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Macca
13-07-2014, 10:51
I've always loved the styling of them. I'm half-tempted to take a punt on that pre-amp and see if I can match it with the power amp sometime down the line.

Mr Kipling
13-07-2014, 12:26
Infamous Philips 'Black Turnip' pre-amp, bit of a ding to the rack mount otherwise looks clean.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Philips-Black-Tulip-270-pre-amp-preamplifier-preamp-DAMAGED/321454910807?_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%2 6asc%3D24059%26meid%3D8281984020182177104%26pid%3D 100009%26prg%3D10244%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D32 1454465852

I nearly bought the pre and power from Emporium years ago when their prices were keen but I ummed and ahhed and someone got in there first. Always wanted to know if they were as bad as was claimed, I bet they aren't.

Well, they were Philips' top of the range line at one point.

Mr Kipling
13-07-2014, 12:40
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Fancied a pair of these for the last 30 years. Heard them on the end of a Rega 3 and Nait 1 - and was astounded by what came out of them. Anyway, finally got a pair for a bargain £30.

The Barbarian
13-07-2014, 13:14
Aye they use a stocking grill like the 'Pageant 3' & 'Festival 3' the wooden trim on the top just plugs with studs, you then just simple pull their pants down.. Kef also used the stocking grill in the '70's/'80's with their 'Concorde', 'Celeste' & 300 series models with the trumpet stands

Mr Kipling
13-07-2014, 13:24
Any idea how the bottom section is attached Andre'? There's 4 holes which appear to be for a mounting plate for stands. And the felt feet don't appear to hide any holes. I suppose it must be attached from the inside.

awkwardbydesign
13-07-2014, 13:37
I have a pair of the Carnival 3s, cost about £35 (was I robbed?) and they're not bad. I'm using them at the moment, while I finish the big speakers. No real bass, which is no surprise, but the cheap Audax tweeters let them down a bit, IMO. The tweeters used to sell for about £5 each, back in the day, and are a bit raw, which is why I never used them in any of my builds. Still, one of the speakers survived falling down the loft ladder with just a couple of tears in the sock, so probably good "student speakers". I wonder what other components would qualify?
However, I used them with a Vincent 993 power amp for a few days, and the bass was suddenly astonishing!

Mr Kipling
13-07-2014, 13:52
Well there didn't seem any shortage of bass listening to Pink Floyd's Time. And the dynamics and attack of Phil Collins But Sereiously… just left me in shock. I'm pretty sure the room played it's part.

The Barbarian
13-07-2014, 14:27
More Bass you need the 'Pageant 3'.. I still prefer the Aesthetics of the earlier 'Mk.I&II' in this range.. However the daddy was the 'Signifers'.

I can't remember how the bottom comes off i never tried. The wooden top is fitted on with studs & sockets just like a standard speaker grill would be fitted. The sock grill has a pull string like at the top..Not had a pair of 'Pageant 3' since the early 90's i do still have a pair of 'Mk.II's though. That 'DSB-208' bass unit is a good un..

istari_knight
13-07-2014, 17:57
More IMF's http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/141344375143?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

They're local but I wont be bidding.

Xapito
14-07-2014, 10:58
I have a pair of mint Pageant's Series 2 in one of my systems... just incredible, astonishingly good. They are getting more expensive lately but a long way to go, price wise, before their bargain status is defied. That's how good they are.

istari_knight
14-07-2014, 12:27
I've not heard one but if its anything like the babies of the range it'll be worth the £60 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TRIO-KA-2500-amplifier-/291190374806?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Amplifiers&hash=item43cc4c8196

The Barbarian
14-07-2014, 14:25
I have a pair of mint Pageant's Series 2 in one of my systems... just incredible, astonishingly good. They are getting more expensive lately but a long way to go, price wise, before their bargain status is defied. That's how good they are.

Yep that's why i kept mine. You just need to sort that crossover out..

The Barbarian
14-07-2014, 14:27
I've not heard one but if its anything like the babies of the range it'll be worth the £60 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TRIO-KA-2500-amplifier-/291190374806?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Amplifiers&hash=item43cc4c8196

I know everything about those brown faced 60's Trios'. I can tell you that 'KA2500' is a gud un.. You must service these, every single one i bought was noisey.

The Barbarian
14-07-2014, 14:32
Ive been a naughty boy today, something was incomplete so i spent some cutter mi bruvvers sorting it out so i could have a good nights sleep, just one more thing ive hopefully won when i get home from work toneet.

:D

Xapito
14-07-2014, 15:36
Andre, I'm about to recap the cross in the Pageant's. You mean a regular recap or change something in the network?

istari_knight
14-07-2014, 16:03
Felipe, its the inductors... They are terrible. Without a doubt the poorest I have ever seen :D

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c129/istari_knight9/PG_zps280a7472.png

Please note that C2 in the LF section [lower] should read C3 :doh:

walpurgis
14-07-2014, 16:38
I have a pair of mint Pageant's Series 2 in one of my systems... just incredible, astonishingly good. They are getting more expensive lately but a long way to go, price wise, before their bargain status is defied. That's how good they are.

Yes, people are beginning to latch onto these. Not surprising really, they are one of the nicest sounding compact (ish) speakers of their time. A future classic that's for sure (still prefer me Tannoys though).

The Barbarian
14-07-2014, 22:36
Ive been a naughty boy today, something was incomplete so i spent some cutter mi bruvvers sorting it out so i could have a good nights sleep, just one more thing ive hopefully won when i get home from work toneet.

:D

I won these could not help myself. I got one for each room nar :lol:

'33'/'FM3'/2X'50E'
'33'/'FM3'/'303'

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Quad-33-Phono-Pre-Amp-Processor-serial-number-27278-in-very-good-condition-/331257600038?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&_trksid=p2047675.l2557&nma=true&si=jF3cI%252FaA9enHLMbW42USyOYkdbg%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Quad-FM-tuner-model-FM3-serial-no-2500-/331257185381?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&_trksid=p2047675.l2557&nma=true&si=jF3cI%252FaA9enHLMbW42USyOYkdbg%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

walpurgis
14-07-2014, 22:39
I won these could not help myself. I got one for each room nar :lol:

'33'/'FM3'/2X'50E'
'33'/'FM3'/'303'

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Quad-33-Phono-Pre-Amp-Processor-serial-number-27278-in-very-good-condition-/331257600038?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&_trksid=p2047675.l2557&nma=true&si=jF3cI%252FaA9enHLMbW42USyOYkdbg%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Quad-FM-tuner-model-FM3-serial-no-2500-/331257185381?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&_trksid=p2047675.l2557&nma=true&si=jF3cI%252FaA9enHLMbW42USyOYkdbg%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

They look really nice Andr'e. Not dear either.

istari_knight
14-07-2014, 22:46
Lovely job ! You know I had a bid on that FM3... Sorry, I pushed the price up for you.

The Barbarian
14-07-2014, 22:47
Aye i was suprised i actually put an high bid of £120.00 for the '33' as i was at work when it ended..

istari_knight
15-07-2014, 15:57
DM4's came today... They are the later version & completely spotless.

I'm very happy :cool:

Mark Grant
15-07-2014, 16:04
A 12 volt power supply with one bidder so far:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Linear-Power-Supply-for-Cambridge-Audio-DacMagic-Plus-by-Squeeze-upgrade-/191241258680?pt=UK_Computing_Sound_Vision_Audio_Ca bles_Adapters&hash=item2c86de06b8

That will be perfect for a wide range of 12 volt devices and the seller should have a selection of power tips to fit different makes of kit, if not just ask me for some.

Looks he is clearing out his system.

The Barbarian
15-07-2014, 17:05
DM4's came today... They are the later version & completely spotless.

I'm very happy :cool:

Rock n Roll bruvver

:flasher:

istari_knight
15-07-2014, 17:15
Rock n Roll bruvver

:flasher:

:yesbruv: Pics to follow... That 60's Trio receiver also sounds fantastic, needs a service naturally but holy smokes those fella's knew what they were doing... How come I'm only just finding out !?

Barry
15-07-2014, 18:46
I won these could not help myself. I got one for each room nar :lol:

'33'/'FM3'/2X'50E'
'33'/'FM3'/'303'

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Quad-33-Phono-Pre-Amp-Processor-serial-number-27278-in-very-good-condition-/331257600038?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&_trksid=p2047675.l2557&nma=true&si=jF3cI%252FaA9enHLMbW42USyOYkdbg%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Quad-FM-tuner-model-FM3-serial-no-2500-/331257185381?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&_trksid=p2047675.l2557&nma=true&si=jF3cI%252FaA9enHLMbW42USyOYkdbg%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

Well done - they look to be in good nick. Will you be using them André, or are they to be put on show as hi-fi "sculpture"?

The Barbarian
15-07-2014, 19:47
Well done - they look to be in good nick. Will you be using them André, or are they to be put on show as hi-fi "sculpture"?

Hi Barry
I think im going to use the '50E's set in the main system, the '303' set in the spare room but not decided yet..

The Barbarian
15-07-2014, 19:49
:yesbruv: Pics to follow... That 60's Trio receiver also sounds fantastic, needs a service naturally but holy smokes those fella's knew what they were doing... How come I'm only just finding out !?

You never asked :lol:

They knew how to make a good sounding Phono stage in the early models..

istari_knight
15-07-2014, 20:23
Cant argue with that. The weeney 1000uF output caps are limiting low frequency output to around 50Hz I would guess... There's literally nothing below that but otherwise its really good, just sounds like music - To say I'm impressed would be something of an understatement !

Will be keeping an eye out for more of its ilk :)

istari_knight
15-07-2014, 20:25
I may be showing my ignorance here but for copper shielding to be effective doesnt it have to be earthed ? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Marantz-CD6000SE-Upgraded-Player-/201129167204?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_CDPlayerSeparates&hash=item2ed43b8964

walpurgis
15-07-2014, 20:26
Not necessarily, it will still shield.

Jonboy
15-07-2014, 21:05
I won these could not help myself. I got one for each room nar :lol:

'33'/'FM3'/2X'50E'
'33'/'FM3'/'303'

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Quad-33-Phono-Pre-Amp-Processor-serial-number-27278-in-very-good-condition-/331257600038?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&_trksid=p2047675.l2557&nma=true&si=jF3cI%252FaA9enHLMbW42USyOYkdbg%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Quad-FM-tuner-model-FM3-serial-no-2500-/331257185381?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&_trksid=p2047675.l2557&nma=true&si=jF3cI%252FaA9enHLMbW42USyOYkdbg%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

very nice Andre' and only up the road from me

istari_knight
15-07-2014, 21:30
Not necessarily, it will still shield.

Are you sure ? I'm going on shielding electric guitar innards in a past life where they had to be earthed... Just putting the copper tape in there alone did squat.

Barry
16-07-2014, 17:04
Agreed. Unless the shielding is earthed, it will just "float" electrically; acting as an equipotential surface and offering no shielding or screening properties at all.

istari_knight
16-07-2014, 19:03
Cool :thumbsup: you've saved me from egg on the face... I've always laughed at people that wrap copper tape around cables / equipment chassis and neglect to earth it.

The Barbarian
16-07-2014, 21:49
Cant argue with that. The weeney 1000uF output caps are limiting low frequency output to around 50Hz I would guess... There's literally nothing below that but otherwise its really good, just sounds like music - To say I'm impressed would be something of an understatement !

Will be keeping an eye out for more of its ilk :)

Thats why the old 'KA2000' {Brown Facia}/ 'KA2000a' {Silver facia} were extremely popular in their time.

walpurgis
16-07-2014, 22:28
Thats why the old 'KA2000' {Brown Facia}/ 'KA2000a' {Silver facia} were extremely popular in their time.

Yes, lovely little amps. They've always been so ignored by most. The sound quality is not that much different to the original Sugden A21, in other words, very good. Transparent, sweet and detailed with no nasties at the top end.

istari_knight
17-07-2014, 14:46
Completed listings shows they sell on average for under £20... I shall have to get my hands on one.

dantheman91
17-07-2014, 15:54
:rolleyes:

Damp Shed for 17 years.....

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-Vintage-QUAD-ll-Amplifiers-sn-53308-53316/201130302854?_trksid=p2047675.c100013.m1986&_trkparms=aid%3D555012%26algo%3DPW.MBE%26ao%3D1%26 asc%3D20140107105714%26meid%3D8380900601710544045% 26pid%3D100013%26prg%3D20140107105714%26rk%3D5%26r kt%3D30%26sd%3D351110656566

Barry
17-07-2014, 16:29
The only thing those Quad IIs are good for is putting in the skip! Look at how the bitumen potting has melted and leaked out of one of the mains transformers!

The valves might be worth a tenner if they are Mullard and GE MOV (KT66).

istari_knight
17-07-2014, 16:56
I reckon they'll fetch £200.

shane
18-07-2014, 09:16
Lovely little '60s retro system. Seeing Arena stuff on display in our local upmarket department store was what started me off in this game. Don't suppose the receiver's up to much these days, but the speakers look like Scan-Dyna A25s, which of course were marketed in the USA as the classic Dynaco A25. Seriously good.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/331261604323?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Audio Al
18-07-2014, 09:52
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Litesold-ETC-4FX-temperature-controlled-soldering-station-fume-extractor-tips-/331258250209?pt=UK_Home_Garden_PowerTools_SM&hash=item4d2087c3e1

:eyebrows:

istari_knight
18-07-2014, 13:47
Pair of Dynaco A25: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321457053402?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Very good [underrated] speakers these... No foam rot to worry about either.

The Barbarian
18-07-2014, 13:59
James:
If you ever come across the Dynaco 'QC-1 Quadaptor' unit they are fun to play with loike..

istari_knight
18-07-2014, 14:30
Is that like one of those Hafler thingys ?

The Barbarian
18-07-2014, 14:36
:lol: Yeh David Dynaco Hafler

http://audio-heritage.jp/DYNACO-SCANDYNA/etc/qd-1.html

istari_knight
18-07-2014, 14:41
Didn't realise he was the man behind Dynaco :doh:

Explains a lot.

istari_knight
18-07-2014, 14:56
A fair price for those that like them or just want to try a pair http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mordaunt-Short-Pageant-Series-2-Speakers-/291194076065?pt=UK_AudioVideoElectronics_HomeAudio HiFi_HiFiSpeakers&hash=item43cc84fba1

The Barbarian
18-07-2014, 15:07
Go on you know you need them..It's will bore a hole in yer it does me.

synsei
18-07-2014, 15:13
A fair price for those that like them or just want to try a pair http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mordaunt-Short-Pageant-Series-2-Speakers-/291194076065?pt=UK_AudioVideoElectronics_HomeAudio HiFi_HiFiSpeakers&hash=item43cc84fba1

They're in decent nick, I'd have those myself if I had room for them... Bargain!!!

The Barbarian
18-07-2014, 15:14
Just make sure that Isophon tweeter is working. Try the Best offer a couple times as he might have auto accept at a certain price set up, if not waste no time & just buy them.

synsei
18-07-2014, 15:29
Don't tempt me I'm close to folding, really I am. Jo would have a frickin' fit if I pulled the trigger on yet another pair of speakers. Now, Domestic harmony vs a pair of speakers... :eyebrows:

The Barbarian
18-07-2014, 15:31
Im always for risking an ear bashing. Just wait till she hear's im buying another TT

:D

istari_knight
18-07-2014, 15:34
Well Dave, if you were to "accidentally" press the BIN button I'm sure you could move them on very easily via the forum if they don't work out.

synsei
18-07-2014, 15:36
Right boys listen up, Sgt Major Jo would like a word in yer ear'oles... :eek: :D

The Barbarian
18-07-2014, 15:37
There's a scan of my handbook & rear plate there i got Nick to put up. Things i do for your lot eh

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66369472/Mordaunt%20Short%20Carnival-Festival-Pageant%20Series%202.pdf

istari_knight
18-07-2014, 15:39
Right boys listen up, Sgt Major Jo would like a word in yer ear'oles... :eek: :D


http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c129/istari_knight9/getmecoat_zps5cd83e06.gif

Xapito
18-07-2014, 15:50
Andre, thanks for the PDF!! those speakers at £35 are a bargain!

Audio Al
18-07-2014, 16:07
Right boys listen up, Sgt Major Jo would like a word in yer ear'oles... :eek: :D

You tell her Dave !

I was the BOSS in my house " My wife said so ":)

BTH K10A
18-07-2014, 16:50
Just posted this for interest. I've seen HF/200's before but never one of these - HF/100/20L. I think it must be the one from the early 50's that had an output impedance that was variable between 1 and 64 Ohms

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/201126595158?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

istari_knight
18-07-2014, 18:20
So... confused... its... painful ! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/KEF-rega-R3-Soeakers-/221498420069?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Turntables&hash=item339255ab65

The Barbarian
18-07-2014, 18:21
O dear

:sofa:

synsei
18-07-2014, 18:22
So... confused... its... painful ! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/KEF-rega-R3-Soeakers-/221498420069?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Turntables&hash=item339255ab65

Probably pie-eyed when he posted it... :lol:

Barry
18-07-2014, 18:30
Just posted this for interest. I've seen HF/200's before but never one of these - HF/100/20L. I think it must be the one from the early 50's that had an output impedance that was variable between 1 and 64 Ohms

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/201126595158?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

All Tannoy amplifiers are a rara avis. I wonder what the tale is behind how this bit of British-built kit ended up in Mexico?

Marco
18-07-2014, 18:33
Probably pie-eyed when he posted it... :lol:

You certainly can't accuse him of over-selling them either!!

Marco.

Marco
18-07-2014, 18:37
All Tannoy amplifiers are a rara avis. I wonder what the tale is behind how this bit of British-built kit ended up in Mexico?

Love the look of it! I have a penchant for such 'crusty patination' [see 'patina'] on vintage equipment... 'Audiophile dust' is always a bonus, too! ;)

Marco.

Barry
18-07-2014, 18:47
Love the look of it! I have a penchant for such 'crusty patination' [see 'patina'] on vintage equipment... 'Audiophile dust' is always a bonus, too! ;)

Marco.

Haha! Are you sure you're not confusing "crusty patination" with the copper hammer-finish paint Tannoy used?

Marco
18-07-2014, 18:55
Possibly, but it also has a rather fetching 'hue' all of its own! :eyebrows:

Marco.

Puffin
18-07-2014, 19:02
So... confused... its... painful ! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/KEF-rega-R3-Soeakers-/221498420069?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Turntables&hash=item339255ab65

So what does he see when he looks at the Rega logo on the front of the soeaks? Maybe he meant to put a picture of a Super Soeaker?

Marco
18-07-2014, 19:04
Are you talking about yer inco-pants again, Rob? :D

Marco.

BTH K10A
18-07-2014, 19:24
All Tannoy amplifiers are a rara avis. I wonder what the tale is behind how this bit of British-built kit ended up in Mexico?

The mains voltages indicate that it was certainly built for the overseas market and was most likely partnered with the 15" silver the seller also auctioned.

Fabulous condition! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TANNOY-15-034-SPEAKER-TYPE-LSU-HF-15L-DUAL-CONCENTRIC-CROSSOVER-SILVER-VGC-/201129180959?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2047675.l2557&nma=true&si=cAATSgc5eAJlPgvg9Xw15SEQdcQ%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

Marco
18-07-2014, 19:36
Goodness, now I've dribbled in my pants... :drool:

Marco.

Puffin
19-07-2014, 13:00
Are you talking about yer inco-pants again, Rob? :D

Marco.

Of course.

BTH K10A
19-07-2014, 19:59
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RARE-Vintage-ESL-Redhead-Turntable-Phono-Cartridge-w-Box-Tin-Audiophile-/111412390937?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item19f0b22c19

Barry
19-07-2014, 20:17
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RARE-Vintage-ESL-Redhead-Turntable-Phono-Cartridge-w-Box-Tin-Audiophile-/111412390937?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item19f0b22c19

No! If the quoted dynamic mass of 2.5 x 10-3g is the same as the tip mass, then at 2.5mg it will do immediate and irreparable damage to your vinyl. (In fact any stylus with a tip mass of more than 1mg will do permanent damage).

BTH K10A
19-07-2014, 21:00
No! If the quoted dynamic mass of 2.5 x 10-3g is the same as the tip mass, then at 2.5mg it will do immediate and irreparable damage to your vinyl. (In fact any stylus with a tip mass of more than 1mg will do permanent damage).

The cartridge was/is a cheap ceramic jobbo. I thought the name far more imaginative than the offerings of today. Imagine an Ortofon 2M Redhead :)

Then again having thought about it that would mean there would be a 2M Blue rinse :eek: Redhead for the youngsters, Blue rinse for the old fogeys

Marco
19-07-2014, 21:07
:lolsign:

Marco.

The Barbarian
20-07-2014, 11:52
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WHITELEY-ELECTRICAL-RARE-VINTAGE-RETRO-TUBE-AMP-AMPLIFIER-Stentorian-Speaker/281388009730?_trksid=p2045573.c100034.m2102&_trkparms=aid%3D555012%26algo%3DPW.MBE%26ao%3D1%26 asc%3D24135%26meid%3D8446991477719746870%26pid%3D1 00034%26prg%3D10245%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D2906 97814136

istari_knight
20-07-2014, 12:04
Looking at those "British made" capacitors reminds me, I did some gardening work for an elderly lady in Falmouth... We somehow got onto the subject or electronics & she revealed that she'd worked for "AH Hunt capacitors" in London as a young lass and had kept some of the foils as a souvenir which she duly showed me.

Pretty cool I thought & a shame we no longer manufacture on large scale.

The Barbarian
20-07-2014, 12:12
One thing for sure i aint proud to be British these days.

Mr Kipling
20-07-2014, 12:23
Sharps gone back in the box, Andre'?

The Barbarian
20-07-2014, 12:28
Yeh still prefer the ones i use..

Barry
20-07-2014, 13:05
The cartridge was/is a cheap ceramic jobbo. I thought the name far more imaginative than the offerings of today. Imagine an Ortofon 2M Redhead :)

Then again having thought about it that would mean there would be a 2M Blue rinse :eek: Redhead for the youngsters, Blue rinse for the old fogeys

I would need the Grecian 2000 model! :lol:

If you think today's cartridges are lacking an imaginative name, then this is made up by the fanciful names given to other products; especially so-called audiophile cables.

Personally, I like the names given to older equipment such as Ortofon (from the Greek orthos = "pure, or correct" + phonos = "sound") and Stentorian (Stentor, a character in Greek mythology, was the herald for the Greek forces in the Trojan war, who's voice was said to be as powerful as that of 50 men).

And of course the forerunner of QUAD (a rather perfunctory quartermaster-style appellation: “Quality Unit Amplifier, Domestic) was the delightfully named “Acoustical Manufacturing Company”.

Were I to design any audio gear, I think I might name it “Calliope” (In Greek mythology, Calliope (Καλλιόπη ="beautiful-voiced") was the muse of epic poetry, daughter of Zeus and Mnemosyne, and is believed to be Homer's muse for the Iliad and the Odyssey.). Unfortunately “Orpheus” has already been used.

Does anyone know the origin of the names Linn and NAIM?

Barry
20-07-2014, 13:10
Looking at those "British made" capacitors reminds me, I did some gardening work for an elderly lady in Falmouth... We somehow got onto the subject or electronics & she revealed that she'd worked for "AH Hunt capacitors" in London as a young lass and had kept some of the foils as a souvenir which she duly showed me.

Pretty cool I thought & a shame we no longer manufacture on large scale.

Those AH Hunt capacitors you mention had a lousy reputation for quality. Unfortunately Quad used them in their Quad II power amps (and quite possibly in the earlier Quad I and Q.U.A.D. designs) as the DC blocking capacitors to the grid of the KT66 valves.

istari_knight
20-07-2014, 13:18
Those AH Hunt capacitors you mention had a lousy reputation for quality..

That's British for you :D

The Barbarian
20-07-2014, 13:37
They had two factories one in London, the other Wrexham.. They were taken over in the late 60's by Erie

Try find a picture of the Green Hunts polyester caps & a green Erie polyester cap, i think they were called 'M312'..

Marco
20-07-2014, 18:42
Does anyone know the origin of the names Linn and NAIM?

Hi Barry,

In terms of Linn, I'm pretty sure it comes from the fact that the original factory in Glasgow was situated near Linn Park: https://www.glasgow.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=5132

I used to know where the name 'Naim' originated from, but have forgotten. I could probably find out, though! :)

Marco.

Macca
20-07-2014, 18:53
According to 'The Unofficial Naim FAQ Website':

The late Julian Vereker - the company founder - couldn't think of a name so chose Name and then changed the spelling arbitrarily to Naim. It doesn't stand for anything.

Marco
20-07-2014, 20:17
Yeah, that was it!

Marco.

istari_knight
20-07-2014, 21:27
Nice bit of Yamaha http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/YAMAHA-B-2-High-end-Full-sized-Hi-Fi-V-FET-power-amplifier-Super-RARE-Japan-80s-/201132162233?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Amplifiers&hash=item2ed4693cb9

Macca
20-07-2014, 21:32
Nice bit of Yamaha http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/YAMAHA-B-2-High-end-Full-sized-Hi-Fi-V-FET-power-amplifier-Super-RARE-Japan-80s-/201132162233?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Amplifiers&hash=item2ed4693cb9

Lovely but aren't V-FETS the ones you can't get hold of anymore if they go bad?

istari_knight
20-07-2014, 21:37
Lovely but aren't V-FETS the ones you can't get hold of anymore if they go bad?

Indeedy, it'll need a full service too... 15 years idle & then thrust into action, those capacitors will be shagged.

istari_knight
21-07-2014, 12:18
I may well be wrong but it looks to me like just the power indicator has blown and he thinks the whole amps dead ? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VINTAGE-PIONEER-SA-8500-TWO-CHANNEL-INTEGRATED-AMPLIFIER-AUDIOPHILE-AMP-1976-/121389935970?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Amplifiers&hash=item1c43676d62

Barry
21-07-2014, 12:31
I reckon they'll fetch £200.

Well you were right: those rusty old Quad IIs fetched over £250! "A fool and his money ...."?

The Barbarian
21-07-2014, 13:32
I just dont get people that entertain QII's

Marco
21-07-2014, 13:38
Total 'pipe & slippers', IME, and largely responsible for creating the stereotypical (and totally incorrect) view of all valve amps sounding 'warm & cuddly'! :rolleyes:

After years of believing that blinkered shite, folk are only now starting to discover the truth!

Marco.

Audio Al
21-07-2014, 14:19
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SHURE-CARTRIDGE-TESTER-C-PEK-3-/231286276885?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Turntables&hash=item35d9bc8315


:eyebrows:

Audio Al
21-07-2014, 14:23
I just dont get people that entertain QII's

I just don't get why people don't entertain quad 11's :scratch:

Maybe it coz they are not Orange :)

Barry
21-07-2014, 15:35
There is nothing wrong with the Quad II amps when used with appropriate speakers: they are divine with Quad 57s for example (no surprise there since they were made for one another). I have owned a pair of Quad IIs to use with my Quad ESLs on two occasions; keeping a pair as a back up, should my main amplifier fail. It was only the difficulty with the unique connectors of the Quads that caused me to pass them on.

Quad IIs have a beautiful mid range and are only lacking at the frequency extremes. Peter Walker's fondness of the EF86 pentode for the input stage, means the Quad IIs have a low sensitivity of 1.4V for full output. But apart from that, they were a ground breaking design back in the '50s, and even today still aquit themselves well.

There are classic amplifiers I feel are superior to the Quad IIs: the Radford STA15 Mk. III and STA25 Mk. III and possibly the Leak Stereo 20 (all of which are developments of the Mullard 5-20 and 5-10 circuits), but the Quad II are still worthy of consideration.

My sarcasm was directed at the particular pair for sale on eBay. They had been stored in a damp shed for 15 years; were rusty and the bitumen transformer potting material had leaked from one of the mains transformers! Quite frankly £250 was a rediculous amount to pay for a pair in such poor condition.

Like the obsession with the BBC LS3/5A speakers, people (especially the Japanese) are willing to pay silly amounts for Quad IIs. £500 for a pair in virtually mint condition is, IMO the most that should be paid.

Marco
21-07-2014, 15:38
Quad IIs have a beautiful mid range and are only lacking at the frequency extremes.

Lol... And you don't see that as a problem? Moi? I happen to enjoy that pesky treble and bass stuff, too!! :eyebrows:

;)

Marco.

Barry
21-07-2014, 15:43
Lol... And you don't see that as a problem? Moi? I happen to enjoy that pesky treble and bass stuff, too!! :eyebrows:

;)

Marco.

But not at the expense of the midrange - that's where most of the music is. Anyway I did say when partnered with "appropriate speakers".

Marco
21-07-2014, 15:52
Soz, dude. I've heard them with ESL57s, and they still didn't do it for me... Yes, I get the midrange thing, but they still sound soft, rolled off and lack real guts. Ask Anthony TD what he thinks of Quad IIs, sonically and technically (as he's worked on 100s of them), and he'll tell you some eye-opening stuff! ;)

Regardless though, if you like Quad IIs, then fair enough. I certainly couldn't live with them :)

Marco.

Barry
21-07-2014, 16:00
Soz, dude. I've heard them with ESL57s, and they still didn't do it for me... Yes, I get the midrange thing, but they still sound soft, rolled off and lack real guts. Ask Anthony TD what he thinks of Quad IIs, sonically and technically (as he's worked on 100s of them), and he'll tell you some eye-opening stuff! ;)

Regardless though, if you like Quad IIs, then fair enough. I certainly couldn't live with them :)

Marco.

Well I doubt if I would consider a pair now, but I have heard them working well into speakers of similar vintage. I am aware of the design considerations made by Peter Walker - in particular the deliberate limitation of bass delivery so as to protect the Quad 57 from damage.

Marco
21-07-2014, 16:12
Yup, I can certainly hear the 'limited bass delivery'! :eyebrows:

Anyway, it's all a personal taste thing. I need a valve amplifier that can play all genres of music (from throbbing metal to chamber music) with equal aplomb, and crucially, at 'realistic levels' without falling apart, and that excels in all areas of the frequency spectrum, which is why I use what I do, and not Quad IIs ;)

Sorry, Barry, I know you're somewhat of a Quad fan, but I simply have to be honest :)

Marco.

istari_knight
21-07-2014, 16:35
I'm yet to have the pleasure but it seems to boil down to musical taste [as we were saying last night RE ditton 44's] Maybe great with music of the period ? I mean, I can't think of anything even approaching "throbbing metal" from 1952 :D

Marco
21-07-2014, 17:19
That's part of the problem for me, James: I have such a wide and diverse taste in music, and listen to everything from Rachmaninov to Rammstein, that an amplifier (or system) which only excels in reproducing certain types of music (or certain areas of the frequency range) is of no use to me whatsoever...! ;)

Marco.

istari_knight
21-07-2014, 18:37
Cant argue with that. Likewise here, choral one minute & metal the next.

My expanding taste in music is what ruined "flat earth" for me... Thats a real one trick pony, makes Pink Floyd & Dire Straits sound fantastic but anything else ? Nah.

istari_knight
22-07-2014, 17:03
A pair of HF2000's alone sell for £100 most of the time... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Celestion-Ditton-44-Main-Stereo-Speakers-/331266814979?pt=UK_AudioVideoElectronics_HomeAudio HiFi_HiFiSpeakers&hash=item4d210a7403

istari_knight
22-07-2014, 17:06
I like the aesthetic but wonder how that single Saba driver sounds ?! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Schaub-Lorenz-Stereo-Speakers-Fully-Working-Early-to-Mid-60s-/161370427597?pt=UK_AudioVideoElectronics_HomeAudio HiFi_HiFiSpeakers&hash=item25926d50cd

Audio Al
22-07-2014, 17:34
I like the aesthetic but wonder how that single Saba driver sounds ?! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Schaub-Lorenz-Stereo-Speakers-Fully-Working-Early-to-Mid-60s-/161370427597?pt=UK_AudioVideoElectronics_HomeAudio HiFi_HiFiSpeakers&hash=item25926d50cd

They are rather funky :)

istari_knight
22-07-2014, 17:38
Good price http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Royd-Abbot-Loud-Speakers-Walnut-/181472332278?pt=UK_AudioVideoElectronics_HomeAudio HiFi_HiFiSpeakers&hash=item2a409809f6

dantheman91
25-07-2014, 09:50
Hmm.............:rolleyes:

Risky.......

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/QUAD-33-303-Pre-amplifier-And-Power-Amplifier-For-Spares-Or-Repair-/271556688891?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Amplifiers&hash=item3f3a0a3bfb

istari_knight
25-07-2014, 09:56
Waste of time Dan unless you're a masochist. Something like might be worth buying... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111417086311?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

It can only go up in value.

dantheman91
25-07-2014, 11:09
Waste of time Dan unless you're a masochist. Something like might be worth buying... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111417086311?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

It can only go up in value.


Hi James

I here you there's a boxed pair on there ATM a 33 Pre and 303 Power boxed with manuals price is up to £480 last time i looked...people are catching on to just how good these things are booked the Quad 405 in with quad next week as its sat there and its doing my nut in........

istari_knight
25-07-2014, 16:25
They can only go up, especially when treated to a bonafide genuine service by the manufacturer :thumbsup:

walpurgis
25-07-2014, 16:35
What is it with the Quads? I'm not knocking anybody's choices, but having heard probably hundreds of the things and used them, I've not been exactly spellbound. I prefer the 405 to the 303 myself, but would rather have a 306 than either.

Macca
25-07-2014, 16:43
What is it with the Quads? .

The styling, the build quality, the history, the reputation for longevity and reliability, the famous servicing department.

I suppose...

I know some people bang on about the sound quality but they have never struck me as being any different in that department to a few dozen other decent amplifiers.

istari_knight
25-07-2014, 16:44
I don't listen to them ! Good gracious me no... I just collect them ;)

Actually, I did listen to a 34/303 pairing for a bit but moved on as I always do.

Macca
25-07-2014, 16:48
A rolling stone gathers no moss...

istari_knight
25-07-2014, 16:50
A rolling stone gathers no moss...

I like to tell myself that I'll stop once I discover true greatness... Then I have a good laugh & get back on eBay :lol:

walpurgis
25-07-2014, 18:32
I like to tell myself that I'll stop once I discover true greatness... Then I have a good laugh & get back on eBay :lol:

Just get a Monarchy Audio SM-70 Pro. Mine sounds astonishing through the Tannoys.

istari_knight
25-07-2014, 18:55
A quick Google image search show its looks nice & simple inside... Mosfet outputs, class a, extremely low component count, massive power supply.... Looks like something Nelson Pass would design ;)

Have you heard any Pass designs Geoff ?

walpurgis
25-07-2014, 18:55
What the ferk are these? 12" Tannoy HPDs with tweeters and midrange units added. Why? Makes you wonder if the compression horns in the main drivers are working.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PAIR-OF-12-TANNOY-HPD-315-8-SPEAKERS-AND-CABINETS-/261542128533?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_Speaker_Parts&hash=item3ce5202b95

walpurgis
25-07-2014, 19:00
Here's one for Ditton 15XR fans. The UL8 2, the final development of the 8" driver + ABR design from Celestion. These are pretty rare.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Pair-of-Vintage-Rola-Celestion-UL-8-2-Way-Hi-Fi-Speakers-/201135130296?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_Vintage_Separates&hash=item2ed49686b8

walpurgis
25-07-2014, 19:07
Rare, Riadho Emilie S-Centric speakers. Not heard these, but they are reputed to be superb.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Raidho-Acoustics-Emilie-S-Centric-loudspeakers-pair-/251589811924?pt=UK_AudioVideoElectronics_HomeAudio HiFi_HiFiSpeakers&hash=item3a93ebded4

walpurgis
25-07-2014, 19:12
A quick Google image search show its looks nice & simple inside... Mosfet outputs, class a, extremely low component count, massive power supply.... Looks like something Nelson Pass would design ;)

Have you heard any Pass designs Geoff ?

Well I did have a Forte Model 2 pre-amp, which was remarkably good. I sold it reluctantly once I got my current Ming Da TVC pre (which drives the Monarchy Audio power amp). I also recall listening to an early Aleph power amp in a system, but don't remember what it sounded like. I'd like to try the Aleph 3, quite similar in concept to the SM-70 Pro.

Macca
25-07-2014, 21:12
What the ferk are these? 12" Tannoy HPDs with tweeters and midrange units added. Why? Makes you wonder if the compression horns in the main drivers are working.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PAIR-OF-12-TANNOY-HPD-315-8-SPEAKERS-AND-CABINETS-/261542128533?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_Speaker_Parts&hash=item3ce5202b95

Says he had them re-coned by Tannoy so you would think they are working but maybe deliberately disconnected. I'd give them a go at £250 but collection only from somewhere I have never heard of so it won't be nearby. The WAF on them is down through the floor.

struth
25-07-2014, 21:48
Devon I think?

matador
26-07-2014, 09:59
Devon I think?
Custom made I think;)

Audio Al
26-07-2014, 15:03
Are these any good ? anyone have any views on them

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221499987648?ssPageName=STRK:MESINDXX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1436.l2649

Cheers

struth
26-07-2014, 15:09
Are these any good ? anyone have any views on them

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221499987648?ssPageName=STRK:MESINDXX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1436.l2649

Cheers

Not sure whats copper about them... Quitte like sony speaks but cases look to have a bit of wear and they have been opened so could be pretty much anything now

orbscure
26-07-2014, 15:11
I think copper might be the sellers interpretation of their colour...?

istari_knight
26-07-2014, 16:13
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Isobarik-/111419029170?pt=UK_AudioVideoElectronics_HomeAudio HiFi_HiFiSpeakers&hash=item19f11776b2

Seems a little overpriced or 8 x M6/M8/Mwhatever spikes !?

Audio Al
26-07-2014, 16:17
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Isobarik-/111419029170?pt=UK_AudioVideoElectronics_HomeAudio HiFi_HiFiSpeakers&hash=item19f11776b2

Seems a little overpriced or 8 x M6/M8/Mwhatever spikes !?

Linn prices ;)

istari_knight
26-07-2014, 16:34
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rare-Vintage-Sony-PS-230-turntable-recored-player-for-spares-or-repair-/251599681667?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Turntables&hash=item3a94827883

An idler according to google... Could be worth fixing ?

shane
26-07-2014, 18:55
Devon I think?

Cornwall, in fact, but only just!

jaym481
26-07-2014, 22:02
Are these any good ? anyone have any views on them

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221499987648?ssPageName=STRK:MESINDXX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1436.l2649

Cheers

I had a set. May still have them in my storage in Canada. OK for bookshelf speakers, in fact the bottom of the range of Sony's early ULM series. Some discussion of a slightly later version here: http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?24618-Sony-SS-7200-Speaker. If you get them cheap it's certainly worth a try.

istari_knight
27-07-2014, 11:39
Very fair prices...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SONY-COMPACT-CD-PLAYER-CDP-XB920E-QS-/161378461588?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_CDPlayerSeparates&hash=item2592e7e794

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SONY-INTEGRATED-AMPLIFIER-TA-FB940R-QS-/161378461591?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Amplifiers&hash=item2592e7e797