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Reid Malenfant
06-09-2010, 17:44
Thats on my watch list as well. :)

It was only £650 yesterday.
Well it's got a way to go yet :) No way will i be bidding, i have no use for it :eyebrows: It's the same kind of design as my ARC MP1 which i also grabbed off of fleabay, ex dem with warranty & not a mark on it, boxed with instructions & remote etc. Chuffed to bits that i got it well under half new price :)

If that Ref 3 doesn't hit £2000 i'll be shocked, but it's a buyers market right now until we crawl out of this recession ;)

Techno Commander
06-09-2010, 18:32
Pair of Tannoy Berkleys (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TANNOY-BERKELEY-mk2-LOUDSPEAKERS-NICE-PAIR-RE-FOAMED-/170536629483?pt=UK_AudioVideoElectronics_HomeAudio HiFi_HiFiSpeakers&hash=item27b4c674eb) currently at £14. Any guesses how far they will go to? :)

Reid Malenfant
07-09-2010, 18:51
It was only £650 yesterday.


If that Ref 3 doesn't hit £2000 i'll be shocked, but it's a buyers market right now until we crawl out of this recession ;)
£2450 as of now & the high bidder still hasn't been outbid, it'll go higher :eyebrows:

Pair of Tannoy Berkleys (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TANNOY-BERKELEY-mk2-LOUDSPEAKERS-NICE-PAIR-RE-FOAMED-/170536629483?pt=UK_AudioVideoElectronics_HomeAudio HiFi_HiFiSpeakers&hash=item27b4c674eb) currently at £14. Any guesses how far they will go to? :)
Tbh i have no idea, is it me or does the dust dome on one of the pics (possibly the first) look as though it has a good chunk missing on the left hand side? :scratch:

Jonboy
07-09-2010, 19:21
Pair of Tannoy Berkleys (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TANNOY-BERKELEY-mk2-LOUDSPEAKERS-NICE-PAIR-RE-FOAMED-/170536629483?pt=UK_AudioVideoElectronics_HomeAudio HiFi_HiFiSpeakers&hash=item27b4c674eb) currently at £14. Any guesses how far they will go to? :)

£700 ish

Techno Commander
07-09-2010, 23:35
This Sony PS 8750 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320586701656&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT) turn table looks the business. The looks are superb, but the price is going up at an alarming rate.

Also found this gorgeous Yamaha XP D8 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140449691202&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT) on German ebay.

StanleyB
08-09-2010, 06:05
I had the 6750, which is a great deck. Gave it to my brother last year. The 8750 is a legend in the Sony turntable range. Quite surprised to see one on eBay.

DSJR
08-09-2010, 08:37
One of the only decks that "communicated" like an LP12/Grace 707 of the late 70's, the 8750, and better than the Techies of the period as I remember. I think we only sold a couple, so the rarity in the UK may be one reason why it fetches so much.

StanleyB
08-09-2010, 10:36
The strange thing is that the 8750 shares a major defect with the 6750, and that is the design of the arm lift. It operates on a galvanized bar assembly that is pivoted in a few places. It is prone to vibration at times, which I could detect in the playback. I removed mine.
I wonder if it still has all the tools in the secret compartment.

Alex_UK
08-09-2010, 10:42
I wonder if it still has all the tools in the secret compartment.

It is a very sparsely detailed auction, isn't it? I'd be very wary of bidding on something with virtually no description and a crap photo, site unseen... Maybe a few questions to the seller would be in order before anyone takes a punt - hasn't stopped 6 bidders so far though!

StanleyB
08-09-2010, 11:03
If it was the later Sony TTS-8000 I would have taken a punt:eyebrows:.

DSJR
08-09-2010, 20:12
I've too many turntables as it is, but the TTS3000 belt drive would be a good buy, despite being over forty years old now.

Spectral Morn
08-09-2010, 21:37
It is a very sparsely detailed auction, isn't it? I'd be very wary of bidding on something with virtually no description and a crap photo, site unseen... Maybe a few questions to the seller would be in order before anyone takes a punt - hasn't stopped 6 bidders so far though!


My issue would be the £7 postage :mental: yeah right in pieces :eek: To pack and post properly £35 to £40 would be my guess.

Regards D S D L

Reid Malenfant
12-09-2010, 15:27
Or cold as the case may be :eyebrows:

HY60 bargain priced brand new (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ILP-HY60-POWER-AMP-MODULE-30W-/290468024560?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Amplifiers&hash=item43a13e50f0), ideal for two way active stereo pair ;) Just add PSU & stir until brought to the boil :lol:

You can't moan at a 30W 8ohm, 60W 4ohm amp assembled & heatsinked for £5.99 each new :ner: 5 available as of now...

That's not me or anyone i know selling them btw. My feedback is private as i only buy :doh:

spendorman
12-09-2010, 15:29
From Bardwells, used them in the 70's!

Reid Malenfant
12-09-2010, 15:33
From Bardwells, used them in the 70's!
Nice to hear of some old firms still in business then i'd say ;)

quickie
12-09-2010, 19:53
Nice amp.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MAGNUM-A200-DUAL-MONOBLOC-2-X-200-Watts-Power-Amp-/250695260409?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Amplifiers&hash=item3a5e9a18f9

Paul.

Techno Commander
12-09-2010, 22:14
Not cheap, but eye wateringly gorgeous. :)
PT Anniversary & SME V (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Pink-Triangle-Anniversary-SME-V-tonearm-/300466034145?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Turntables&hash=item45f52bd5e1)

Be interesting to see what his reserve is.

DSJR
13-09-2010, 09:12
The PT Anniversary/SMEV really was first rate, the two products dovetailing together beautifully. By this time, the PT's were better made and as long as the bearing hasn't been damaged (jewelled thrust pad), it would make a highly truthful (in the best sense) way of playing records.

Can't help thinking that the motors seemed to walk all over the top plate as production went on, but as I wasn't a dealer for these I'm probably wrong...

Marco
13-09-2010, 10:20
Hi Andy,


Not cheap, but eye wateringly gorgeous. :)
PT Anniversary & SME V (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Pink-Triangle-Anniversary-SME-V-tonearm-/300466034145?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Turntables&hash=item45f52bd5e1)


Lol - I guess that beauty is in the eye of the beholder... No doubt the PT Anniversary is a superb T/T, sonically, but "eye wateringly gorgeous"? Sorry, not in my eyes!

For me it looks rather drab and 'sober' looking - not my thing at all.

This, however, IMO, qualifies as eye-wateringly gorgeous:


http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/240/27962056.png (http://img33.imageshack.us/i/27962056.png/)


Or this:


http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/5425/platineverdier.jpg (http://img838.imageshack.us/i/platineverdier.jpg/)

(Nice touch with the flower :eyebrows:)


Both T/Ts I would happily own.

Anyway, forgive my intrusion.... It's good that we all have different tastes!! :cool:

Marco.

Barry
13-09-2010, 10:36
Hi Andy,



Lol - I guess that beauty is in the eye of the beholder... No doubt the PT Anniversary is a superb T/T, sonically, but "eye wateringly gorgeous"? Sorry, not in my eyes!

For me it looks rather drab and 'sober' looking - not my thing at all.

This, however, IMO, qualifies as eye wateringly gorgeous:


http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/240/27962056.png (http://img33.imageshack.us/i/27962056.png/)


Or this:


http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/5425/platineverdier.jpg (http://img838.imageshack.us/i/platineverdier.jpg/)

(Nice touch with the flower :eyebrows:)


Anyway, forgive my intrusion.... It's good that we all have different tastes! :cool:

Marco.

Have to agree with you Marco regarding the SP10/Schick/Lumière combination.

If I had the money and space, I would have one just for looks alone, regardless of how good the performance! One minor point - I would have the brass parts of the arm painted black and the paintwork of the Lumière cartridge changed to a black hammerfinish.

The Lumière cartidge is a facsimile of the (legendary) Neumann NV55 cartidge. These are, or were, hand made to order only from Japan. I believe they are based on the Ortophon SPU design, but I'm not certain. Last time I enquired, they were asking something like £2,500 to build one. The step-up transformer was even more expensive!

Regards

Marco
13-09-2010, 10:54
Hi Barry,

I agree - I think the black idea would work, although I'm quite partial to a bit of selective bling on an otherwise fairly 'sober' looking aesthetic, so I'd keep the brass finish of the counterweight balance on the Schick arm.

I'm also totally with you on the Lumière cartridge. It's one of my all-time favourite classic cartridges, and I will own one at some point.

It's interesting you say that it's based on the SPU; I didn't know that. However it certainly has the gloriously 'organic' sonic presentation, with beautifully rich, 'big-boned' (but musically realistic) tonality, I (and I think you) love in phono cartridges - the complete antithesis of the tonally bleached modern monstrosities foisted upon us nowadays by so-called 'hi-end' cartridge manufacturers!

Incidentally, this week I will (at last) get around to fitting the Decca, after a long list of unforeseen delays, the latest being a pretty bad dose of the flu, which I'm currently recovering from - so watch this space for my thoughts! :)

Marco.

P.S Did you do the venison steaks for your friends visiting? Sorry I didn't get a chance to send you the recipe, but there were simply too many things going on.

I notice you've quaffed the Amarone, so I look forward to hearing your thoughts on the wine thread! ;)

Techno Commander
13-09-2010, 11:25
I must admit, that SP10 set up does look stunning.

I also (as you have probably guessed) have a thing for Pink Triangles. Is kind of like the inverse to the "thing" I dont have for Linns. :)

I would rather have a cheap PT than an expensive Linn.

Marco
13-09-2010, 11:50
Hi Andy,

Oh yes, in that respect I totally agree. Arthur K is da man!

He's getting 'serious' about modifiying Techies now, so watch this space for some very interesting future developments in that area ;)

Marco.

Techno Commander
13-09-2010, 11:57
Pink Technics?? :):)

Marco
13-09-2010, 12:02
Now that would be something! :eyebrows:

Marco.

Marco
13-09-2010, 12:08
Another cartridge that I think Barry would like - the legendary Pierre Clement:


http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/4913/pierreclementeb251.jpg (http://img810.imageshack.us/i/pierreclementeb251.jpg/)

:)

When you look at the quirky designs of classics like the Lumière and Pierre Clement, aren't many modern cartridges so bloody boring looking in comparison?

Unfortunately, the same can often be said of their sound.....


Anyway, another 'looker' in the T/T stakes for me, I give you the 'eye-wateringly gorgeous' (;)) Thorens TD 550 (unfortunately though it's not 'vintage'):


http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/9002/1263585442.jpg (http://img441.imageshack.us/i/1263585442.jpg/)

:stalks: :stalks:

Marco.

Techno Commander
13-09-2010, 15:30
aren't many modern cartridges so bloody boring looking in comparison?

Marco.

I have always felt the Sumiko BPS to be rather good looking. Especially so considering its relatively low cost.

http://image.shopping.yahoo.co.jp/i/j/union901_bleepoint3

DSJR
13-09-2010, 16:40
I really admire that Techie SP10/Schick combination and the oblong simplicity of the cartridge fitted is gorgeous to my eyes. less is more IMO where turntables are concerned and a 401 thus plinthed and armed would float me boat as well...

Spectral Morn
13-09-2010, 16:42
Not cheap, but eye wateringly gorgeous. :)
PT Anniversary & SME V (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Pink-Triangle-Anniversary-SME-V-tonearm-/300466034145?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Turntables&hash=item45f52bd5e1)

Be interesting to see what his reserve is.

With no inner for the box :eek::doh: (If he kept the box why not the inner ? :(...what a plank imho) I would not touch it with a barge pole. Even properly packed Anniversaries, in the day, arrived with smashed top plates. Its essentially a mirror.

Nice deck though, but he wants too much imho.

How old is the SME 5 ? If it came with the deck then that makes it about 18 years old give or take.


Regards D S D L

Barry
13-09-2010, 16:50
Hi Barry,

I agree - I think the black idea would work, although I'm quite partial to a bit of selective bling on an otherwise fairly 'sober' looking aesthetic, so I'd keep the brass finish of the counterweight balance on the Schick arm.

I'm also totally with you on the Lumière cartridge. It's one of my all-time favourite classic cartridges, and I will own one at some point.

It's interesting you say that it's based on the SPU; I didn't know that. However it certainly has the gloriously 'organic' sonic presentation, with beautifully rich, 'big-boned' (but musically realistic) tonality, I (and I think you) love in phono cartridges - the complete antithesis of the tonally bleached modern monstrosities foisted upon us nowadays by so-called 'hi-end' cartridge manufacturers!

Incidentally, this week I will (at last) get around to fitting the Decca, after a long list of unforeseen delays, the latest being a pretty bad dose of the flu, which I'm currently recovering from - so watch this space for my thoughts! :)

Marco.

P.S Did you do the venison steaks for your friends visiting? Sorry I didn't get a chance to send you the recipe, but there were simply too many things going on.

I notice you've quaffed the Amarone, so I look forward to hearing your thoughts on the wine thread! ;)

Hi Marco,

When did you hear the Lumière cartridge? Do you know someone who has/had one? The only person I know of who has one (well two actually) is AoS member Stefano ('Two Good Ears'). In fact it was through reading his posts on the Better Audio Club forum, that I first became aware of their existance.

My speculation that the Lumière cartridge (a facsimile of the Neumann NV55 (?) moving coil cartridge) is based on the Ortofon SPU, has no basis other than the fact that Ortofon patented the moving coil principle and that the Neumann design was close contemporary, and so would have had to pay Ortofon royalty. As far as I know, unlike the original SPU, the Neumann used an off-board SUT. There is a lot of hype talked about Neumann's know-how when it came to designing transformers. Again as far as I know, many of the Neumann transformers were made by other German companies, though they may have been to Neumann's design. Perhaps Stefano can clarify matters here.

Sorry to hear you have been down with the flu, but pleased you're recovering. Hope you enjoy the Decca. I suspect that like me you will find it presents a different picture to any other cartridge you have heard: astonishing attack, speed and dynamics and sheer, almost palpable, sense of presence, but tonally neutral it ain't.

Yes, we did polish off the Amarone with venison steak. Will post my thoughts shortly. In fact I enjoyed it so much I will probably buy another bottle. All I have to do is find an excuse to celebrate: how about on reading your report of the Decca? That would be a good enough excuse!

Regards

Barry
13-09-2010, 17:03
Another cartridge that I think Barry would like - the legendary Pierre Clement:


http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/4913/pierreclementeb251.jpg (http://img810.imageshack.us/i/pierreclementeb251.jpg/)

:)

When you look at the quirky designs of classics like the Lumière and Pierre Clement, aren't many modern cartridges so bloody boring looking in comparison?

Unfortunately, the same can often be said of their sound.....


Anyway, another 'looker' in the T/T stakes for me, I give you the 'eye-wateringly gorgeous' (;)) Thorens TD 550 (unfortunately though it's not 'vintage'):


http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/9002/1263585442.jpg (http://img441.imageshack.us/i/1263585442.jpg/)

:stalks: :stalks:

Marco.

Whilst I am aware of the Pierre Clement cartridge, I know virtually nothing about it, apart from it being a French design for broadcast use, and most likely used with the French Bordereau broadcast turntables (a rim drive, quick start design, built like a tank, and rumbled like one! Even more industrial looking than the EMT 930). Nice to see, from the photo, the owner uses his on a Thorens 124/II.

I have no idea if facsimilies are still made or how much they cost. Do you know any more about them Marco?

Regards

Marco
13-09-2010, 20:49
Hi Barry,


When did you hear the Lumière cartridge?


Years ago in an antiques shop in France (on a Platine Verdier) where the owner was a music and hi-fi buff... It was a fascinating place in more ways than one!

The sound (and the discussion I had with the shop owner about hi-fi and music) left an indelible impression on me, which is why I've loved the Verdier and Lumière ever since. The experience also probably taught me how 'wrong', to my ears, some cartridges are voiced by manufacturers today in relation to how real voices and musical instruments actually sound.


My speculation that the Lumière cartridge (a facsimile of the Neumann NV55 (?) moving coil cartridge is based on the Ortofon SPU, has no basis other than the fact that Ortofon patented the moving coil principle and that the Neuman design was close contemporary, and so would have had to pay Ortofon royalty. As far as I know, unlike the original SPU, the Neumann used an off-board SUT. There is a lot of hype talked about Neumann's know-how when it came to designing transformers. Again as far as I know, many of the Neumann transformers were made by other German companies, though they may have been to Neumann's design. Perhaps Stefano can clarify matters here.


I know Stefano, so might well quiz him further on that.


Sorry to hear you have been down with the flu, but pleased you're recovering. Hope you enjoy the Decca. I suspect that like me you will find it presents a different picture to any other cartridge you have heard: astonishing attack, speed and dynamics and sheer, almost palpable, sense of presence, but tonally neutral it ain't.


I'm looking forward to it. Deccas may not have the 'big-boned', organic, sound I generally like in cartridges, but in my limited experience of them so far they get it right, musically, in most areas of their presentation - and that's ultimately what matters most!


Yes, we did polish off the Amarone with venison steak. Will post my thoughts shortly. In fact I enjoyed it so much I will probably buy another bottle. All I have to do is find an excuse to celebrate: how about on reading your report of the Decca? That would be a good enough excuse!


Lol - I'll do my best (time is a factor), but I'll certainly let you know what I think. Glad the Amarone hit the spot - I thought it would! :)

I know as much as you do about the Pierre Clement. However, it's pedigree strongly suggests that it would be right up my street (and perhaps yours).

Marco.

Barry
14-09-2010, 07:52
You've got me going Marco over your mention of the Pierre Clément cartridge (half of the references seem spell his name with an é). Here's what I found so far:
http://www.vinylengine.com/library/pierre-clement.shtml
Clément worked for ORTF and designed the cartridge for broadcast use.
Clement: Main supplier for the french RTF (Radio Télévision Française). Joined SCHLUMBERGER SA. after Pierre Clément's death in 1971. (Are there two Clements, one spelt with an é, the other without?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qiXyKZkbnHo/TCn-NHn2N-I/AAAAAAAAB9A/lQqv-aTAwCg/s1600/transferred.jpg
Photo: Kuri Saxo
Look at that arm! This is what the corner of my listening room will look like if I do too many reviews for AoS!

http://test.grados.com/HIFI/Clement/Clement%20tubes%202.JPGhttp://test.grados.com/HIFI/Clement/Cel%20mono%201.JPG
Photo: Christian Grados

http://www.analog-collector.com/bonus/cellules/default.htm
1,200 Euro (~£1K), that's competitive with many modern MCs.

http://www.lebong.de/phono-monotube/cellule-clement.jpg
Photo: Johannes LeBong
Many Pierre Clément cartridges seem to be mono only, with a unique coaxial connection to the arm. According to LeBong, the PC cartridge was a variable reluctance design; that would account for the high 20mV output. This is confirmed here:
http://www.archeophone.org/Clement/indexwith.php
which also shows an elaborate adapter for use with arms using the SME/EIA bayonet coupling.

Here's a photo of the Bordereau deck that continued to be made under licence by Schlumberger (their model 212 deck) and supplied to Bordereau.

http://test.grados.com/HIFI/Schlumberger/Schulm%20212%203.JPG
Photo: Christian Grados

(Apologies for the size of some of these photos; I hate having to scroll horizontally, even when you set the page to be full screen width.)

Marco
14-09-2010, 08:14
Wonderful stuff, Barry!!

Now that's a proper hi-fi system... And like you say, look at that bloody tank-like tonearm on the (nearest) TD-124 - I think I'm in love!!! :eek: :lol:

I wonder what the cartridge is on the Bordereau - I like the look of that, too!

Marco.

Barry
14-09-2010, 08:25
Wonderful stuff, Barry!!

Now that's a proper hi-fi system... And like you say, look at that bloody tank-like tonearm on the (nearest) TD-124 - I think I'm in love!!! :eek: :lol:

I wonder what the cartridge is on the Bordereau - I like the look of that, too!

Marco.

Haha! Size isn't everything you know, though I will admit I attracted to 'chunky' pickup arms: The Sryinx PU2; The Breuer; the early Kuzmas; most Ortofons (including the Jelco ones); all SMEs and EMTs, and even the Linn 'Tick-tock' (pretend you didn't read that last bit!).

Regards

Marco
14-09-2010, 08:56
Indeed! In my experience, the high-mass arm/cartridge route has a distinctive way of reproducing music compared to its low or medium-mass equivalent......

It's a subject I've always found fascinating - and I absolutely adore any kind of high-quality broadcast equipment from the era when sound quality mattered more in broadcasting stations than anything else! :)

Marco.

Alex_UK
14-09-2010, 09:25
Anyway, another 'looker' in the T/T stakes for me, I give you the 'eye-wateringly gorgeous' (;)) Thorens TD 550 (unfortunately though it's not 'vintage'):

Eye-watering refers to the price too, I suspect... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300467658228&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1123#ht_500wt_1154

Marco
14-09-2010, 09:41
Interesting in the darker finish.....

Indeed, Alex. Sometimes you get what you pay for, though, and I'm a big fan of Swiss engineering. If I were into the belt-drive approach, I'd have one in a flash! :)

Marco.

Beobloke
14-09-2010, 10:07
Good choice Marco - I'm a big fan of the TD550.

I would even go as far as to sat that, all things taken into consideration and considering its performance in every area, it's probably the best all-round turntable I have heard to date. Definitely near the top of my "I really didn't want to give it back" review items list as well!

Marco
14-09-2010, 17:14
Hi Adam,

Top notch, aren't they? I just love the engineering quality. Yes, they're expensive, but I feel in this instance one could almost justify the outlay, as the material value and overall quality of the 'fit and finish' is almost second to none.

I've always liked Thorens T/Ts. I've owned a few, and like the TD-124 best. My biggest regret was trading in a TD-125 with an SME 3009 (fixed headshell type) for an LP12/Valhalla/Akito. The Linn was utter pants in comparison! :doh:

Will you be going to Whittlebury Hall? If so, we must meet up for a few :cool:

Marco.

Beobloke
15-09-2010, 09:32
Sorry to say I won't be at Whittlebury Hall this year - the upcoming two weeks were the only time the wife could easily take off for holiday and so we'll be in Naples. I'm sure I'll cope with the disappointment......;)

I must admit that I'm not a particular Thorens fan and I have to say that I never really got on with the TD125 that I owned, but I do like the old TD150Mk2 and would like to hear a properly set up TD124, Also the TD224 autochanger has been top of my turntable wants list for longer than I can remember!

I just thought the TD550 ticked every box I look for in a good turntable and it is beautifully built and styled, as you rightly say.

Marco
15-09-2010, 12:26
No worries, Adam - I'd settle for Naples, too!

Hope you guys have a great time :cool:

Marco.

Marco
18-09-2010, 12:07
More Bourdereau magic for Barry (notice the Shure SC35C cartridges being used for broadcast purposes at Radio France)....


http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/7753/bourdereau1.jpg (http://img696.imageshack.us/i/bourdereau1.jpg/)



http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/3416/bourdereau2.jpg (http://img828.imageshack.us/i/bourdereau2.jpg/)



http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/1219/bourdereau4.jpg (http://img641.imageshack.us/i/bourdereau4.jpg/)


And a gorgeously industrial looking, tank-like, Shlumberger:


http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/3747/schlumbergertd2222.jpg (http://img155.imageshack.us/i/schlumbergertd2222.jpg/)


Man, I just love stuff like that (it's serious trouser-tenting material!).....proper turntables - none of yer namby-pamby, flimsy, low-mass belt-drive shite!! :eek: :eyebrows:

Marco.

DSJR
18-09-2010, 17:46
I must admit that I'm not a particular Thorens fan and I have to say that I never really got on with the TD125 that I owned, but I do like the old TD150Mk2 and would like to hear a properly set up TD124, Also the TD224 autochanger has been top of my turntable wants list for longer than I can remember!



You know what I'm going to say - the TD125 wasn't set up right and neither did it probably have the correct mat on it......... :ner:

The 125 is dependant on the tolerances in the main bearing, the suspension setup once the sponge is removed from the springs, the arm cable dressing (cable needs to be anchored before exit, a bit like the LP12) and the belt MUST be replaced regularly with the pukka article (they're readily available again). Do this and you'll end up with a pretty truthful sounding turntable, albeit without the meat-n-two-veg of the Garrards or possibly the stability of a decent 124, although I'm not too sure about this as the 125 bettered the 124 in every then conceivable way at the time and the 124's were selling for around £25 each on the used market... In fact, I seem to remember more being thought of the 301 back in the mid seventies.....

Barry
18-09-2010, 18:22
More Bourdereau magic for Barry (notice the Shure SC35C cartridges being used for broadcast purposes at Radio France)....


http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/7753/bourdereau1.jpg (http://img696.imageshack.us/i/bourdereau1.jpg/)



http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/3416/bourdereau2.jpg (http://img828.imageshack.us/i/bourdereau2.jpg/)



http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/1219/bourdereau4.jpg (http://img641.imageshack.us/i/bourdereau4.jpg/)


And a gorgeously industrial looking, tank-like, Shlumberger:


http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/3747/schlumbergertd2222.jpg (http://img155.imageshack.us/i/schlumbergertd2222.jpg/)


Man, I just love stuff like that (it's serious trouser-tenting material!).....proper turntables - none of yer namby-pamby, flimsy, low-mass belt-drive shite!! :eek: :eyebrows:

Marco.

Whoar! Where did you find those photos Marco? I've seen the Shlumberger 212 elsewhere - I think on Stefano Pasini's own web site. The Boudereau turntables were built like a tank but had a poor reputation for rumble. What do you suppose the tube-like appendage attached to the arm rest is for?


Man, I just love stuff like that (it's serious trouser-tenting material!).....

Hmmm, maybe you shouldn't see my EMT 930. Not unless, that is, you bring Tabatha along to clean up afterwards! :eyebrows:

Regards

Beechwoods
18-09-2010, 18:27
I love them... fantastic industrial design... very Stellavox I think :)

DSJR
18-09-2010, 22:29
isn't the tubular appendage for setting playing weight???? maybe i'm thinking of the wrong appendage :eyebrows:

I also love these decks where the record is definitely the servant of the player, if you know what I mean... I'm getting a bit fed up with wimpy decks where the LP itself dictates everything...........

Barry
18-09-2010, 22:32
isn't the tubular appendage for setting playing weight???? maybe i'm thinking of the wrong appendage :eyebrows:

I also love these decks where the record is definitely the servant of the player, if you know what I mean... I'm getting a bit fed up with wimpy decks where the LP itself dictates everything...........

Hi Dave,

I'm referring to the arm rest - just to the left of the cuing light.

Regards

The Grand Wazoo
18-09-2010, 22:33
I thought it looked like a liquid coolant pipe.

Barry
18-09-2010, 22:38
I wonder if it is a pneumatic or hydraulic device to lock the arm safely in the arm rest?

Come to think of it, how is the arm cued and where is the arm lift/lower mechanism?

Marco
18-09-2010, 22:52
I thought it looked like a liquid coolant pipe.

It's a turbo-charger, Chris, to give the sound more VRRROOOOOOM! :eyebrows:


Come to think of it, how is the arm cued and where is the arm lift/lower mechanism?


There isn't one, Barry - such things are for wimps! Hand-cueing is where it's at ;)

Remember also that with the sheer torque of those broadcast decks, all the DJ would do is place the stylus on the groove (at the start of whatever song he wanted to play), with the platter at a stationary position, and then hit the start button! The platter would be up to speed in fraction of a second, so there's no need for arm lift/lowering mechanisms.

Marco (who always hand-cues his records).

The Grand Wazoo
21-09-2010, 07:32
If you need a decent pair of headphones..........and if you're quick..........

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Grado-RS1-headphones-/280560701170?pt=UK_AudioVisualElectronics_HomeAudi oHiFi_Headphones&hash=item4152b88ef2

Grado RS1

Rare Bird
21-09-2010, 12:46
Can i just butt in cos this is bugging me, i had this again the other day for the fifth time this year! When i ask about condition of an item (cos i am anal about it, but they don't know how much so) Why do they always say ''What do expect for the age of it, if you are so fussy, why not buy new from a shop!'' That cop out really get up my nose. But spot the section that makes no sence whats so ever, i've underlined it to help you a bit :lolsign:

Marco
21-09-2010, 13:41
Yeah, like you can walk into a shop and buy vintage Ferrographs or Quads new? Fudburgers! :mental:

Marco.

DSJR
21-09-2010, 13:43
I think you have to accept that anything that has been un-wrapped from its sealed box is going to get the odd mark and scratch in the course of use. That's fine to me. When I see stuff that's been downright abused however, I do get a bit cross..

Andr'e, I know where you are, having had a manic fusspot friend for thirty years who covers everything in plastic sheets when not in use and uses cotton gloves to operate his gear. He got peed off because his Revoxes developed noisy switches through not being used. Last I heard, he'd power them up for a few minutes every few months or so to give the parts some use. he also bought a c.1900 German grand-daughter clock and wouldn't run it because it would wear out. Bearing in mind this thing had run for decades with no problem save servicing every so often, I told him he'd do more harm not running it as the lubricants would dry out..

Rare Bird
21-09-2010, 17:46
Just when i thought i was alone with the cotton gloves thing :lolsign:

spendorman
21-09-2010, 17:56
Just when i thought i was alone with the cotton gloves thing :lolsign:

Rubber gloves here!

Spectral Morn
21-09-2010, 19:15
How things are described anywhere is a bug bear of mine too....what does tidy mean etc :scratch:

Just tell in detail everything that is wrong.....buyer knows what they are getting and thus there are no surprises, bad feedback, unpleasantness etc.....a few lost sales perhaps.


Regards D S D L

Alex_UK
03-10-2010, 06:49
Nice looking Radford SC22 Stereo Control Unit on ebay (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Radford-SC22-stereo-control-unit-/300475770513?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Amplifiers&hash=item45f5c06691#ht_500wt_1154) at the moment. Not sure I would trust the seller, though... ;)

spendorman
03-10-2010, 07:08
Nice looking Radford SC22 Stereo Control Unit on ebay (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Radford-SC22-stereo-control-unit-/300475770513?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Amplifiers&hash=item45f5c06691#ht_500wt_1154) at the moment. Not sure I would trust the seller, though... ;)

I always liked the look of the SC22, mine came with The STA25 III and matching FM tuner that I bought decades ago.

Just to remind anyone interested, the SC22 needs HT and LT to work. This is normally supplied by the valve power amplifier via a special cable which has octal connectors. An external power supply (of internal) could be added.

The SC22P has a power supply already built in, so can be used with any power amplifier.

DSJR
03-10-2010, 08:54
Cambridge R40's from a seller I've used with no problem -

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380274852990&ssPageName=ADME:B:FSEL:GB:1123

I don't know where their stock comes from, but it may be ex police-recovered stuff for all I know. The item I bought was well packed and perfect for the spares I needed.

spendorman
03-10-2010, 09:15
Cambridge R40's from a seller I've used with no problem -

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380274852990&ssPageName=ADME:B:FSEL:GB:1123

I don't know where their stock comes from, but it may be ex police-recovered stuff for all I know. The item I bought was well packed and perfect for the spares I needed.

Worth the money just for the B110's, assuming that they are OK.

I bought B&W DM4's and JR149's from the same supplier, very good. I collected from their warehouse.

hifi_dave
03-10-2010, 09:29
Nice looking Radford SC22 Stereo Control Unit on ebay (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Radford-SC22-stereo-control-unit-/300475770513?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Amplifiers&hash=item45f5c06691#ht_500wt_1154) at the moment. Not sure I would trust the seller, though... ;)

Cheeky sod.

Marco
03-10-2010, 12:20
Gosh, that's gorgeous, Dave! What does it sound like? :)

Also, what valves does it use?

Marco.

spendorman
03-10-2010, 12:32
A friend is using Radford SC22 and STA20 (yes 20). He tried a Quad 77 preamp instead of the SC22 and prefers the SC22 to the Quad.

The rest of his stuff includes RAM LS3/5a, Spendor BC1, Thorens TD124 II/ SME,various cartridges and Quad CDP2 CD player.

hifi_dave
03-10-2010, 15:25
Gosh, that's gorgeous, Dave! What does it sound like? :)

Also, what valves does it use?

Marco.

Sorry, it's been a while since I sat and listened to one but from memory it's a bit warm and cuddly. It would be a good unit to tinker with I'm sure as it is all laid out nicely inside, with four (unknown) tubes I believe.

You might find more info on the SC22 in The Art of Sound Library.

spendorman
03-10-2010, 15:28
Sorry, it's been a while since I sat and listened to one but from memory it's a bit warm and cuddly. It would be a good unit to tinker with I'm sure as it is all laid out nicely inside, with four (unknown) tubes I believe.

You might find more info on the SC22 in The Art of Sound Library.

Not according to my friend, he says it's very detailed, hears things that he's missed using the Quad 77 pre.

He reckons that it's phono stage is very good, quiet too.

spendorman
03-10-2010, 15:53
This arrived the other day:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230530859383&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

Bought because a musician friend reckons that the amp sounds nice, he has plenty of stuff to compare it to. eg. Rogers Junior Stereo power amplifier, Quad 44, two Quad 405's (upgraded and serviced by yours truly), Affordable Amplifier Company EL34 amp (pretty good), several NAD,s Tannoy 12" Chatsworths, Quad ESL63 and more.

Well, I have to agree with him, B&O Beolab 1700 is very nice sounding. The tuner has a fault on one channel, will have to look at that.

Both tuner and amp were very dirty outside, but pretty clean inside. They cleaned up pretty well. Inside, sealed in miniature envelopes, were circuit diagrams, a nice touch.

Pic after cleaning and using Teak Oil on the wood.

The flash has caught it and shows where it's not cleaned that well. Not noticeable in ordinary light.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4087/5047219917_5990c47744_b.jpg

hifi_dave
03-10-2010, 16:07
Not according to my friend, he says it's very detailed, hears things that he's missed using the Quad 77 pre.

He reckons that it's phono stage is very good, quiet too.

That might well be. It's years since I have used one and that was straight out of a skip, so a good one could be a useful tool. I've only ever bothered with the power amps.

The SC22 I am selling is very grubby inside so it needs some TLC but it did work with CD when I last tried it. The circuit inside does look a lot more promising than the inside of a Quad 22 or Leak pre, both of which are masses of wire and switching and not much else.

spendorman
03-10-2010, 16:13
That might well be. It's years since I have used one and that was straight out of a skip, so a good one could be a useful tool. I've only ever bothered with the power amps.

The SC22 I am selling is very grubby inside so it needs some TLC but it did work with CD when I last tried it. The circuit inside does look a lot more promising than the inside of a Quad 22 or Leak pre, both of which are masses of wire and switching and not much else.

His one is grubby inside (so is mine!) and I have not used my SC22 for about 25 years!! A problem with most of these old valve pre amps is that when one connects a modern tape? (or cassette) recorder to the tape output, it loads that too much and affects the sound coming out of the speakers. This was a problem with Rogers and Quad as well.

Barry
03-10-2010, 18:24
This arrived the other day:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230530859383&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

Bought because a musician friend reckons that the amp sounds nice, he has plenty of stuff to compare it to. eg. Rogers Junior Stereo power amplifier, Quad 44, two Quad 405's (upgraded and serviced by yours truly), Affordable Amplifier Company EL34 amp (pretty good), several NAD,s Tannoy 12" Chatsworths, Quad ESL63 and more.

Well, I have to agree with him, B&O Beolab 1700 is very nice sounding. The tuner has a fault on one channel, will have to look at that.

Both tuner and amp were very dirty outside, but pretty clean inside. They cleaned up pretty well. Inside, sealed in miniature envelopes, were circuit diagrams, a nice touch.

Pic after cleaning and using Teak Oil on the wood.

The flash has caught it and shows where it's not cleaned that well. Not noticeable in ordinary light.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4087/5047219917_5990c47744_b.jpg

Excellent purchase there Paul.

I paid £20 for the tuner alone, but am very pleased with it. It could well be the tuner (out of six that I have) that remains in my system. I would place its sound as lying between that of the Leak Troughline and the Quad FM3.

The tuning cursor on yours is in better condition than mine. Mine has becomed slightly cloudy; possible due to being exposed to solvent fumes. You have cleaned both up nicely - no doubt through following the excellent advice provided by AoS members in the Library article. :)

Regards

spendorman
03-10-2010, 18:39
Excellent purchase there Paul.

I paid £20 for the tuner alone, but am very pleased with it. It could well be the tuner (out of six that I have) that remains in my system. I would place its sound as lying between that of the Leak Troughline and the Quad FM3.

The tuning cursor on yours is in better condition than mine. Mine has becomed slightly cloudy; possible due to being exposed to solvent fumes. You have cleaned both up nicely - no doubt through following the excellent advice provided by AoS members in the Library article. :)

Regards

Yes the friend that I referred to also has the Beomaster 1700 tuner, bought it new when they first came out. Never had any problems with it, reckons that the sound is very good.

My Beomaster, as mentioned is dead on one channel. I have got a Sterofetic that had a similar faullt, found a faulty transistor after the decoder. Replaced that, all OK.

Trouble is that the 1700 tuner does not look that easy to get at things. I will have a try at repairing some time.

Actually, I informed the seller of the B&O amp and tuner that the tuner was dead on one channel and he offered a £17.50 refund.

The power on light in the 1700 amp was not working, did not have filament lamp the same, so replaced it with a LED.

If you can get your tuning cursor off, you could try Brasso or Duraglit on it, bet that would sort out that cloudy problem.

I've been cleaning up and sorting Hi Fi for a long time, over 40 years, there seems to be no cure.

Rare Bird
03-10-2010, 18:47
I liked the Beolab 5000 amp, The beogram 3000:TD124 based vinyl grinder was cool aswell..

Barry
03-10-2010, 19:18
Gosh, that's gorgeous, Dave! What does it sound like? :)

Also, what valves does it use?

Marco.

For information on the SC22 you might like to have a look at:

http://www.bonavolta.ch/hobby/en/audio/radford.htm

and read (not easy, due to the small print):

http://www.gramophone.net/Issue/Page/January%201966/106/738456

The SC22 used 2 x ECC83 valves with a BC107 transistor in the disc circuit per channel. It also took its HT and heater supplies from the power amp as was usual at that time (the Quad 22, Leak, Lowther and Rogers preamps did the same). The CS22 used +375V on pin 7; earth, pin 2; with 6.3V AC heater supply on pins 1 and 8 of the octal connector.

Without wishing to in any way to scupper Dave’s success in selling the preamp on eBay, I have to say that it, along with the other preamps mentioned, now sound quite poor compared to today’s offerings. Good in their day, but now best regarded as hi-fi objects d’art. Unless, of course you use a Radford power amplifier and want to have the matching preamp.

Like you Marco, I think the Radford has the lovely retro looks of the ‘60s, along with the Quad and Leak gear. It could serve as an elegant chassis/basis for a re-build, using more up-to-date circuit topology and components. If you like the look of the SC22 with the heavily chromed trim, spun metal knobs and (very British) push buttons, why not consider the Sugden C51?

http://i780.photobucket.com/albums/yy88/barrydhunt/012-1.jpg?t=1286132651

Interestingly (or perversely, if you prefer) it too takes its power supply from the power amp, but in this case it is one of 16-18V DC. You could even use a couple of PP9s batteries and have yourself a battery-powered preamp. Like the Quad 22 it had provision for plug-in modules for the ‘Special’ (disc) input. One of the modules obtainable was for the Miniconic strain gauge pick-up (Soundcraftsman were not the first). It uses a lot of obsolete Farranti ZXT transistors, and like the valve preamps being discussed, it’s performance fall somewhat short by today’s standards.

Regards

Techno Commander
03-10-2010, 19:57
Townsend Elite Rock/RB300/Denon 103 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Townshend-Elite-Rock-Rega-RB300-Denon-103-/230531503447?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Turntables&hash=item35acbf9557) packege for less than £300 with a day to go..

spendorman
04-10-2010, 12:24
These might be a bargain:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/DITTON-CELESTION-11-NEAR-MINT-PAIR-GAURANTEED-GOOD-/230530666039?pt=UK_AudioVideoElectronics_HomeAudio HiFi_HiFiSpeakers&hash=item35acb2ce37

It is from the seller that I bought the B&O 1700 tuner and amplifier from.

aquapiranha
05-10-2010, 19:06
Not really a 'bargain' but look as if they would sound amazing to me anyway!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Tannoy-FSM-high-end-audio-speakers-studio-monitors-/300473476110?pt=UK_AudioVideoElectronics_HomeAudio HiFi_HiFiSpeakers&hash=item45f59d640e

Reid Malenfant
05-10-2010, 19:16
:wow: They look good don't they :) Looks like a 15" DC mated to a 15" bass driver, i bet they make some nice noise & lots of it to :eyebrows:

John
05-10-2010, 19:17
This looks like it could be really interesting not heard it myself but looks like it could be really good
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Vintage-Tannoy-SR840-MosFet-Amplifier-/170548511279?pt=UK_Consumer_VintageAudio_RL&hash=item27b57bc22f

Reid Malenfant
05-10-2010, 19:21
Look at those lovely great big heatsinks :) Not a fan in sight, now watching in "my ebay" :eyebrows:

John
05-10-2010, 19:27
me too

Ali Tait
05-10-2010, 19:28
And me!

The Grand Wazoo
05-10-2010, 19:28
That's a Tresham in Tannoy trousers

hifi_dave
05-10-2010, 19:30
That was a Tresham and before that it was Paice. Back in the day, we sold a few of those and it's half power sibling. Powerful and reliable but a bit rough and ready by today's standards.

John
05-10-2010, 19:31
cheers for the tip

Reid Malenfant
05-10-2010, 19:32
I don't care if it's Oliver Hardy in Tannoy trousers :eyebrows: That's a lot of amp & judging by the specs it has a damn good PSU as well. 50W loss at 4ohm when 8 is 250W is going some, it's got good regulation & no doubt pretty hefty PSU caps :stalks: Even if it's a little rough around the edges...

The Grand Wazoo
05-10-2010, 19:32
.......much better put Dave, thank you!

DSJR
05-10-2010, 19:35
HiFi Choice liked it as it was well behaved, if a touch "dry" in tone.

The Grand Wazoo
05-10-2010, 19:46
HiFi Choice Issue No. 44 (1986)

http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/2834/imglr.jpg

Rare Bird
05-10-2010, 22:27
Theres a Incadesign 'ID25' power amp up for graps..Someone wants to grab that. I totally regret letting mine go, infact i swapped it for a pile of rare albums. :mental:

Alex_UK
05-10-2010, 22:40
Theres a Incadesign 'ID25' power amp up for graps..Someone wants to grab that. I totally regret letting mine go, infact i swapped it for a pile of rare albums. :mental:

Buggered if I can find it... could you post a link, Andre?

Alex_UK
06-10-2010, 18:15
Picked up a pair of Jamo E 530 speakers as new on ebay (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140459094866&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT#ht_500wt_896) - collected them just now - no idea if they are any good, (anyone know anything about them? Couldn't find much info on the web) but for £15 I can hardly complain! They are destined to be used in my 4th system in the summerhouse so I didn't want to spend a lot. I'll hook them up later and see how they sound.

DSJR
06-10-2010, 18:25
Jamo were Europe's biggest speaker maker for some years and I don't think the ones you've bought will be at all bad, in fact quite the opposite if memory serves.

For £15 and in Ipswich too - bloomin' ell, you lucky beggar :lol:

The Vinyl Adventure
06-10-2010, 18:27
I been watchin that tannoy thing too...
Im really glad I'm not the only person who spends time needlessly mooching on eBay ...

DSJR
06-10-2010, 18:31
Do you lot want a scan of the 'Choice review?????

Barry
06-10-2010, 18:32
Picked up a pair of Jamo E 530 speakers as new on ebay (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140459094866&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT#ht_500wt_896) - collected them just now - no idea if they are any good, (anyone know anything about them? Couldn't find much info on the web) but for £15 I can hardly complain! They are destined to be used in my 4th system in the summerhouse so I didn't want to spend a lot. I'll hook them up later and see how they sound.

4th system! :eek: Is that so no matter how inebriated you are, you are close to one music making system or another? :eyebrows:

Jamo are a well respected Danish (?) speaker manufacturer. They are used in recording studios.

http://www.audioreview.com/cat/speakers/bookshelf-speakers/jamo/e530/PRD_328142_4290crx.aspx

I use a pair of even cheaper (they were free) Eltax speakers in my 'audio-visual' system. Eltax are/were, I believe, a division of Jamo.

Regards

Techno Commander
06-10-2010, 18:33
Those Tannoys are rather epic. They would require some serious furniture re-arrangements though. :)

http://p4.piczo.com/img/i197977025_35501_4.jpg

DSJR
06-10-2010, 19:30
What about some JBL's -

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/JBL-4312A-CONTROL-MONITORS-/360302309897?pt=UK_Consumer_Professional_RL&hash=item53e3b0f209

I nearly bought a pair of these blind as I loved the 4310mk2 that were sold for a short while by Harman UK. the little ATC actives came along at a bargain price instead, but for £500 you've got a Tannoy-esque immediacy but tamed over the 70's 4312 versions..

Reid Malenfant
06-10-2010, 19:38
What about some JBL's -

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/JBL-4312A-CONTROL-MONITORS-/360302309897?pt=UK_Consumer_Professional_RL&hash=item53e3b0f209

:eyebrows: No way, that's the imaging shot to hell with the driver arrangement unless they are very carefully set up. Much easier to get a good stereo image with the drivers in a vertical line. Or the mid & treble drivers in a vertical line but offset from the woofer which can help with woofer/mid time alignment a la NS1000 ;)

Alex_UK
06-10-2010, 19:50
Thanks chaps... Yes Barry, I have too much clutter, really, and I just enjoy trying different things, and systems just keep appearing with the bargains I find! :lol: All harmless fun, there's far worse things I could spend my money on, like wine, oh, um, well drugs then! :)

Barry
06-10-2010, 20:05
Thanks chaps... Yes Barry, I have too much clutter, really, and I just enjoy trying different things, and systems just keep appearing with the bargains I find! :lol: All harmless fun, there's far worse things I could spend my money on, like wine, oh, um, well drugs then! :)

Don't feel bad about it Alex, speakers apart, I have enough bits and pieces to put together four vinyl + tuner + tape systems.

Regards

Techno Commander
07-10-2010, 23:13
I think someone is having a laugh here.

Tannoy Silvers (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TANNOY-silver-15-speakers-/270642239204?pt=UK_AudioVideoElectronics_HomeAudio HiFi_HiFiSpeakers&hash=item3f0388d6e4).

Spectral Morn
07-10-2010, 23:21
Its probably meant to be £650..... yes...no ?


Regards D S D L

REM
08-10-2010, 07:51
Its probably meant to be £650..... yes...no ?


Regards D S D L

No, that's a trader, he's been listing them for a while I think, a pair of blacks were recently listed for a lot more than that, not sure if they sold though.

People regularly list golds for £1-2k depending on size and a pair of 10" reds in homemade cabs recently went for around £1.5k:mental:.

Alex_UK
08-10-2010, 10:03
I've confessed to the missus that I bought the little Jamos (speakers are the hardest things to smuggle in, I think! ;) - not that she minds really, but she does have a point on just how many hifi bits we need in the house - she once referred to our house as Currys when showing a friend round for the first time :o) - I'm still evaluating the film caps in the Caiman so I'll give them a proper try over the weekend but a quick listen suggests that they seem very good indeed, especially for £15! Bass was surprisingly good for the size and great imaging, with no harshness I could detect.

Ali Tait
08-10-2010, 10:48
If you mean the caps Alex, the size has nowt to do with bass response.

Spectral Morn
08-10-2010, 11:05
No, that's a trader, he's been listing them for a while I think, a pair of blacks were recently listed for a lot more than that, not sure if they sold though.

People regularly list golds for £1-2k depending on size and a pair of 10" reds in homemade cabs recently went for around £1.5k:mental:.

Okay


Shows how little I know about vintage Tannoy speakers and their drive units......i.e next to nothing.

There was another item listed recently for thousands which was a mistake, so logically I thought that this listing was as well.

£6500 for a pair of drive units :eek: even a few thousand seems like an awful lot to me.....oh well.


Regards D S D L

Alex_UK
08-10-2010, 11:18
If you mean the caps Alex, the size has nowt to do with bass response.

Sorry Ali, maybe I confused matters - I meant the Jamo E530 speakers I got from ebay had good bass for their (small) size.

Techno Commander
08-10-2010, 11:21
Okay


Shows how little I know about vintage Tannoy speakers and their drive units......i.e next to nothing.

There was another item listed recently for thousands which was a mistake, so logically I thought that this listing was as well.

£6500 for a pair of drive units :eek: even a few thousand seems like an awful lot to me.....oh well.


Regards D S D L

When you consider those Tannoy Pro monitors with 15" DC and 15" bass units wre only £3.5K the pair, then these drivers are severely over priced.

Rare Bird
08-10-2010, 11:28
Never like Tannoy bar one pair i had for years, i was suprised to see a pair for sale a bit back..

DSJR
08-10-2010, 13:40
Just get some DC2000's or 3000's while they're still cheap and SMILE :lol:

Ali Tait
08-10-2010, 15:42
Dave,how do they compare to 615's and 638's?

DSJR
08-10-2010, 16:19
Different world Ali, different world...:lol:

To put into perspective, the "real" tannoy DC's are in another world of subtlety as well, but the 2000's and 3000's are currently rather affordable I think still and would almost certainly benefot from a crossover re-vamp. I don't know the T185 that Andr'e likes, but a PFMer bought some T165's (10" plastic cone but no ABR or second bass unit) and rated them very highly. There were some DMT10's going for little dosh on fleabay last night and although meant for small studios, they look really good to me and less intrusive than vinyl wrap "black ash."

Techno Commander
08-10-2010, 17:38
There seems to be a glut of decent Tannoys on ebay at the moment.

Pair of J30s (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Tannoy-J30-Floorstanding-Speakers-Full-Working-OrderVGC-/160486870217?pt=UK_AudioVideoElectronics_HomeAudio HiFi_HiFiSpeakers&hash=item255dc34cc9) for £50 only 4 hours to go.

Little Gold Monitors (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Tannoy-LGM-Little-Gold-Monitors-12-SRM-12-Reconed-/250706764464?pt=UK_AudioVideoElectronics_HomeAudio HiFi_HiFiSpeakers&hash=item3a5f49a2b0)

SRM-15X (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Tannoy-Super-Red-Monitors-SRM-15X-rarest-all-/150495820525?pt=UK_AudioVideoElectronics_HomeAudio HiFi_HiFiSpeakers&hash=item230a3ffaed) (311 litre cabinet, makes Marcos Lockwoods look small :))

MartinT
08-10-2010, 17:43
No way, that's the imaging shot to hell with the driver arrangement unless they are very carefully set up. Much easier to get a good stereo image with the drivers in a vertical line.

That's one of the reasons why I always liked the JBL 250Ti. Very rare, bloody good speakers.

Rare Bird
08-10-2010, 19:19
Tomorrow i will win the best ever CD player no matter of it's origins ;)

Reid Malenfant
08-10-2010, 19:29
Tomorrow i will win the best ever CD player no matter of it's origins ;)
I want some of what you're on :lol:

:cool: :drugs:

Ali Tait
08-10-2010, 19:59
Different world Ali, different world...:lol:

To put into perspective, the "real" tannoy DC's are in another world of subtlety as well, but the 2000's and 3000's are currently rather affordable I think still and would almost certainly benefot from a crossover re-vamp. I don't know the T185 that Andr'e likes, but a PFMer bought some T165's (10" plastic cone but no ABR or second bass unit) and rated them very highly. There were some DMT10's going for little dosh on fleabay last night and although meant for small studios, they look really good to me and less intrusive than vinyl wrap "black ash."

:) OK, is that a good different world or a bad different world? It's a serious question, as I'm considering a pair of all of the above,so obviously I'd like to get the best bang for my buck!

Ultimately I will be running the statics with direct coupled valve amps,so that is not really practical for an AV type system as the amps will consume a LOT of power, so will just be used for music. I currently have a pair of DIY MLTL's using Fostex Fe167e's with Fostex Fe17h supertweeters that I use for AV,but these are really too good for this purpose,being very good at playing music but a little refined for AV.

Now,I've read on a few forums that a lot of folks like using these types of Tannoys for AV,so what would you advise? DC 2/3000's,or would I be better with 638's or 615's?

Marco
09-10-2010, 06:38
I think someone is having a laugh here.

Tannoy Silvers (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TANNOY-silver-15-speakers-/270642239204?pt=UK_AudioVideoElectronics_HomeAudio HiFi_HiFiSpeakers&hash=item3f0388d6e4).

Lol - it was Chris from Big Ears Audio from whom I bought my Lockwoods (and Tannoy Monitor Golds)! :eyebrows:

Chris is a great guy to deal with, and let there be no mistake, what he sells is TOP NOTCH, especially with the drive units having been serviced by Lockwood, so those Slivers (which are VERY rare indeed) will be absolutely mint and probably one of the nicest examples you'll ever find, *but* I reckon he's around £1.5k heavy with the price....

Yes, realistically, they're probably worth about £5k. You're talking late 1940s/early 1950s when these drive units were produced. Only the Monitor Blacks are older and rarer still. As he's put them on a 'Buy it Now/Offer' on Ebay, I suspect if someone offered him £5-5.5k they'd land them.

Don't be surprised though if they sell to some wealthy Japanese audiophile (the intended target market, I suspect), for whom £6.5k is peanuts! All you need then are some cabinets ;)

Marco.

Marco
09-10-2010, 06:58
SRM-15X (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Tannoy-Super-Red-Monitors-SRM-15X-rarest-all-/150495820525?pt=UK_AudioVideoElectronics_HomeAudio HiFi_HiFiSpeakers&hash=item230a3ffaed) (311 litre cabinet, makes Marcos Lockwoods look small :))

From Ebay seller:


Dimensions and weight are 103cm x 72cm x 42cm and approx 55 kg each.


Try again, Andy... The Lockwoods are 113cm high, 72cm wide, and 45cm deep, weigh 65kg each and have an internal volume of 320 Litres. Close, though! ;)

However, I can relate to this in the description:


Being rated at a very, very modest 120 watts the maximum peak SPL is stated at a mind boggling 121 dB !. In very gentlemen-like fashion the people at Tannoy warn you that "this kind of sound levels can cause permanent hearing damage". When listening, all the technical bla-bla translates into an effortless urge to reproduce about any kind of music at any sound level you wish. These speakers just never sound stressed.


Oh yesh indeedy - especially when they're pumping out Rammstein or heavy dance music at (near) concert levels with ZERO strain whatsoever.... I'm sure I can feel the walls move in time to my chest cavity! :eek: :lol:

:fingers: :rave:

Marco.

DSJR
09-10-2010, 08:01
I've forgotten who it was, but someone on PFM had some SRM15's ? with thick slate "top hats" sitting on the tops which improved them further.

Rare Bird
09-10-2010, 09:52
I don't know the T185 that Andr'e likes, but a PFMer bought some T165's (10" plastic cone but no ABR or second bass unit) and rated them very highly.



The 'T' range all used the same 10'' Dual Concentric, the T225: Mayfair & T185: Dorset were the ones with the ABR, T145: Ascot & the T165: Chester were the ones without

Techno Commander
09-10-2010, 10:12
Try again, Andy... The Lockwoods are 113cm high, 72cm wide, and 45cm deep, weigh 65kg each - and have an internal volume of 320 Litres. Close, though! ;)

Marco.

OK, you win. :):ner:

Ali Tait
09-10-2010, 11:38
:) OK, is that a good different world or a bad different world? It's a serious question, as I'm considering a pair of all of the above,so obviously I'd like to get the best bang for my buck!

Ultimately I will be running the statics with direct coupled valve amps,so that is not really practical for an AV type system as the amps will consume a LOT of power, so will just be used for music. I currently have a pair of DIY MLTL's using Fostex Fe167e's with Fostex Fe17h supertweeters that I use for AV,but these are really tozwo good for this purpose,being very good at playing music but a little refined for AV.

Now,I've read on a few forums that a lot of folks like using these types of Tannoys for AV,so what would you advise? DC 2/3000's,or would I be better with 638's or 615's?
Dave? I'd value your opinion please. Ta!

Ali Tait
09-10-2010, 12:55
Seen this-

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Yaqin-SD-32A-6N8P-Valve-Tube-Hi-End-HDCD-CD-Player-/320593179475?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Amplifiers&hash=item4aa4d7b353#ht_2414wt_1017

Dunno if it's any cop but looks good for the cash.

DSJR
09-10-2010, 15:00
Dave? I'd value your opinion please. Ta!

The Tannoy 600 series were squitty little tight a*sed things as I remember and better suited to budget systems with the speakers against a wall with flower-pots or ornaments on to complement the odd shape. NOTHING like the 2000's or 3000's which, despite their ugly proportions or cheaper finish, have a fair amount of the magic of the "real" ones. Indeed, I believe Tannoy made some "proper" alternatives using developments of the HPD series drivers, but I don't think they sold much in the UK and I never saw them in the flesh. By this time you see, one bought an LP12 with NAD amp and some Wharfedale Diamonds to make up a properly balanced system :rolleyes:

spendorman
09-10-2010, 15:08
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290482939619&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Quick

Rare Bird
09-10-2010, 15:20
I've been watching them for a while, i'm suprised they are not fetching more but there's time i suppose.

StanleyB
09-10-2010, 15:43
I watched a pair last year and they rocketed from less than £100 to nearly a grand in the last two minutes. So the current low price is more than likely a prelude to the final fireworks.

Rare Bird
09-10-2010, 16:31
I've just won myself an old Mission 'DAD7000R' CD player, this was the first CD player i bought in the mid 80's..There will be a hundred & one thing to do to it service wise but the most important is to modify it to Non Over Sampling..

This machine uses the Philips 'CDM1' Transport & 'TDA1540' dual dacs which are mono 'TDA1541'..Anyway it's near mint working, boxed with handbook & Remote £63.00..you'll do for me.

The Vinyl Adventure
09-10-2010, 16:51
Thats a pretty cool looking bit of kit andre!

StanleyB
09-10-2010, 16:54
There will be a hundred & one thing to do to it service wise but the most important is to modify it to Non Over Sampling..

Thet were non-oversampling designs as far as I can remember from my servicing days. Except for the IR PCB, the circuit is the same as the Philips CD104. I had a spare laser unit somewhere and possibly even the service manual.

Reid Malenfant
09-10-2010, 17:10
I watched a pair last year and they rocketed from less than £100 to nearly a grand in the last two minutes. So the current low price is more than likely a prelude to the final fireworks.
Not quite the grand you saw them at previously ;)

£258, someone probably got a bit of a bargain :eyebrows:

StanleyB
09-10-2010, 17:17
Sometime you can get a couple of buyers who have cash to spare and MUST HAVE an item. But sometimes it can be the other way round with few buyers about. Only last week I bought a Micro Seiki MA-505 arm for U$120... It was ending at 5.15AM... Normal eBay price is more like U$600 plus.

Rare Bird
09-10-2010, 17:21
Thet were non-oversampling designs as far as I can remember from my servicing days. Except for the IR PCB, the circuit is the same as the Philips CD104. I had a spare laser unit somewhere and possibly even the service manual.

I think they were NOS on the design board 14bit design, but it's a 16 bit oversampling machine i need to bin the SAA7000.. What are you doing with the lazer Stan? I'll probably get hold of a Philips '104' work on those boards indtead of messing with this machines boards.

StanleyB
09-10-2010, 17:33
I'll look for the bits Andre. I have some builders making a mess in my place, and had to pack away much of my stuff. I'll PM you as soon as I get my hand on my Philips spares box.

I think the output IC was the NE5532. If you update those with something more modern like say the LM4562 you'll be amazed what that old design can resolve.

Rare Bird
09-10-2010, 17:52
I'll look for the bits Andre. I have some builders making a mess in my place, and had to pack away much of my stuff. I'll PM you as soon as I get my hand on my Philips spares box.

I think the output IC was the NE5532. If you update those with something more modern like say the LM4562 you'll be amazed what that old design can resolve.

Much appreciated..Aye i change 'NE5532' for Analogue Devices 'AD712JN'

Ali Tait
09-10-2010, 18:35
The Tannoy 600 series were squitty little tight a*sed things as I remember and better suited to budget systems with the speakers against a wall with flower-pots or ornaments on to complement the odd shape. NOTHING like the 2000's or 3000's which, despite their ugly proportions or cheaper finish, have a fair amount of the magic of the "real" ones. Indeed, I believe Tannoy made some "proper" alternatives using developments of the HPD series drivers, but I don't think they sold much in the UK and I never saw them in the flesh. By this time you see, one bought an LP12 with NAD amp and some Wharfedale Diamonds to make up a properly balanced system :rolleyes:

Great thanks for that Dave.So you'd recommend the DC's over both the 615 and the 638?

Reid Malenfant
09-10-2010, 18:38
Great thanks for that Dave.So you'd recommend the DC's over both the 615 and the 638?
I would, all the 6 series use drivers with pressed steel chassis, The DCs use cast alloy ;)

DSJR
09-10-2010, 18:43
I would, all the 6 series use drivers with pressed steel chassis, The DCs use cast alloy ;)

Put it this way, if I hadn't been into ATC's at the time, I'd have given 'em house room...

Ali Tait
09-10-2010, 19:46
Ok thanks gents,DC's it is then!

sparrow
09-10-2010, 21:06
Not a bargain by a long way but I bought the Klaus Schulze Big In Japan 2 CD 1 DVD set on the bay last week..103 quid delivered from Hong Kong.

spendorman
10-10-2010, 11:36
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150501767606&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

JOE!BLOGGS
11-10-2010, 05:54
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn-qx7HR7nM

MartinT
11-10-2010, 05:57
What a crap video. Surely one photo would have got the job done?

Marco
11-10-2010, 11:16
Indeed, and more importantly, why do so-called 'audiophiles' listen to that bollocks 'hi-fi demo' music? :doh: :rolleyes:

What a waste of such fantastic speakers!

Marco.

Ali Tait
11-10-2010, 11:47
Anyone know the difference between the DC 2000 and the 3000?

Rare Bird
11-10-2010, 11:56
3000 has a bigger cabinet

Ali Tait
11-10-2010, 12:11
Cheers Andre. That the only difference?

Rare Bird
11-10-2010, 12:20
Well they both use the same units, DC3000 is a 50ltr cab. DC3000 has a slotted port in the rear, DC2000 doesnt..

Ali Tait
11-10-2010, 14:01
Ok cheers mate. Just wondered if there was much difference beteewn them sound wise. There seem to be plenty 2000's come up on ebay, but I've not seen any 3000's so far.

Alex_UK
11-10-2010, 22:40
This Marantz Arch 2.0 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300479178868&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_500wt_1156) "lifestyle" system would go absolutely perfectly in my dining room for occasional "dinner jazz" excursions (and because it is one of the few rooms in the house that doesn't have a system! :eyebrows:)

Any one know how much they're worth and if they sound as pants as I suspect they do?

Spectral Morn
11-10-2010, 22:46
This Marantz Arch 2.0 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300479178868&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_500wt_1156) "lifestyle" system would go absolutely perfectly in my dining room for occasional "dinner jazz" excursions (and because it is one of the few rooms in the house that doesn't have a system! :eyebrows:)

Any one know how much they're worth and if they sound as pants as I suspect they do?

Walk on by Alex there were reliability issues with those.


Regards D S D L

The Grand Wazoo
11-10-2010, 22:50
I remember seeing it featured in the News sections in the hi-fi press at the time, but can't say I ever saw a review, or a real one in the flesh. I'd say pants could well be the thing, but you never know.
I think they were about £4-£500 originally, but ended up being cleared out in branches of Richer Sounds. I think you could do better!

Alex_UK
11-10-2010, 22:57
Thanks chaps! My wife and bank manager (not actually one and the same, though sometimes I'm not sure) will be very pleased with your advice!

hifi_dave
12-10-2010, 09:11
We had a couple of different Marantz 'lifestyle' products at the front of our shop to entice passers by. They were the pits but if you can get it for a tenner, that would be wortwhile.

If you want a good little unit for background music in the dining room, the Teac and Denon units are good and generally reliable.

DSJR
12-10-2010, 13:20
The Marantz units with flip down door weren't bad although we couldn't sell them as the price was almost B&O territory (and B&O people would NEVER look elsewhere) and of couse the blingy bits didn't appeal to audio/music enthusiasts. We had an Arch and it took forever to sell as I remember and left no sonic imprint on me whatsoever. Dave and I had a very enthusiastic Marantz/Tannoy rep at the time and he was a VERY persuasive salesman.... ;)

Alex_UK
12-10-2010, 18:29
Thanks Daves! ;) I don't know if you noticed when you were round on Saturday Dave (DSJR) but our dining room is sort of Japanese themed, and the nice and simple look (and small) Arch would go in there nicely on the sideboard, (better than the ipod speakers at any rate... :o) so yes, for a tenner or so worth a go but I think he has a reserve on it, and is probably expecting silly money.... I will very possibly go for a Teac/Denon mini at some point as previously recommended for little 'uns room so maybe I could get one and use in the dining room for a couple of years before she is old enough.

Now, any suggestions for a bathroom system - I'm running out of rooms! :eyebrows:

DSJR
12-10-2010, 18:41
B&O Sound Century on the wall in the dining room and with the optional FM aerial (or drill through from the lounge). Different colour grilles were available and "Matthews" may still have some. Good sound for a transportable unit, active speakers with dynamic eq, and a solid feel - oh, the sliding door was a dream too.. Should be available for a very few hundred nowadays and FAR more realistic sounding than a Bose Wave-thingy

Alex_UK
12-10-2010, 21:08
Thanks Dave - you really are a bad influence! :lol:

This would go nicely with my vintage Sony amp in the office... All spent out this month though!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110596924052&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1123#ht_500wt_1156

The Vinyl Adventure
12-10-2010, 21:20
Elcaset completely passed me by until I went to mr cawleys house and saw a stack of players and tapes ... I still don't know what it really is?

Alex_UK
12-10-2010, 21:42
Elcaset completely passed me by until I went to mr cawleys house and saw a stack of players and tapes ... I still don't know what it really is?

I'm not the best person to explain, here's a wiki article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elcaset) - but who cares when a deck looks that cool! I suspect the old Beta/VHS comparison is not far off the mark, though - technically superior to Compact Cassette but a total flop with buyers and dead before it was really born...

Rare Bird
13-10-2010, 02:05
Loverly pair of Lentek 'S5' Speakers presently running..I have to resist these things :)

DSJR
13-10-2010, 07:20
Elcaset was wonderful. A tragedy it didn't succeed. At best, it could beat domestic high-speed reel to reel, if not pro machines..

Alex_UK
13-10-2010, 22:34
Anyone in the market for a minty mint SP10 mk II (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320603156384&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1123#ht_500wt_1156)?

Or a B.I.N. SL-1210 Mk11 which should be pristine if it has really only been used twice at just £200 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260677632328&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1123#ht_500wt_1156) - be quick!

MartinT
14-10-2010, 06:36
Anyone in the market for a minty mint SP10 mk II (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320603156384&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1123#ht_500wt_1156)?

I put in a punt for the SP10 although I suspect it will go for megabucks.

Alex_UK
14-10-2010, 07:41
I see the SP-10 has already been ended - presumably someone has made an offer that couldn't be refused... (This dispels the theory expressed that an auction can't be ended early if there is a bid on it - and the same has happened to me a few times since Mark (I think) suggested it wasn't allowed.)

MartinT
14-10-2010, 07:42
Annoying isn't it? I thought you could not end an auction once bids have been placed :(

Alex_UK
14-10-2010, 08:03
It was Mark (Reid Malenfant) that suggested this:


In the case of this auction there is something you could have done to prevent this from happening ;) If only you'd placed a bid on the items :doh: As long as there is no mention on the listing that the items can be removed as they are on sale elsewhere you are laughing. The reason being is that the seller can't simply remove them from sale once a bid is placed. Just like you are in a binding agreement to pay for what you win, the seller is in a binding agreement to supply what they are selling (as far as i know).

Now the only way they could stop the auction is say that whatever is was that's being sold happens to now be not working & ebay will contact you & ask if you agree to the sale being made null & void. You must agree though that there is not a lot of likelyhood that all the cassette decks would pack up simultaneously (unless a car fell on them :lol:) so you could refuse to allow the sale to be cancelled & still bag the goods :eyebrows:

I may be wrong about the above but by law i think it's probably correct.

I know this process exists as i won an auction for a pair of Krell KAS 2 monoblocks, went to pick them up & gave them a quick test & was gutted to discover (much like the owner) that one was faulty :( Had to go through this rigmarole on ebay to both agree to cancel the auction, which we both did...

In which case, as the SP-10 seller doesn't say anything in the auction about ending it early, there may be a case for flouting ebay rules, but at the end of the day, what will it achieve?

Alex_UK
14-10-2010, 08:05
(The seller would just say it stopped working or something, anyway. Whoever bought it is unlikely to complain as they walk away with a bargain, and so it continues... :steam:)

Rare Bird
14-10-2010, 08:17
I see the SP-10 has already been ended - presumably someone has made an offer that couldn't be refused...



I've said this before, you sit on your bids it gives sellers no incentive to keep a listing running, works both wayz.

Alex_UK
14-10-2010, 08:26
I've said this before, you sit on your bids it gives sellers no incentive to keep a listing running, works both wayz.

Yeah, but it was only listed last night, (and had at least a week to run from memory) and how does he know that one of the bidders hadn't already entered a maximum of £2k or something? I would agree if it had been running for 5 days with no bids, but that wasn't the case this time...

Marco
14-10-2010, 08:52
Anyone in the market for a minty mint SP10 mk II (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320603156384&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1123#ht_500wt_1156)?


That's probably one of the nicest, and likely most sonically effective, mounted SP10s I've seen...


http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/4282/b5y6yw2kkgrhqni8eyd1kbg.jpg (http://img535.imageshack.us/i/b5y6yw2kkgrhqni8eyd1kbg.jpg/)


I love the 'sub-plinth' the motor unit fits so snugly into (I wonder if this was a Technics factory made item?), which then sits on the wooden plinth underneath.

This is great system, as I firmly believe the SP10 needs a plinth constructed of various materials 'sandwiched' together in order to optimise the resonance and isolation properties of the plinth, and thus the sonic performance of the motor unit.

Someone got a VERY good turntable!

Marco.

StanleyB
14-10-2010, 10:14
Someone got a VERY good turntable!
..with a bent headshell.

The Grand Wazoo
14-10-2010, 10:15
I agree Marco, that's the first SP10 I've ever seen that looks right aesthetically!

Alex_UK
14-10-2010, 10:39
I agree Marco, that's the first SP10 I've ever seen that looks right aesthetically!

And probably the cleanest/mintiest... (Sorry Martin, we're not meaning to rub it in!)

Marco
14-10-2010, 10:42
Hi Stan,


..with a bent headshell.

That involves the arm, not the T/T. Did the ad say it was being sold with the SME and AT cartridge?

{Edit - I've just looked}....

From the ad description:


I have been using it with an SME IV that is NOT included in the sale.

Ah, looks like it wasn't ;)

Marco.

Alex_UK
14-10-2010, 11:02
I suspect it was plonked on to make the deck look good and not set-up, could be wrong of course - I usually am! ;)

DSJR
14-10-2010, 12:05
Looks almost as good as my Thorens :D

Rare Bird
14-10-2010, 12:17
Looks almost as good as my Thorens :D


:spank: Thorens anyday

Spectral Morn
14-10-2010, 14:08
Well I bid on and lost out on an Accuphase tuner this AM.....at least the winner didn't get it for nothing..... Am I a sore loser ? Yes :steam:


Regards D S D L

Rare Bird
14-10-2010, 14:17
The one at £360?

Spectral Morn
14-10-2010, 14:20
The one at £360?

Yes :(

It was more than I could really afford and my max bid was more than what the last one sold for on Ebay earlier this year.

Oh well some time in the future..... :(


Regards D S D L

Rare Bird
14-10-2010, 14:29
Did seem a lot..bad look tho, i'm sure one will crop up.

Ali Tait
14-10-2010, 14:45
Was it a T 101? Should have held onto mine for longer..

Spectral Morn
14-10-2010, 15:06
Was it a T 101? Should have held onto mine for longer..

No a T100.


Regards D S D L

Barry
14-10-2010, 18:46
Well I bid on and lost out on an Accuphase tuner this AM.....at least the winner didn't get it for nothing..... Am I a sore loser ? Yes :steam:


Regards D S D L

You don't want any more tuners Neil! We want to read of your findings of, the couple or dozen or so, tuners you allready have!

Regards

The Grand Wazoo
14-10-2010, 18:47
I'd expect a T100 to go for a bit more than a 101

Barry
14-10-2010, 18:59
:spank: Thorens anyday

Haha!

I was watching this bid. And like others I am confused - when I last looked there was already one bid of £0.99. It has ended early seemingly without any bids. This is not the first time an item has been pulled, but in the past there have been no bids. The seller does not say that the Technics deck is also being advertised for sale privately, and if an acceptable private offer is made the item will be sold. As such there would seem to be some doubt about the sellers ethics and his retention of 100% feedback rating!

Whilst it did look lovely and I would have possibly 'sniped' at the last minute, I don't really need any more decks - I have four, an EMT930 and three TD124/IIs!.

Regards

Spectral Morn
14-10-2010, 21:53
I'd expect a T100 to go for a bit more than a 101

Yes £10 more :(


Regards Neil

Rare Bird
16-10-2010, 08:20
Sugden C51/P51 presently running £150.00 BIN

hifi_dave
16-10-2010, 09:23
I saw that and was going to press the button but I'm not sure about it...:scratch:

Spur07
16-10-2010, 11:10
Loverly pair of Lentek 'S5' Speakers presently running..I have to resist these things :)

Andre, have you heard these speakers - any good?

the guy's only up the road from me.

Rare Bird
16-10-2010, 12:18
Andre, have you heard these speakers - any good?

the guy's only up the road from me.

Yes they are good, i'd go have a listern if i were you.

KEF/Audax

StanleyB
16-10-2010, 18:39
Brings back some memories:
Rogers Cadet 3 III pre/Power amplifer amp (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Rogers-Cadet-3-III-pre-Power-amplifer-amp-RARE-/110599047393?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Amplifiers&hash=item19c03788e1)

MartinT
17-10-2010, 09:49
I have a Cadet II power amp and you would not believe that it's only 8Wpc. Stunning sound, mostly limited by the relatively small output transformers.

DSJR
17-10-2010, 11:16
I loved a Cadet III which passed my way in the mid 70's (although I suspect its spiritual descendent Naim Nait mk1 would eat it alive). I sold it to make way for an HG88 which sounded truly terrible.

Rare Bird
17-10-2010, 11:29
The 'Cadet' power amps are great

Rare Bird
17-10-2010, 14:08
Mission '727' Speakers done in 3 hours only £20.00 on em, great for a little 2nd system

'727' were the speaker that the '737' replaced.. 8 Ohm..92dBA..

Jonboy
17-10-2010, 18:40
I have a Cadet II power amp and you would not believe that it's only 8Wpc. Stunning sound, mostly limited by the relatively small output transformers.

Me too, they are great little amps and sound better than the Cadet 3, i have the matching pre-amp as well, its very hard not to like any amp running ECL86's

Rare Bird
18-10-2010, 13:13
its very hard not to like any amp running ECL86's

ECL86 are always a safe bet, i've not heard a bad one yet.

MartinT
18-10-2010, 14:02
I like the EL84 too, as in the Leak Stereo 20.

Alex_UK
19-10-2010, 09:43
Picked these Celestion Speaker Stands (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320601739092&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT#ht_500wt_1156) up for a fiver with local pick up - going to use them in the garden/summerhouse, so the fact that the legs unscrew and store in the tube is an advantage, plus they look like they should be quite stable. I'm well chuffed at £5 but yet to pick them up.

Ali Tait
19-10-2010, 14:57
I like the EL84 too, as in the Leak Stereo 20.

Yes,great little valve,very musical. I love 211's and 45's too.

The Vinyl Adventure
20-10-2010, 16:15
if your quick this little lot could be a bargain
£10 at the mo

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120632377071&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_500wt_1156

The Vinyl Adventure
20-10-2010, 16:16
actually i might bid myself

Reid Malenfant
20-10-2010, 16:23
Did you win? The listing is only for the Minidisc player :rolleyes:

Rare Bird
20-10-2010, 16:26
Picked these up for a fiver with local pick up - going to use them in the garden/summerhouse, so the fact that the legs unscrew and store in the tube is an advantage, plus they look like they should be quite stable. I'm well chuffed at £5 but yet to pick them up.

:( I was watching those forgot, They are the Celestion '15XR' stands

spendorman
20-10-2010, 16:29
:( I was watching those forgot, They are the Celestion '15XR' stands

I have a pair like that, they either came with my Celestion Ditton 44's or Tangent RS4's, can't remember which.

Rare Bird
20-10-2010, 16:34
I have a pair like that, they either came with my Celestion Ditton 44's or Tangent RS4's, can't remember which.

Those alex got are the '15XR' ones they have 6" square top plates, the stands are 14" approx tall. :(

spendorman
20-10-2010, 16:36
Those alex got are the '15XR' ones they have 6" square top plates, the stands are 14" approx tall. :(

Mine might be bigger version then

The Vinyl Adventure
20-10-2010, 17:01
Did you win? The listing is only for the Minidisc player :rolleyes:

It was for the amp and cd player... Or at least that's how I read it!

Yeah, £30 ...
Lost

I have a ra-01 anyway :) ... Although I don't use it

Reid Malenfant
20-10-2010, 17:07
It was for the amp and cd player... Or at least that's how I read it!

Yeah, £30 ...
Lost

I have a ra-01 anyway :) ... Although I don't use it
I'm pleased you lost :) I just looked at the first words of the listing, it was rather ambiguous though admittedly :scratch:


LISTING FOR THE MD ONLY.
That's what i saw :eyebrows:

Rare Bird
20-10-2010, 18:25
Won an original Silver hammered finish Mission 'Isoplat' tonight £12.50.Not the worlds most fantastic of bargins but i've been looking for a near mint one for near on a year now.

Alex_UK
20-10-2010, 19:44
Those alex got are the '15XR' ones they have 6" square top plates, the stands are 14" approx tall. :(

If you want them Andre, they're yours - but I'd better check the condition tomorrow as I know how exacting you are! ;)

Beobloke
21-10-2010, 11:29
Some of you may remember the Hitachi Opus 2 music centre from the 1980s - it was Hitachi's attempt to do 'a B&O' - very sleek and stylish with CD player, twin tape, radio, remote control and some intriguing semi-omnidirectional speakers. In case you don't, below are pictures of the unit and the speaker. My mum's friend had one when I was young and I remember liking it a great deal (mind you, the B&O Beovox Penta speakers she had it plugged into probably helped!)

So why the trip down memory lane? 'Cos I've just bought one on eBay in good condition and full working order.

And the price? - £1.04!! :stalks:

DSJR
21-10-2010, 14:30
Much maligned by the B&O fraternity of collectors, I really rated the Jap made 'centre 2200. fit an MMC4 (which would now cost multiples of the whole centre at used prices) and the turntable sounds great. The cassette deck ain't too bad either and the little X25 speakers in grey with cone tweeter are really good and "communicate the message" brilliantly.

Beobloke
21-10-2010, 16:58
Much maligned by the B&O fraternity of collectors, I really rated the Jap made 'centre 2200. fit an MMC4 (which would now cost multiples of the whole centre at used prices) and the turntable sounds great. The cassette deck ain't too bad either and the little X25 speakers in grey with cone tweeter are really good and "communicate the message" brilliantly.

Seriously? :stalks:

No remote control facility, largely Japanese internals, No Powerlink or Speakerlink connections and a built-in loudness contour that you can't turn off.

I wonder why they're much maligned by collectors?!! :lol:

colinB
21-10-2010, 18:14
Some of you may remember the Hitachi Opus 2 music centre from the 1980s - it was Hitachi's attempt to do 'a B&O' - very sleek and stylish with CD player, twin tape, radio, remote control and some intriguing semi-omnidirectional speakers. In case you don't, below are pictures of the unit and the speaker. My mum's friend had one when I was young and I remember liking it a great deal (mind you, the B&O Beovox Penta speakers she had it plugged into probably helped!)

So why the trip down memory lane? 'Cos I've just bought one on eBay in good condition and full working order.

And the price? - £1.04!! :stalks:

I often wonder if you live in a castle or something, where on earth do you store your gear??

Alex_UK
21-10-2010, 20:40
If you want them Andre, they're yours - but I'd better check the condition tomorrow as I know how exacting you are! ;)

Well for fiver to use in the garden they will be fine... but if you'd bought them Andre I suspect you'd blow a gasket! :eyebrows:

Firstly, they are both quite badly rusted in a couple of places, and lots of pitting in the chrome generally. The black bases are quite badly scratched with some surface rust, but the main problem is that whilst one stand is as described with the screw-in legs, the other has the legs fixed in place having been welded there (and not very well.) As I said, to live in the shed over winter and then the garden in the summer they are fine, but if someone like Andre had bought them they would be very unimpressed... That said matey, you're still welcome to them if that hasn't put you off, though the one welded up will be more difficult to post than I anticipated! ;)

Rare Bird
23-10-2010, 19:51
Thanks Alex, i'm glad i forgot about them now.

Macca
24-10-2010, 09:15
Some of you may remember the Hitachi Opus 2 music centre from the 1980s - it was Hitachi's attempt to do 'a B&O' - very sleek and stylish with CD player, twin tape, radio, remote control and some intriguing semi-omnidirectional speakers. In case you don't, below are pictures of the unit and the speaker. My mum's friend had one when I was young and I remember liking it a great deal (mind you, the B&O Beovox Penta speakers she had it plugged into probably helped!)

So why the trip down memory lane? 'Cos I've just bought one on eBay in good condition and full working order.

And the price? - £1.04!! :stalks:

I've got (or did have might have slung it by now) the What Hi Fi issue that reviewed this sytem. IIRC they said it was okay but that the 'speakers sucked. I'll see if I can dig it out if you are interested in the details.

Regards

Techno Commander
24-10-2010, 11:40
This (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NIMROD-MRA4-/190458901355?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2c583c336b) looks rather interesting. :)

Alex_UK
24-10-2010, 12:20
This (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NIMROD-MRA4-/190458901355?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2c583c336b) looks rather interesting. :)

Like it!

colinB
24-10-2010, 13:00
Like it!

I hope Bin Laden doesnt have an e bay account :eek:

DSJR
24-10-2010, 13:10
Love it :D

Very serious issue for those about to lose their jobs though :(

Reid Malenfant
24-10-2010, 16:46
I was watching this blu ray earlier as the price was cheap due to this guys awful feedback :eyebrows: anyway i all of a sudden noticed that the shipping charge had jumped a tad from £3.30 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250715828544&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT) :eek:

He edited earlier this afternoon, what a naughty boy :wanker:

colinB
24-10-2010, 17:23
I was watching this blu ray earlier as the price was cheap due to this guys awful feedback :eyebrows: anyway i all of a sudden noticed that the shipping charge had jumped a tad from £3.30 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250715828544&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT) :eek:

He edited earlier this afternoon, what a naughty boy :wanker:

Was that a genuine mistake!!! Maybe its being couriered by the German army or something.

Reid Malenfant
24-10-2010, 17:26
Was that a genuine mistake!!! Maybe its being couriered by the German army or something.
Nope, click on the link & then look at the listing, scroll down & you'll see it says £3.30 in a jiffy to the UK :rolleyes:

It's idiots like that that spoil it for everyone else :doh:

colinB
24-10-2010, 17:32
Blimey. Check his feedback. 93% and lots of " nicht erhaltens ".
One says "punktlicher". My Germans not good but thats got to be a nasty swear word.

The Vinyl Adventure
24-10-2010, 19:15
Look at this little thing...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170531167690#ht_2975wt_888

Reid Malenfant
24-10-2010, 19:22
Look at this little thing...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170531167690#ht_2975wt_888
Cute, & very neatly constructed i might add :)

Some serious thought gone into that ;)

John
24-10-2010, 19:31
If you have sensitive speakers might be worth a go

Techno Commander
24-10-2010, 19:41
Probably ideal for driving a pair of PC speakers.

The Vinyl Adventure
24-10-2010, 19:55
i dont have £120, else id probably give it a bash
it would look quite neat on my desk.... if i tidied my desk....

Alex_UK
24-10-2010, 20:19
I was watching this blu ray earlier as the price was cheap due to this guys awful feedback :eyebrows: anyway i all of a sudden noticed that the shipping charge had jumped a tad from £3.30 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250715828544&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT) :eek:

He edited earlier this afternoon, what a naughty boy :wanker:

I also "liked" the awful spelling - particularly "Region Code B Englisch (DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1)

Not sure I know that language! :doh:

Alex_UK
24-10-2010, 21:17
Been watching a Technics SL-150 MkII - went for £339 without arm (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250711409524&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_4856wt_1139) - are they really that much better than the Mk1 like I just acquired from Dave (DSJR)?

Ali Tait
24-10-2010, 21:33
I like the EL84 too, as in the Leak Stereo 20.


Look at this little thing...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170531167690#ht_2975wt_888
If you like that,have a look at the Miniwatt stuff.

The Vinyl Adventure
24-10-2010, 22:19
I have seen them Ali, I was trying to convince my missis to buy me one for Xmas :)

DSJR
25-10-2010, 09:39
Been watching a Technics SL-150 MkII - went for £339 without arm (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250711409524&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_4856wt_1139) - are they really that much better than the Mk1 like I just acquired from Dave (DSJR)?

The mk2 is quartz locked, possibly heavier and has lovely styling, which I find more elegant personally. The 1200mk2 returned to the "classic" Technics styling.

The Quartz locking may just give this solid (stolid ? :lol:) ballistic bass and absolutely rock-solid pitch, but at normal tracking weights there's no instability at all with the non quartz drives used in technics' better models.


Just DON'T EVER buy an SL2000, as the speed hunting was unbelievable :D

Alex_UK
25-10-2010, 18:00
The MkII is rather gorgeous, I must admit, and I suspect that is part of the reason for the premium over the MkI. Funny you should mention the SL-2000 as there is a couple on the bay at the moment and I was wondering how they compare... Cheers Dave! :)

MartinT
25-10-2010, 21:35
If you like that,have a look at the Miniwatt stuff.

Oh now these I do like. They have a certain proper-ness to their styling and build. I want one for my PC, only I have this rather good Sonic-T amp doing PC service at the moment.

http://www.miniwatt.com.hk/amplifiers.html

colinB
26-10-2010, 08:05
Is there a headphone amp version i wonder ?

Ali Tait
26-10-2010, 09:02
Oh now these I do like. They have a certain proper-ness to their styling and build. I want one for my PC, only I have this rather good Sonic-T amp doing PC service at the moment.

http://www.miniwatt.com.hk/amplifiers.html

Yes they're great aren't they? They actually sound good too.

MartinT
26-10-2010, 09:35
Yes they're great aren't they? They actually sound good too.

It looks poxy in its plastic case but it shoots far higher than it looks. I once ran it in the main system, just for fun, and it was not bad at all. It works a treat into my venerable Videotone Minimax IIs on the PC.

The Vinyl Adventure
26-10-2010, 10:36
Have you heard the "n3" yet Ali... i wonder if at that price they still provide as good a level of value as you have previously suggested the "s1" one did

Beobloke
26-10-2010, 11:58
I've got (or did have might have slung it by now) the What Hi Fi issue that reviewed this sytem. IIRC they said it was okay but that the 'speakers sucked. I'll see if I can dig it out if you are interested in the details.

Regards

Martin,

That'd be grand - ta! :)

Ali Tait
26-10-2010, 21:30
Have you heard the "n3" yet Ali... i wonder if at that price they still provide as good a level of value as you have previously suggested the "s1" one did
Dunno which one I heard,it was at a previous Owston. I thought it looked great and sounded pretty good too.

Ali Tait
26-10-2010, 21:34
Just had a look, the n3 looks like the one I heard. Sounds much better than you would expect!

markf
30-10-2010, 20:44
Just a quick heads up
On Audiogon there is a Z sleeve for sale $179 what a bargin that's about 110 UKP.

link:-
http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?accstwek&1293641151&/Z-Sleeve-Heavy-Duty-Purple-ban