, about those memories .. I just want more.

zygote23
11-10-2017, 15:11
Another issue is the dating, way too futuristic for such a short gap in time compared to now. Big mistake dating anything, space 1999 anyone lol

Nitpick much :p

Macca
11-10-2017, 18:32
Nitpick much :p

Yeah Space 1999 is off limits. Neil knows that.

Good review that was Paul. Whetted my appetite. I'm one of the odd ones out who liked the original original, the one with the narration, the best.

Spectral Morn
12-10-2017, 11:15
Yeah Space 1999 is off limits. Neil knows that.

Good review that was Paul. Whetted my appetite. I'm one of the odd ones out who liked the original original, the one with the narration, the best.

I love Space 1999, first season and some of the second, but predicting the future and how it will look is always very risky, so in my view putting any date on a thing is suicidal, re credibility - if the gap between now and then isn't huge. I struggled to get past the date which is only 30 years from now.

I will watch it again, but I really didn't like the music it was too atonal, and avant-garde for me.

struth
12-10-2017, 11:18
space 1999? thats going back is it not? 70's was it

Macca
12-10-2017, 11:21
'72 to '74 I think.

It's precursor, 'UFO' was set in 1990

struth
12-10-2017, 11:25
'72 to '74 I think.

It's precursor, 'UFO' was set in 1990

could have been... lost in space was in 60's and I used to watch that on occasion, mainly for the evil and twisted Dr Smith and the daft robot..."Warning Warning Will Robinson" :eyebrows:

Macca
12-10-2017, 11:25
Lost in Space was just a kid's show. Not in the same league.

Spectral Morn
12-10-2017, 11:52
Lost in Space was just a kid's show. Not in the same league.

True, but it has its charms.

Spectral Morn
12-10-2017, 11:52
'72 to '74 I think.

It's precursor, 'UFO' was set in 1990

Love UFO as well.

rigger67
12-10-2017, 13:03
UFO and Blake's 7 - the two finest sci-fi shows ever, IMHO.

Both low-budget, bleak, dystopian and completely character driven and - more important than anything - extremely dark yet often funny.

I once met Avon (Paul Darrow) when I worked for Virgin on Oxford Street and he was camp as Christmas - a proper luvvie. Really nice guy who didn't mind talking about the show and even shot me "that look" at one point as if to prove he could still be Avon if he wanted to be ..
I also got to have a play with one of the original guns from the show when guesting on a local radio station down here. One of the jocks used to work at the Beeb and he managed to pilfer it, complete with curly phone cord :)


Getting back to the point about the "future" not being realistic given that the new Blade Runner is only set in 2049, I would ask the poster to remember that it's a fictional universe in which we already have replicants round about now, given the original was set in 2019. So a leap through - presumably, though it's not explained - a nuclear war that ravages the west coast of the USA and on to the slum conditions of a new Los Angeles isn't so far removed is it ??
Look at Grenfell. Imagine a city full of places like that and sadly you're already there ..

Macca
12-10-2017, 14:46
UFO and Blake's 7 - the two finest sci-fi shows ever, IMHO.

Both low-budget, bleak, dystopian and completely character driven and - more important than anything - extremely dark yet often funny.

I once met Avon (Paul Darrow) when I worked for Virgin on Oxford Street and he was camp as Christmas - a proper luvvie. Really nice guy who didn't mind talking about the show and even shot me "that look" at one point as if to prove he could still be Avon if he wanted to be ..
I also got to have a play with one of the original guns from the show when guesting on a local radio station down here. One of the jocks used to work at the Beeb and he managed to pilfer it, complete with curly phone cord :)
.

I read that by the final series so many of the 'guns' had been pinched by cast and crew that they had to share the last remaining one between all of them, swapping it over between shots.

rigger67
12-10-2017, 15:03
I read that by the final series so many of the 'guns' had been pinched by cast and crew that they had to share the last remaining one between all of them, swapping it over between shots.

Well, at least you can make your own teleport bracelet :eyebrows:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4BR4jgCFAc

Spectral Morn
12-10-2017, 15:15
UFO and Blake's 7 - the two finest sci-fi shows ever, IMHO.

Both low-budget, bleak, dystopian and completely character driven and - more important than anything - extremely dark yet often funny.

I once met Avon (Paul Darrow) when I worked for Virgin on Oxford Street and he was camp as Christmas - a proper luvvie. Really nice guy who didn't mind talking about the show and even shot me "that look" at one point as if to prove he could still be Avon if he wanted to be ..
I also got to have a play with one of the original guns from the show when guesting on a local radio station down here. One of the jocks used to work at the Beeb and he managed to pilfer it, complete with curly phone cord :)


Getting back to the point about the "future" not being realistic given that the new Blade Runner is only set in 2049, I would ask the poster to remember that it's a fictional universe in which we already have replicants round about now, given the original was set in 2019. So a leap through - presumably, though it's not explained - a nuclear war that ravages the west coast of the USA and on to the slum conditions of a new Los Angeles isn't so far removed is it ??
Look at Grenfell. Imagine a city full of places like that and sadly you're already there ..

I think its a question of film makers making inaccurate leaps at predicting possible futures, after all Blade Runner was made in 1982 and they may have thought 40 years on things would be like their vision. NOT.

I like the original film, but the first voice over version :sofa: Great noir film.

I like Blake Seven as well.

User211
12-10-2017, 18:28
The coolest bit was the concept of a replicant in love with a hologram who gets the hologram to merge with a prostitute replicant so he can fuck her.

Kwality.

rigger67
13-10-2017, 08:35
The coolest bit was the concept of a replicant in love with a hologram who gets the hologram to merge with a prostitute replicant so he can fuck her.

Kwality.

You have a way with words, mate :D

Barry
13-10-2017, 21:28
Obviously they hadn't developed the "hard light bee" (of Red Dwarf fame; giving the Rimmer's hologram substance) in 2049!

stairpost
17-01-2018, 11:33
I completely misjudged it after seeing the trailer, I thought it was going to be dreadful but I actually really enjoyed it. It looked fantastic and for me it blended perfectly with my memory of Blade runner. The design was superb and felt like a hugely important part of the film. It couldn't escape without having a few tinges of modern film making in it but on the whole I liked how 'classic' it felt.

Tim
20-01-2018, 10:50
Absolutely stunning film, not only my film of the year for 2017, but now amongst my favourites of all time. I saw it 7 times, IMAX, Superscreen, 3D and 2D - I can't think of anything I didn't like?

Visually I found it quite breathtaking, but you do need a big screen to really immerse yourself in it. The soundtrack is also a bit special, true to the original but matched seamlessly with the new landscape of 2049. I'm a big fan of Denis Villeneuves' work and this is no exception, I thought the plot worked, the characters worked and there's enough hanging to make another if they want to, which I hope they do. Outstanding performances too from Gosling, Robin Wright and Sylvia Hoeks.

Cinema at it's very best for me.

Gazjam
20-01-2018, 13:07
Looking forward to seeing it in 4K.
Avoided (mostly) anything other than the first reveal trailer, so going in pretty cold.

Movie night booked in February when it comes out, double feature back to back Blade Runner then 2049.
Getting the popcorn in!

Tim
20-01-2018, 17:42
Have you not seen it at all yet Gaz?

Covenant
20-01-2018, 17:48
Looking forward to seeing it in 4K.
Avoided (mostly) anything other than the first reveal trailer, so going in pretty cold.

Movie night booked in February when it comes out, double feature back to back Blade Runner then 2049.
Getting the popcorn in!The trailers are useful for explaining the characters
Hope your watching it in an imax theater.


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Gazjam
20-01-2018, 18:17
Missed its run at the Cinema Jerry unfortunately, best I can do is the 4k version at home, shouldnt be too bad.

Never seen it Tim, deliberately avoided all reviews when I could.
Couple of things leaked out (dammit) but still going in pretty cold.

Tim
20-01-2018, 20:00
Ah, that's a shame. I'm sure you'll still enjoy it, but on a 200m² screen with dual 4K projectors and Dolby Atmos, it's almost overwhelming it's so good. You are totally lost in the experience. First time I saw it I was so gob-smacked I went straight back in for the next showing! Never done that before.

Maybe sit 2 feet from the screen with headphones on in a totally dark room, that should get you there ;)

Amazing you have managed to miss all the spoilers, that must have taken some doing.

(they all die in the end and the butler did it :lol:)

Gazjam
20-01-2018, 21:27
Tim You spoliery bastard... :)

Ive seen Blade Runner literally 50+ times and still enjoy it, hence my holding off for the sequel to probably one of my top 3 films.
Bummed out I never saw it in Imax, that’ll teach me...look back on the films I DID see and say yup...that Cinema classic, I SAW that in the Cinema!

Interstellar?
Saw that 3 times in Imax the same day....knew I was seeing something significant.
Should have made fhe effort with 2049.

That was good, but nothing on seeing Donner’s Superman when it came out...I believed.




Ah, that's a shame. I'm sure you'll still enjoy it, but on a 200m² screen with dual 4K projectors and Dolby Atmos, it's almost overwhelming it's so good. You are totally lost in the experience. First time I saw it I was so gob-smacked I went straight back in for the next showing! Never done that before.

Maybe sit 2 feet from the screen with headphones on in a totally dark room, that should get you there ;)

Amazing you have managed to miss all the spoilers, that must have taken some doing.

(they all die in the end and the butler did it :lol:)

struth
20-01-2018, 22:04
Got the bluray on order too. Forgot when it comes out but looking forward to it

Macca
20-01-2018, 22:26
Tim You spoliery bastard... :)

Ive seen Blade Runner literally 50+ times and still enjoy it, hence my holding off for the sequel to probably one of my top 3 films.
Bummed out I never saw it in Imax, that’ll teach me...look back on the films I DID see and say yup...that Cinema classic, I SAW that in the Cinema!

.

Hah yes there is something in that.

Minstrel SE
25-01-2018, 23:31
Do we really need to see things on a giant cinema screen? Whats wrong with a 50" HD flatscreen with the headphones on? Get the lighting in the room right and its really immersive.

I dont believe you can take everything in on a cinema screen and you need the best seats. The sound may be on an epic scale but its all too much sometimes

Nice glass of refreshment with home comfort and nobody else bothering you. Anyway when it comes to the bargain bins I will be picking it up :)

narabdela
27-01-2018, 18:49
Do we really need to see things on a giant cinema screen?


Yes! A thousand times yes!

Tim
28-01-2018, 22:12
Yes! A thousand times yes!
+1

Yup, some films just don't have the same impact at home, no matter what you do. But, it's very film dependent, for some films it makes no odds. Films like Blade Runner 2049 however, most definitely, with bells on. On an IMAX it's overwhelming. The scale of both it's visual impact and the sound scape it creates is visceral - not been so moved by a film in ages. I get the best seats too, as I always prebook.

As much as some people can't understand why it's important, I don't understand why they don't get it. If you're not that into films though, then stay at home. Some folk are just lazy or don't like crowds, which I also understand, my mates wife loves films but going to the cinema stresses her out - each to their own. Some films with a live audience are much more enjoyable because of the reaction.

I enjoy live experiences, be that concerts, theatre or films - I'll keep on getting that buzz until I'm too old/unable to enjoy it, then I'll stay at home with my pipe and slippers.

Marco
28-01-2018, 23:04
Yo Timbo,

I'm with you on the going to the flicks thing - sometimes nothing else will do, including enjoying an overpriced hot dog! :eyebrows:

Also, although I missed Blade Runner 2049, when it was on the cinema (but have pre-ordered the 4K Blu-ray), and don't doubt for a second that it was utterly epic, may I ask if you have a quality home-cinema set-up at home?

If this is old news, and you have, then apologies as I've never discussed this with you. So if the answer is yes, then what is your set-up, and in your opinion how much worse generally is the move experience at home, compared with what you enjoy at the flicks?

It's just that after having had a quality home-cinema system in my lounge for a couple of years now, and optimising it (further recently with the addition of a superb Sony UBP-X800 4K Blu-ray player, equipped with Dolby Atmos/DTS-X, which matches my Sony AV amp), I'm never disappointed with the effect I get with movies, compared with that at the cinema.

Yes, the massive screen there has a significant bearing on proceedings, and the accompanying sound at the best cinemas is superb - *BUT* the latter isn't massively better than what I enjoy at home, and certainly the twin Yamaha 12-inch subs, used in conjunction with my Celestion Ditton 15XRs fronts, and UL6 centre speaker [all with ABR-enhanced bass]/Gale surrounds, all carefully positioned in a reasonably small room (and optimsed for best sound), provide suitable ribcage rattling impact/sparking clarity and gravitas to make movies come alive, so I'm never left feeling wanting, comparing it with the 'cinema experience'...

Yes, there are areas where the latter is undoubtedly better, as you'd expect, but not enough to make my modest set-up at home sound 'broken' in comparison.

Making sure that the room you're using is good, sonically, and that the speaker system used 'drives' it optimally, to create a beautifully seamless, immersive sound, and the picture quality from your chosen TV is top-notch (4K HDR resolution), with the colours all properly calibrated, and it goes a long way towards leveling the playing field, in comparison with the effect you get at the cinema.

I'd say that my home system gets around 85% of the way there... That last 15% I can live without, and is probably made up for by the fact I can enjoy the experience in total peace and quiet, minus the noise of folk whispering/farting and munching nachos, whilst relaxing in my recliner chair with a glass of my favourite tipple! :eyebrows:;)

Marco.

struth
28-01-2018, 23:36
Got bluray on order for boy. 5th Feb it comes

Marco
28-01-2018, 23:42
Nice one, mate. He should love it. The picture quality on that little Sony player is fab! :)

Marco.

ff1d1l
29-01-2018, 11:20
Saw Bladerunner 2049 a little after it came out in the Liverpool IMAX.
Should be called VOLMAX
The picture was truly fantastic, but the sound was very disappointing - way too loud, as though they had something to prove, all audio verisimilitude out the window. And on top of that at least two of the surround drivers were rattling, probably shagged by the stupidly loud levels. I'd think very hard before coughing up for the IMAX experience again.

Marco
29-01-2018, 12:01
Well, there you go... Clearly the results enjoyed are highly dependent on the cinema you go and see the film in. Things are rather more consistent at home! ;)

Marco.

wee tee cee
29-01-2018, 12:43
I loved the original.

Went to the new one and did something ive never done before....I walked out.

Even before Harrison Ford appeared.

Huge disappointment for me

Marco
29-01-2018, 22:00
I've got this available to rent now, for £9.99, from Sky Movies, but I'm going to wait for release of the 4K Blu-ray.

Marco.

Gazjam
29-01-2018, 22:05
I've got this available to rent now, for £9.99, from Sky Movies, but I'm going to wait for release of the 4K Blu-ray.

Marco.

I approve this message. :)

You only get one chance to see things your looking forward to the first time, and Blade Runner (to me) is such a visual medium.
4K bluray for me too.

Macca
29-01-2018, 22:27
My great memories of going to the cinema are all from the '70s and '80s. One big screen, huge auditorium with a balcony. Always packed and a real atmosphere. Queuing to get in only heightened the tension.

First the adverts: Pearl and Dean. Smoke from the smoking section would already be hanging in the projector beam. Then the crackly commercial for the Indian Restaurant. There's a pube stuck on the camera lens in some shots, but what the hell, this was the '70s so they used them anyway. Then the lights go back up and they flog you ice creams. Then lights down again and time for the first feature. Usually this would be that film where they rescue the blind pit ponies, but occasionally they would put on the documentary on North Sea oil.

Lights go back up, more ice cream selling,

Finally it goes dark again. Everyone knows this is it so they scramble back to their seats, a hush descends. But no! First it is 'Coming Soon!' ' A U trailer advertising an X rated film'. Usually a horror or sci-fi horror you were too young to be able to go and see. But women would be screaming just from the trailer.

And so, at last, the 'British Board Of Film Censors' notice would come up for the film that you actually came to see. We are a couple of hours in now already. Cue dozens of cat calls and wolf-whistles and cheers. At last! Not only have you paid for this but by now you have fucking-well earned it.

Regardless of how good or bad the film was, coming out was like leaving a football match that you won: a huge crowd shuffling to the exits, everyone on a high. Getting back out onto the street was weird: you'd been in there for that long that the outside world now seemed a strange, alien place that you only barely remembered.

That was an event, easily surpassing what you can have at home, no matter how big your screen or how good the picture or sound. But going to the cinema today is not like that at all anymore.

Marco
29-01-2018, 23:06
Good post, mate. I have similar fond memories, from back in the say, of going to the cinema.

Circle or stalls (loved going upstairs to the circle, and sitting right at the front, so you could flick stuff, rolled-up sweetie wrappers, etc, at the folk below:eyebrows:), and being shown to your seat, by a member of staff with a torch, girls selling ice-cream on trays with shoulder straps, pre-main film, and also during the interval - all good stuff, making today's cinema experience pretty soulless in comparison....

Marco.

stairpost
29-01-2018, 23:10
My great memories of going to the cinema are all from the '70s and '80s. One big screen, huge auditorium with a balcony. Always packed and a real atmosphere. Queuing to get in only heightened the tension.

First the adverts: Pearl and Dean. Smoke from the smoking section would already be hanging in the projector beam. Then the crackly commercial for the Indian Restaurant. There's a pube stuck on the camera lens in some shots, but what the hell, this was the '70s so they used them anyway. Then the lights go back up and they flog you ice creams. Then lights down again and time for the first feature. Usually this would be that film where they rescue the blind pit ponies, but occasionally they would put on the documentary on North Sea oil.

Lights go back up, more ice cream selling,

Finally it goes dark again. Everyone knows this is it so they scramble back to their seats, a hush descends. But no! First it is 'Coming Soon!' ' A U trailer advertising an X rated film'. Usually a horror or sci-fi horror you were too young to be able to go and see. But women would be screaming just from the trailer.

And so, at last, the 'British Board Of Film Censors' notice would come up for the film that you actually came to see. We are a couple of hours in now already. Cue dozens of cat calls and wolf-whistles and cheers. At last! Not only have you paid for this but by now you have fucking-well earned it.

Regardless of how good or bad the film was, coming out was like leaving a football match that you won: a huge crowd shuffling to the exits, everyone on a high. Getting back out onto the street was weird: you'd been in there for that long that the outside world now seemed a strange, alien place that you only barely remembered.

That was an event, easily surpassing what you can have at home, no matter how big your screen or how good the picture or sound. But going to the cinema today is not like that at all anymore.

Well, that was a real trip down memory lane. Reading that bought memories flooding back, I could feel the atmosphere. You have made me realise how sterile a trip to the cinema is these days.

JimC
01-02-2018, 19:34
Just had an email saying my Blu-Ray is on its way.

Excited !!!!!

Jim

Ian7633
02-02-2018, 01:59
My great memories of going to the cinema are all from the '70s and '80s. One big screen, huge auditorium with a balcony. Always packed and a real atmosphere. Queuing to get in only heightened the tension.

First the adverts: Pearl and Dean. Smoke from the smoking section would already be hanging in the projector beam. Then the crackly commercial for the Indian Restaurant. There's a pube stuck on the camera lens in some shots, but what the hell, this was the '70s so they used them anyway. Then the lights go back up and they flog you ice creams. Then lights down again and time for the first feature. Usually this would be that film where they rescue the blind pit ponies, but occasionally they would put on the documentary on North Sea oil.

Lights go back up, more ice cream selling,

Finally it goes dark again. Everyone knows this is it so they scramble back to their seats, a hush descends. But no! First it is 'Coming Soon!' ' A U trailer advertising an X rated film'. Usually a horror or sci-fi horror you were too young to be able to go and see. But women would be screaming just from the trailer.

And so, at last, the 'British Board Of Film Censors' notice would come up for the film that you actually came to see. We are a couple of hours in now already. Cue dozens of cat calls and wolf-whistles and cheers. At last! Not only have you paid for this but by now you have fucking-well earned it.

Regardless of how good or bad the film was, coming out was like leaving a football match that you won: a huge crowd shuffling to the exits, everyone on a high. Getting back out onto the street was weird: you'd been in there for that long that the outside world now seemed a strange, alien place that you only barely remembered.

That was an event, easily surpassing what you can have at home, no matter how big your screen or how good the picture or sound. But going to the cinema today is not like that at all anymore.

That really is as it was, we also had the bonus that the fire doors at the back of the local ABC cinema opened into the bus depot and people used them to leave rather than queue for the main doors. Those of us " in the know " would hang around waiting for the doors to open and in we'd go. I lost count of how many times I saw Jaws lol.

struth
02-02-2018, 03:30
One of our cinemas was called the flea pit for good reason.
We were always a cinematic family. My grandad had 3 silent movie cinemas.

Good post Martin. We had similar experiences

Barry
02-02-2018, 22:40
My great memories of going to the cinema are all from the '70s and '80s. One big screen, huge auditorium with a balcony. Always packed and a real atmosphere. Queuing to get in only heightened the tension.

First the adverts: Pearl and Dean. Smoke from the smoking section would already be hanging in the projector beam. Then the crackly commercial for the Indian Restaurant. There's a pube stuck on the camera lens in some shots, but what the hell, this was the '70s so they used them anyway. Then the lights go back up and they flog you ice creams. Then lights down again and time for the first feature. Usually this would be that film where they rescue the blind pit ponies, but occasionally they would put on the documentary on North Sea oil.

Lights go back up, more ice cream selling,

Finally it goes dark again. Everyone knows this is it so they scramble back to their seats, a hush descends. But no! First it is 'Coming Soon!' ' A U trailer advertising an X rated film'. Usually a horror or sci-fi horror you were too young to be able to go and see. But women would be screaming just from the trailer.

And so, at last, the 'British Board Of Film Censors' notice would come up for the film that you actually came to see. We are a couple of hours in now already. Cue dozens of cat calls and wolf-whistles and cheers. At last! Not only have you paid for this but by now you have fucking-well earned it.

Regardless of how good or bad the film was, coming out was like leaving a football match that you won: a huge crowd shuffling to the exits, everyone on a high. Getting back out onto the street was weird: you'd been in there for that long that the outside world now seemed a strange, alien place that you only barely remembered.

That was an event, easily surpassing what you can have at home, no matter how big your screen or how good the picture or sound. But going to the cinema today is not like that at all anymore.

Excellent and evocative post Martin.

Did you, as a youngster, go to the Saturday matinees? Starting with a 'sing-along' (which no-one did), then a cartoon or two, followed by a serial (Flash Gordon or Zorro), then the 'main feature'. All for the sum of 1s/6d (7.5p).

Gazjam
05-02-2018, 10:37
4K Bluray arriving today from Amazon.
Saving it for the Weekend, looking forward to it will be a treat.

struth
05-02-2018, 10:41
4K Bluray arriving today from Amazon.
Saving it for the Weekend, looking forward to it will be a treat.

son's bluray just through post. he will enjoy it i'm sure

hornucopia
06-02-2018, 14:32
"Regardless of how good or bad the film was, coming out was like leaving a football match that you won: a huge crowd shuffling to the exits, everyone on a high. Getting back out onto the street was weird: you'd been in there for that long that the outside world now seemed a strange, alien place that you only barely remembered."

I vividly recall coming out of a Fellini film -you aesthetes will know-they're WEIRD! - and there was a torrential storm outside-so it DID seem rather mind-blowing!


Was just talking about B-Runner2 this morning. Being 'careful with money', I've reserved it at Library!
Support your local library! Here in Bristol, Council aka, elected dictator-mayor, is trying to close HALF our libraries!

rigger67
07-02-2018, 09:52
I vividly recall coming out of a Fellini film -you aesthetes will know-they're WEIRD! - and there was a torrential storm outside-so it DID seem rather mind-blowing!



Funnily enough, I watched 8 1/2 on my own at the riverfront cinema in Bristol a couple of years ago and I know exactly what you mean.

There were times when I just wanted to walk out, thinking it was utter w@nkery but then it picked up again and towards the end I thought it was a masterpiece.
Need to sit through it again though as I'm sure it's one of those pictures where you miss lots of little nuggets first time round.

Oh, and purely for the lovely Ms Cardinale of course :eyebrows:

Ali Tait
07-02-2018, 11:53
4K Bluray arriving today from Amazon.
Saving it for the Weekend, looking forward to it will be a treat.

You’ll love it mate.

Covenant
11-02-2018, 17:22
4K Bluray arriving today from Amazon.
Saving it for the Weekend, looking forward to it will be a treat.

C'mon then Gaz, what did you think about it?

Gazjam
18-02-2018, 17:54
Disappointing.

One scene (and it was a scene shot for the teaser Trailer) made me feel i was back in the Blade Runner universe, and it literally lasted less than 5 seconds.

Get where they were going with it, but kept thinking "How would Ridley Scott have done this" and constantly saw how "flat" the visuals were in comparison.
Putting running water to cast shadows on the back wall isn't the same as what Ridley did...
Difference in Directorial style for sure, Prisoners and Sicario were superb...but they weren't close to Blade Runner.

Happy to be have been there back in the Day when art was made, Alien too...but unfortunately 2049 doesn't compare...or Covenant.
No fault of all the artists involved, you just cant catch lightning in a bottle twice.

Both films stand apart, happily I can re-watch Blade Runner knowing its a standalone cinematic event.
Selling my 4K HDR disc, no intention to watch it again.

struth
18-02-2018, 18:00
Thats a shame. Funny but i kinda preferred the second film although i get where your coming from, but i wasnt so hot on first so took second at face value.

Tim
18-02-2018, 18:05
Oh that is a shame Gaz after you had been looking forward to it so much. I wonder if you would have felt the same seeing it in an IMAX?

I can't help thinking it's a cinematic experience only film, I think it would be very flat at home. I also wonder if the hype and ravings from some of us may have had a sub-concious effect, I saw it without knowing a thing, which is my preferred way of seeing a film.

Still my best film of 2017.

brian2957
18-02-2018, 20:58
Disappointing.

One scene (and it was a scene shot for the teaser Trailer) made me feel i was back in the Blade Runner universe, and it literally lasted less than 5 seconds.

Get where they were going with it, but kept thinking "How would Ridley Scott have done this" and constantly saw how "flat" the visuals were in comparison.
Putting running water to cast shadows on the back wall isn't the same as what Ridley did...
Difference in Directorial style for sure, Prisoners and Sicario were superb...but they weren't close to Blade Runner.

Happy to be have been there back in the Day when art was made, Alien too...but unfortunately 2049 doesn't compare...or Covenant.
No fault of all the artists involved, you just cant catch lightning in a bottle twice.

Both films stand apart, happily I can re-watch Blade Runner knowing its a standalone cinematic event.
Selling my 4K HDR disc, no intention to watch it again.

That's not good mate :( I know how much you were looking forward to this film .

JimC
18-02-2018, 23:23
Just finished the 5th watch this evening. Love it !!

Not as good as the first but a worthy sequel I think.

Jim.

P.S. Got the soundtrack too, sounds great.

Gazjam
19-02-2018, 06:37
Ach...
Maybe on a rewatch it'll bed in a bit better who knows.
(yes I've changed my mind on rewatching it :))

I take the two movies as separate stories in the same world, with a link between them.
Doesn't stop Blade Runner being what it is, and 2049 does have good stuff going for it.

Gazjam
19-02-2018, 06:38
Just finished the 5th watch this evening. Love it !!

Not as good as the first but a worthy sequel I think.

Jim.

P.S. Got the soundtrack too, sounds great.

Crikey! :eek:

Soundtrack works in the context of the movie I think, but as a stand alone piece of music not so much.
Like the movie itself, it just makes me want to go back to the original work.

Have about 6 versions of Vangelis' original music including all the bootlegs over the years, guess the new one never stood a chance!

JimC
19-02-2018, 10:46
Crikey! :eek:

That wasn't 5 times in one evening !!:eyebrows: Just the 5th time since getting the Disc :lol:


Soundtrack works in the context of the movie I think, but as a stand alone piece of music not so much.
Like the movie itself, it just makes me want to go back to the original work.

Agreed, it's no Vangelis, but it is good and I do think it works as a stand-alone work, but only after I program the player to get rid of Frank and Elvis. I like a bit of Frank and some of Elvis but if you skip those tracks, turn the lights off and the HiFi up, it really does work. Those Bass notes :eek:

Jim

struth
19-02-2018, 10:48
i'd keep frank and elvis and dump the rest:eek:

JimC
19-02-2018, 11:50
i'd keep frank and elvis and dump the rest:eek:


:doh: I'm shocked :doh: :lol:

alphaGT
19-02-2018, 12:24
I was a huge fan of the first movie, and had no trouble following it. And this sequel I thought was making sense right up to the end, but then it took a left turn, and I got lost. Why did he have the wooden toy if he was not the boy in his memories? And when he laid on the steps and died, I didn’t know if he was dead or just resting? A lot of holes in the plot they didn’t try to fill. But I will say that I enjoyed watching it, the visuals and the sound track, lots of action, perhaps if I watch it a few more times I can figure it out?

Russell

Tim
19-02-2018, 14:53
The Horse

The memory of placing the wooden horse in the old furnace was an implant, K thought he was a replicant but when he found the wooden horse he questioned whether he was human, or a combination of the two from the mystery birth (the date on the tree and the horse). Which is why he went to find out if the memory was true or false from Dr. Ana Stelline (the creator of the memories), who is Deckard's daughter. That memory was actually hers and she placed the horse in the furnace. The memory was implanted into K to try and protect her - so as far as the records were concerned she was dead. This neatly tied that subterfuge off, as even K, tasked to find and destroy the missing child, believed it to be him.

The horse is symbolic, representing K's search for his soul and a desire to be human - wanting to be born and not made, this thread weaves through the plot subtly, but becomes clear when you can link them from repeated viewings.

Don't want to explain much more, for fear of revealing too much for those that either haven't worked it out yet, or not seen it.

I think it's fairly safe to assume he died on the steps . . . . . or did he?

I've seen it 7 times, all at the cinema :D

JimC
19-02-2018, 14:56
...........Why did he have the wooden toy if he was not the boy in his memories?
I think that memory meant so much to ''the Child'' she implanted it in all the Replicants. The 'Pleasure' (?) Replicant, after spending the night with Joe saw the Horse on the cupboard next to the bed and said ''..it's from my Dream..''.


..And when he laid on the steps and died, I didn’t know if he was dead or just resting?
I think they were implying he was dead. The music playing was very similar to what was playing when Rutger Hauer's character in the first film died.

That's the way I took both those points......could be wrong, but they work in my head !!!!

Jim

JimC
19-02-2018, 15:00
Replied at the same time as you Tim:)

Tim
19-02-2018, 15:02
:)

Tis' a cracking film, in my top 10 of all time.

mikeyb
19-02-2018, 17:33
If anyone fancies a LTD (2500 worldwide) vinyl version of the soundtrack drop me a PM.

I've two copies to get rid of with a bent corner on the sleeve. LPs are perfect, one still sealed and one opened and played once.

alphaGT
19-02-2018, 21:12
The Horse

The memory of placing the wooden horse in the old furnace was an implant, K thought he was a replicant but when he found the wooden horse he questioned whether he was human, or a combination of the two from the mystery birth (the date on the tree and the horse). Which is why he went to find out if the memory was true or false from Dr. Ana Stelline (the creator of the memories), who is Deckard's daughter. That memory was actually hers and she placed the horse in the furnace. The memory was implanted into K to try and protect her - so as far as the records were concerned she was dead. This neatly tied that subterfuge off, as even K, tasked to find and destroy the missing child, believed it to be him.

The horse is symbolic, representing K's search for his soul and a desire to be human - wanting to be born and not made, this thread weaves through the plot subtly, but becomes clear when you can link them from repeated viewings.

Don't want to explain much more, for fear of revealing too much for those that either haven't worked it out yet, or not seen it.

I think it's fairly safe to assume he died on the steps . . . . . or did he?

I've seen it 7 times, all at the cinema :D

I’m glad you explained it, I don’t think more viewings would have cleared that up for me! A serious plot twist. I did see the other wooden animals in the hotel, supposedly carved by Decker.

Russell

alphaGT
19-02-2018, 21:14
I think that memory meant so much to ''the Child'' she implanted it in all the Replicants. The 'Pleasure' (?) Replicant, after spending the night with Joe saw the Horse on the cupboard next to the bed and said ''..it's from my Dream..''.


I think they were implying he was dead. The music playing was very similar to what was playing when Rutger Hauer's character in the first film died.

That's the way I took both those points......could be wrong, but they work in my head !!!!

Jim

Again, I’m glad you caught that, the music as a clue to his death went right over my head. Very sharp! But it’s been many a year since I’ve seen the first movie, I’d never have caught that.

Russell

Tim
19-02-2018, 23:04
It's the type of film I really enjoy - you need to think and often don't quite get it from one viewing, then when it clicks, you can start to enjoy other elements like the sound/lighting, visuals and acting. Seeing it just once, especially on a big screen can be overwhelming and hard to follow as there's so much to take in.

The music at the end was a master stroke, but you would only get that if you had seen the first film and fully understood what Roy Batty was thinking as he died - the parallel of this scene with K dying is clearly intentional, reinforced by the music. Both replicants, both knowing their time is up and both valuing/envying the human life they never had - very poignant.

Master film making of the highest order - I'm in awe of both.

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JimC
20-02-2018, 07:50
.............But it’s been many a year since I’ve seen the first movie.....

Ooh, I foresee a back to back viewing coming up in Central Virginia sometime soon !! :)

Jim

Tim
20-02-2018, 08:03
You know it makes sense Russell :)

alphaGT
20-02-2018, 11:37
You know it makes sense Russell :)

Yes I saw the movie in the theater, my girl was snoring next to me, that could have distracted me from the finer points. Yes I think I need to watch the first and 2049 back to back, armed with the new information from you guys, should make it more engrossing.

Russell

WAD62
20-02-2018, 15:32
I received the 4K HDR blu-ray last weekend, and after a couple of views I think it's excellent :)

The original is still one of my all time favorites, so it was going to be tough to impress me, and difficult to remain faithful as a valid sequel, but it wins on both counts for me...I'm glad I bought the blu-ray as there is an awful lot more to glean from the film.

FWIW The first time I watched it I'd left the 'ambient light' setting on on my TV, however on the second view I watched it in the dark with the setting off, a much better 4K HDR experience...:cool:

Pieoftheday
20-02-2018, 15:34
Just going to watch it now, quiet at the back:)

Gazjam
20-02-2018, 19:43
Roy Batty says no...
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/blade-runner-2-review-rutger-hauer-sequel-tears-in-the-rain-roy-a8219176.html

JimC
20-02-2018, 20:04
Roy Batty says no...
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/blade-runner-2-review-rutger-hauer-sequel-tears-in-the-rain-roy-a8219176.html

Interesting.
I can see what he means but I still like it though.

J

Tim
21-02-2018, 09:15
Difficult to know if there's a touch of sour grapes, his observations are correct if you compare the two movies - but I don't think it was ever intended to be linear going from one to the other. Villeneuve has expanded on the original idea and explored a slightly different idea.

I love both films.

Covenant
21-02-2018, 09:25
No love, no humour, no soul he says. K was very much in love with his digital girlfriend, the scene with the dog quaffing a bowl of whiskey made me laugh and the part with those deprived children certainly touched my soul.:scratch:
Stick to improvising good end scenes Rutger.

wee tee cee
21-02-2018, 15:04
Roy Batty says no...
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/blade-runner-2-review-rutger-hauer-sequel-tears-in-the-rain-roy-a8219176.htmlI read that this morning and it was what I felt before I walked out.

I found it malevolently callous and cruel...really didn't sit right with me.

Its quite a divisive movie....glad some folks enjoyed it but im with Rutger on this one.

Pieoftheday
21-02-2018, 18:26
Well I liked it ok, wouldn't want to see it again