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Puffin
06-12-2012, 19:41
His spelling is poor. But it's also very evident that he is, to quote a technical term, 'as thick as shit'. If you can't see that, then I'm sorry but I can't be of any further assistance.

:rfl:

snuffbox
06-12-2012, 21:34
So it's ok to take the piss then because you all think your better.So the guy can't spell doesn't make him a bad person.
Why has he got to conform to your perception of rightness.

snuffbox
06-12-2012, 21:37
His spelling is poor. But it's also very evident that he is, to quote a technical term, 'as thick as shit'. If you can't see that, then I'm sorry but I can't be of any further assistance.

I'd love to see things from your point of view but I don't think I could get my head far enough up my arse.

walpurgis
06-12-2012, 21:43
Hopefully, nobody's going to take a bit of harmless 'piss taking' too seriously.

By the way, it should be "you're better" and there's a space after a full stop.

(Don't take that too seriously either.)

snuffbox
06-12-2012, 21:45
Dilligaf:)
I aint perfect,nor do I pretend to be.

DaveK
06-12-2012, 22:15
So it's ok to take the piss then because you all think your better.So the guy can't spell doesn't make him a bad person.
Why has he got to conform to your perception of rightness.

Paul, I hate to join in but, if you need to be told the answer to that, there's not much anyone on here can do to help you.
BTW, if you ask a question (of which there are two in your three sentences above) you should end the sentence with a question mark (?). We're trying:) .
Bear with us, it's only a bit of banter, we've seen worse on here, haven't we Hamish? :lol:
Dave.

Jonboy
06-12-2012, 22:29
back on track, these look very original

Quad 11 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Quad-22-11-valve-stereo-amplifier-set-with-FM-tuner-and-all-documents-/140892798100?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Amplifiers&hash=item20cddd7c94)

TBL
06-12-2012, 22:31
Come on guys,

Taking the micky out of ebay listings is one thing, but start picking holes in AOS members grammar/spelling is a real can of worms to be avoided at all costs. The net result can only end in bad feeling.

Don't go there.

Barry
06-12-2012, 22:37
Come on guys,

Taking the micky out of ebay listings is one thing, but start picking holes in AOS members grammar/spelling is a real can of worms to be avoided at all costs. The net result can only end in bad feeling.

Don't go there.

Or punctuation. ;)

Ali Tait
06-12-2012, 22:52
His spelling is poor. But it's also very evident that he is, to quote a technical term, 'as thick as shit'. If you can't see that, then I'm sorry but I can't be of any further assistance.

Must be great to be able to make immediate judgements about people you've never met.

walpurgis
07-12-2012, 00:24
Hey guys,

lets get 'touchy, feely' again, not 'touchy, touchy'.

I don't think anybody expressed any malicious opinions.

The Grand Wazoo
07-12-2012, 00:35
Well, if you called me thick as shit I'd think it was pretty malicious.
Anyway, I think we all agree, it's time to return this thread back to it's rightful purpose:

Someone got a nice deal here (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DUAL-1019-TURNTABLE-IN-ORIGINAL-BOX-WITH-MANUAL-UNTESTED-BUT-APPEARS-VVG-/350656660377?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Turntables&hash=item51a4c40399&nma=true&si=KBYC%2BW6877pBGX%2FLevyQ4jDUW9o%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557)

snuffbox
07-12-2012, 01:55
Well, if you called me thick as shit I'd think it was pretty malicious.
Anyway, I think we all agree, it's time to return this thread back to it's rightful purpose:

Someone got a nice deal here (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DUAL-1019-TURNTABLE-IN-ORIGINAL-BOX-WITH-MANUAL-UNTESTED-BUT-APPEARS-VVG-/350656660377?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Turntables&hash=item51a4c40399&nma=true&si=KBYC%2BW6877pBGX%2FLevyQ4jDUW9o%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557)

Your right there GW.
But I have to say David Cameron speaks very eloquently,as do other politicians.
Must all be ok people then.

The Grand Wazoo
07-12-2012, 07:21
OK, leave it there now please. As said, back to Ebay bargains.
Thank you.

Mr Kipling
07-12-2012, 11:31
Looks like a nice, quality item.

Recently I've been thinking what you might get out of the old BSRs of the '70s used in music centres. Using just the drive and a better bearing might be interesting.

Beobloke
07-12-2012, 14:36
Looks like a nice, quality item.

Recently I've been thinking what you might get out of the old BSRs of the '70s used in music centres. Using just the drive and a better bearing might be interesting.

Trust me - don't. They were crap when they were new and the passage of time hasn't done a thing to change this.

At least use a Garrard if you're really keen on a project like this. In fact I accepted a challenge a few years ago to 'audiophilie-ise' a Garrard SP25MkIII but have never got round to doing it!

Mr Kipling
07-12-2012, 15:10
I'll take your word for it, Adam. I really should get a plinth sorted out for my 401 before doing anything else.

Still mixing with the riff-raff here then!

Spur07
07-12-2012, 15:48
back on track, these look very original

Quad 11 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Quad-22-11-valve-stereo-amplifier-set-with-FM-tuner-and-all-documents-/140892798100?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Amplifiers&hash=item20cddd7c94)

it'll be interesting to see what it goes for.

Not been used since 1985 - I really hope he didn't 'just connect it up' and run it for 2 hours. :mental: I can't believe all those original KT's are totally stable, I reckon he more likely ran it for 5 minutes before quickly switching off.

Effem
07-12-2012, 16:49
An Usher CD player which I have not heard personally but those that have rate it highly. £56 with 2 days to go might not rise too much in price due to it's rarity

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Usher-CD-1-Audiophile-CD-Player-Bargain-/300827523586?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_CDPlayerSeparates&hash=item460ab7ba02

isuckedmandelsonslemons
07-12-2012, 17:14
An Usher CD player which I have not heard personally but those that have rate it highly. £56 with 2 days to go might not rise too much in price due to it's rarity

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Usher-CD-1-Audiophile-CD-Player-Bargain-/300827523586?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_CDPlayerSeparates&hash=item460ab7ba02

One went last week for about £100.

MartinT
07-12-2012, 18:43
An Usher CD player

I didn't even know they made one.

isuckedmandelsonslemons
07-12-2012, 19:11
I didn't even know they made one.

Call yourself an Usher fan. Pah!!!

MartinT
07-12-2012, 20:34
I've seen mention of their power amps, but never a whisper of a CD player. Is it their own or an OEM, does anyone know?

Jonboy
07-12-2012, 21:31
what planet are these people on :mental:

Stupid money (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Technics-SP10-MkIII-mk3-Turntable-with-Power-Supply-/321034150082?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Turntables&hash=item4abf2060c2)

Audio Al
07-12-2012, 21:33
what planet are these people on :mental:

Stupid money (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Technics-SP10-MkIII-mk3-Turntable-with-Power-Supply-/321034150082?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Turntables&hash=item4abf2060c2)


http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?t=22186

:)

Jonboy
07-12-2012, 21:42
http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?t=22186

:)


Slipped by me cause its not in the ebay thread :ner:

Alex_UK
08-12-2012, 11:58
If you fancy a gamble - but be quick... £360 with half-an-hour to go - where will it end?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160931350176&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1123

MartinT
08-12-2012, 12:41
£1021 - not bad, including the Lenco deck.

Wakefield Turntables
08-12-2012, 15:44
what planet are these people on :mental:

Stupid money (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Technics-SP10-MkIII-mk3-Turntable-with-Power-Supply-/321034150082?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Turntables&hash=item4abf2060c2)


Still up for sale, i wonder why :scratch:

Marco
08-12-2012, 15:59
£1021 - not bad, including the Lenco deck.

Indeed. Although, personally I wouldn't have entertained it without examining the condition of the records first. Zero feedback and a rather vague description of the condition (in inverted commas, no less) of:


“Almost certainly VG+.”


...doesn't inspire much confidence. £1021 for a load of "Almost certainly very good" condition records, possibly as in 'there aren't too many scratches on them, considering their age!' :eek: is too much moolah to speculate with... :nono:

However, I hope that whoever has bought them is lucky!

Marco.

Alex_UK
08-12-2012, 16:23
Indeed. Although, personally I wouldn't have entertained it without examining the condition of the records first. Zero feedback and a rather vague description of the condition (in inverted commas, no less) of:



...doesn't inspire much confidence. £1021 for a load of "Almost certainly very good" condition records, possibly as in 'there aren't too many scratches on them, considering their age!' :eek: is too much moolah to speculate with... :nono:

However, I hope that whoever has bought them is lucky!

Marco.

Agree 100% - but don't forget there's 700 CDs and the Lenco in there too.

Marco
08-12-2012, 19:40
Ya, but the ceedees and old turntable would be, for me, the second and third prizes - it would be all that lurvely vintage classical vinyl, if it had been genuinely near-mint, that would've been the numero uno prize! :exactly:

I'd have been well fooked off, having shelled out over a grand of the 'loose change' in my current account (:eyebrows:), to have been left with 700 'plastic frisbees', some grubby LPs, and a goodness-knows-in-what-kind-of-working-condition Lenco, as my 'reward'....! ;)

Marco.

Rare Bird
08-12-2012, 19:55
He does right selling em, i let go of around 300CD's the other day, never again.

julesd68
08-12-2012, 19:58
I'd have been well fooked off, having shelled out over a grand of the 'loose change' in my current account (:eyebrows:), to have been left with 700 'plastic frisbees', some grubby LPs, and a goodness-knows-in-what-kind-of-working-condition Lenco, as my 'reward'....! ;)

You forget Marco that the lady selling all of that gear is called "Bettina" and is obviously from the upper classes of our society; I would therefore suggest that she is trustworthy beyond reproach ... ;)

Marco
08-12-2012, 20:11
Yesh, and my weekend name is 'Christina', and I look like her as I'm typing this! You believe me, doncha? :lol:

Marco.

julesd68
08-12-2012, 20:24
Oh no, you've not got the blonde wig out again have you Marco, er Christina!? :nono:

Marco
08-12-2012, 20:36
Blonde wig and 'fur garden' to match, dahling..... :kiss:

:eyebrows:

Marco.

walpurgis
08-12-2012, 23:24
Sorry to butt in.........

This seems a little optimistic, to say the least!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AUDIO-TECHNICA-AT-66-Retro-Turntable-Cartridge-Used-Vintage-Cart-/140891085533?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Turntables&hash=item20cdc35add

I'd value it at £5 to £10 myself.

Rare Bird
08-12-2012, 23:40
AUDIO TECHNICA' AT-66'

Looks like the 'AT-21' i have tucked away somewhere, around 1967 ish..

chelsea
08-12-2012, 23:41
Have one of those in the drawer.

Mr Kipling
08-12-2012, 23:59
Should one assume that that's the best place for it?

The Grand Wazoo
09-12-2012, 11:38
Potty about these speaker cabinets (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Unique-Ceramic-10-inch-woofer-Speaker-Cabinets-PAIR-Amazing-Sound-/160934600296?pt=UK_AudioVideoElectronics_HomeAudio HiFi_HiFiSpeakers&hash=item2578731e68)?
Or maybe it's just speakers gone to pot?

chris@panteg
09-12-2012, 12:05
Come on, be serious!

£3 from the boot sale would be about right.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VINTAGE-1970S-AMSTRAD-THREE-WAY-ACCOUSTIC-SUSPENSION-LOUDSPEAKERS-/321030261012?pt=UK_AudioVideoElectronics_HomeAudio HiFi_HiFiSpeakers&hash=item4abee50914

And he's got a pair of Ditton 22s for £349!!!!!

The problem with greedy pricing is that it reflects across the whole used equipment market and prompts others to believe their lumps of 'old tat' are worth 'mucho dosh' and eventually all the useful bits of older gear get their prices pushed up alongside the junk! It's pissing me off, even the boot sale vendors are getting greedy these days.


He's relisted them at the same £150 bargain price :lol:

prestonchipfryer
09-12-2012, 12:27
FFS!

:doh:



http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RARE-AMSTRAD-SM-104-VERTICAL-RECORD-PLAYER-HIFI-NO-SPEAKERS-VGC-70S-80S-/150955652261?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_Other&hash=item2325a874a5

chris@panteg
09-12-2012, 12:41
FFS!

:doh:



http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RARE-AMSTRAD-SM-104-VERTICAL-RECORD-PLAYER-HIFI-NO-SPEAKERS-VGC-70S-80S-/150955652261?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_Other&hash=item2325a874a5

Almost fell off the chair , what a stonking bargain lol , or should that be a stinker he he .

Spur07
09-12-2012, 12:42
Indeed. Although, personally I wouldn't have entertained it without examining the condition of the records first. Zero feedback and a rather vague description of the condition (in inverted commas, no less) of:



...doesn't inspire much confidence. £1021 for a load of "Almost certainly very good" condition records, possibly as in 'there aren't too many scratches on them, considering their age!' :eek: is too much moolah to speculate with... :nono:

However, I hope that whoever has bought them is lucky!

Marco.

i have to agree. buying vinyl on fleabay is lucky dip at the best of times, i wouldn't shell out a grand for something i hadn't seen, and even then visually grading vinyl provides no absolutes.

chelsea
09-12-2012, 12:42
Will probably be a good investment if you stuck it in the loft for 30 years.

Marco
09-12-2012, 15:17
i have to agree. buying vinyl on fleabay is lucky dip at the best of times, i wouldn't shell out a grand for something i hadn't seen, and even then visually grading vinyl provides no absolutes.

Yup, Paul. The only way I'd have made a serious offer was if I'd lived in London and had visited the seller before the auction had ended (as many good sellers are willing to entertain), and inspected each album and found them all to my satisfaction...

*Then* I'd have done everything in my power to have won the auction! ;)

Marco.

Mr Kipling
09-12-2012, 16:51
Anyone heard of Axe?

Won this non-descript valve amp:

Jonboy
09-12-2012, 18:19
Anyone heard of Axe?



We have never heard of them, i was watching it out of curiosity looks like EL34 under the cage

Mr Kipling
09-12-2012, 20:15
Having had another look at the photos, I can't see any output transformers.

Bugger!!

RobbieGong
09-12-2012, 21:16
In Immaculate order, should sound very good indeed and looks as good as anything nice today - IMO of course :) http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sony-PS-X65-Direct-Drive-Turntable-Immaculate-Condition-and-Pristine-Manual-/121036044111?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_Vintage_Separates&hash=item1c2e4f774f#ht_918wt_958

nat8808
10-12-2012, 14:30
Here's a good project for someone who likes tidying up cabinets:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/B-W-DM1400-Bowers-and-Wilkins-Speakers-for-restoration-drivers-cross-over-HiFi-/130816991779

B&W DM1400s - in my Hifi Choice loudspeaker booklet, they get "excellent" for realism.

£49 start which is probably what they will go for but need some tweeters (I think are the same tweeters as DM110s which are dirty cheap at the mo).

seoirse2002
10-12-2012, 14:59
Here's a good project for someone who likes tidying up cabinets:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/B-W-DM1400-Bowers-and-Wilkins-Speakers-for-restoration-drivers-cross-over-HiFi-/130816991779

B&W DM1400s - in my Hifi Choice loudspeaker booklet, they get "excellent" for realism.

£49 start which is probably what they will go for but need some tweeters (I think are the same tweeters as DM110s which are dirty cheap at the mo).

Ive got a nice pair of these which I was going to list on the bay,but Im holding off at the mo..

The Black Adder
10-12-2012, 16:30
The Beatles....

It's all going a bit Bill Oddie if you ask me...

HOW MUCH!!! (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/140892773511?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649)

TBL
10-12-2012, 17:53
The Beatles....

It's all going a bit Bill Oddie if you ask me...

HOW MUCH!!! (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/140892773511?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649)


A bargain, you obviously missed this (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/160931459137?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649)one from yesterday.

BTH K10A
10-12-2012, 20:14
Its bonkers when the only difference is an embossed number in a bit of card.

http://www.popsike.com/Beatles-White-Album-UK-1968-Mono-LP-Cover-No0000005/110312162347.html

Marco
10-12-2012, 20:22
A bargain, you obviously missed this (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/160931459137?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649)one from yesterday.


Have you read the description? What a wankstain... You just want to give the cnut a slap! :wanker:

Marco.

isuckedmandelsonslemons
10-12-2012, 20:30
Marco, you appear to have eaten the Viz Profanosaurus today. Good work

prestonchipfryer
10-12-2012, 20:43
Just one slap? Kick his reas as well :D

Marco
10-12-2012, 20:44
:lolsign:

Marco.

julesd68
10-12-2012, 20:54
Aforementioned wankstain managed to sell a Bowie first pressing for 7K! :eek:

isuckedmandelsonslemons
11-12-2012, 12:48
Yeah, I think I've seen his shops 'wankstainsrus'.

Rare Bird
12-12-2012, 16:58
AUDIO TECHNICA 'AT-66'



http://i1075.photobucket.com/albums/w425/ELPFAN1968/ATCarts.jpg

julesd68
12-12-2012, 22:19
I don't get this - why would you auction a single speaker when you have the pair and then ask people to double the price? :scratch:

Does he think he's going to save on ebay fees by sending the buyer an invoice for double the amount when the auction has finished??

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tannoy-Arden-Hi-Fi-speaker-s-HPD-385-15-Monitor-/271118627349?pt=UK_AudioVideoElectronics_HomeAudio HiFi_HiFiSpeakers&hash=item3f1fedf215

Reid Malenfant
12-12-2012, 22:23
Does he think he's going to save on ebay fees by sending the buyer an invoice for double the amount when the auction has finished??
It sure looks that way :eyebrows:

In fact it'd probably work :D

RoboCopper
12-12-2012, 22:27
Not sure if it was mentioned, but I have a feeling that somebody got a bargain....
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Musical-Fidelity-Reference-3-Speakers-2-way-80W-/140894492946?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK:MESINDXX:IT&nma=true&si=p5AgWN3hhn2CvzM6raWixO5uaHI%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

anybody listened those speakers?

chelsea
12-12-2012, 22:31
I don't get this - why would you auction a single speaker when you have the pair and then ask people to double the price? :scratch:

Does he think he's going to save on ebay fees by sending the buyer an invoice for double the amount when the auction has finished??

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tannoy-Arden-Hi-Fi-speaker-s-HPD-385-15-Monitor-/271118627349?pt=UK_AudioVideoElectronics_HomeAudio HiFi_HiFiSpeakers&hash=item3f1fedf215

He will end up having to relist as someone will think they are getting a pair imo.

Maybe he used to work for tandy's.

julesd68
12-12-2012, 22:35
He's certainly got a "pair" if you know what I mean guv! :eyebrows:

Barry
12-12-2012, 23:36
http://i1075.photobucket.com/albums/w425/ELPFAN1968/ATCarts.jpg

Hey - I used to have one of those. A super little cartridge for the money. :)

Rare Bird
13-12-2012, 00:01
Aye. I have a '21' but the Styli is broken, never used it. AT made quite a few highish compliance cartridges around the late 60's.

Mr Kipling
13-12-2012, 20:20
We have never heard of them, i was watching it out of curiosity looks like EL34 under the cage

Well, the amp arrived. It's an output-capacitor-coupled design using a single EL34 with an ECL86 and a missing valve per channel. The valves are Mullards. For some reason, it looks vaguely familiar.

Anyone know what the output might be and what the missing valve might be?

MartinT
13-12-2012, 22:13
Why do I think I can see the Maxell logo shadowed on the front panel?

brian2957
13-12-2012, 22:17
Ha ! Is that what it is Martin . Thought I was seeing things. You're eyes are obviously better than mine :lol:

BTH K10A
13-12-2012, 22:46
Something special from behind the iron curtain.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181041527405?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

Barry
13-12-2012, 23:02
Something special from behind the iron curtain.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181041527405?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

20Hz - 20kHz +/- 0dB ? :scratch:

StanleyB
14-12-2012, 11:46
This (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/StarTech-Stereo-Headphone-Jack-0-15m-/300819890267?pt=UK_Computing_Sound_Vision_Audio_Ca bles_Adapters&hash=item460a43405b) is what you call high end rip off.
Not even gold plated or in a nive wooden box with gold lettering.

Marco
14-12-2012, 12:16
Hahaha - what a tit! :lol:

Marco.

MartinT
14-12-2012, 12:18
Perhaps he meant to price it in Lire.

Barry
14-12-2012, 17:19
You don't know, but the connectors and cables might be made from depleated uranium, osmium plated with a tungsten/rhodium flash, cryo-cooled and the whole blessed by the Dali Lama in person. :eyebrows:

keiths
14-12-2012, 18:53
Hahaha - what a tit! :lol:

Marco.

The seller has probably run out of stock of the item and rather than risk bad feedback should someone order whilst he has no stock, he's changed the price to something ridiculous to prevent anyone ordering. It will probably revert to a sensible price once he's re-stocked. This is very common practice.

BTH K10A
14-12-2012, 19:24
20Hz - 20kHz +/- 0dB ? :scratch:

Hi Barry, They have a reputation for being very linear, but I've never heard a pair or seen any measurements to confirm this.

I only know one owner who has a pair (in France) and he reckons they are better than his Goodmans Axiom 80's which have a very good reputation. He's not interested in measurement but says they are very natural sounding.

I thought I'd post the auction as the more obscure vintage hifi like these speakers rarely get any coverage here in the UK. It usually tends to be the same old Quad/Leak/Tannoy/Garrard/Thorens stuff that's been done to death so I thought this might be a breath of fresh air. But, maybe I'm wrong and there's no interest in this these lesser known gems.

Marco
14-12-2012, 19:35
The seller has probably run out of stock of the item and rather than risk bad feedback should someone order whilst he has no stock, he's changed the price to something ridiculous to prevent anyone ordering. It will probably revert to a sensible price once he's re-stocked. This is very common practice.

I'm sure you're right, Keith, but that's right bloody stupid. What's wrong with putting a notice on the ad, which shows that said item is temporarily out of stock? Maybe that's just too simple in today's needlessly over-complicated world! :rolleyes:

Marco.

keiths
14-12-2012, 19:41
I'm sure you're right, Keith, but that's right bloody stupid. What's wrong with putting a notice on the ad, which shows that said item is temporarily out of stock? Maybe that's just too simple in today's needlessly over-complicated world! :rolleyes:

Marco.

Suspect it's ebay policies and stuff - you're not allowed to advertise something you haven't got stock of. I imagine the seller has multiple outlets (ebay, own website, physical shop etc), so running out of stock probably happens from time to time and this is a simple way of getting round it and staying within ebay's rules.

Marco
14-12-2012, 19:42
Mmmm, again you're probably right... I'm saying nothing more, but I'm sure you know what I'm thinking! ;)

Marco.

Barry
14-12-2012, 19:46
Hi Barry, They have a reputation for being very linear, but I've never heard a pair or seen any measurements to confirm this.

I only know one owner who has a pair (in France) and he reckons they are better than his Goodmans Axiom 80's which have a very good reputation. He's not interested in measurement but says they are very natural sounding.

I thought I'd post the auction as the more obscure vintage hifi like these speakers rarely get any coverage here in the UK. It usually tends to be the same old Quad/Leak/Tannoy/Garrard/Thorens stuff that's been done to death so I thought this might be a breath of fresh air. But, maybe I'm wrong and there's no interest in this these lesser known gems.

Well they certainly look the business and in very good condition. My query was that no speaker in existence has a totally flat frequency response. To quote a response +/- 0dB is absurd and doesn't lend the seller any credence.

Regards

Rare Bird
14-12-2012, 19:58
One of my fav Belt drives

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Classic-Transrotor-AC-by-Michell-und-SME-III-Tonarm-/200860194774?pt=Plattenspieler&hash=item2ec43357d6

Marco
14-12-2012, 20:07
From a design perspective, I love it! Dunno about a sonic one... ;)

Marco.

Rare Bird
14-12-2012, 20:09
HiFi Daves gonna leave me his 'Prisma' in his will.. He's a good lad. Some nice blokes on here. Jonboys a good lad too, ive got his lafayette valve amp in his will also :lol:

:sofa:

BTH K10A
14-12-2012, 23:34
Well they certainly look the business and in very good condition. My query was that no speaker in existence has a totally flat frequency response. To quote a response +/- 0dB is absurd and doesn't lend the seller any credence.

Regards

I just thought that the speakers themselves might provoke some interest rather than the sellers text..:confused:

It seems that this is the wrong forum for this more esoteric kind of stuff when an overpriced crappy connector seems to generate more interest and comment. :mental:

Marco
15-12-2012, 08:50
I thought I'd post the auction as the more obscure vintage hifi like these speakers rarely get any coverage here in the UK. It usually tends to be the same old Quad/Leak/Tannoy/Garrard/Thorens stuff that's been done to death so I thought this might be a breath of fresh air. But, maybe I'm wrong and there's no interest in this these lesser known gems.

Well I certainly found them interesting, Andy! I didn't comment because I know nothing about them, but if I were in the market for a medium-sized pair of stand-mounts, being as I'm a massive fan of vintage broadcast equipment (and I love the rather 'sober' looking studio aesthetic of the Schulz), they'd definitely be high up on my 'must have' list, so thanks for sharing the pictures :)

Marco.

Wakefield Turntables
15-12-2012, 08:56
Very bauhaus, or was western German design philosophy :scratch:

DaveK
15-12-2012, 09:23
It seems that this is the wrong forum for this more esoteric kind of stuff when an overpriced crappy connector seems to generate more interest and comment. :mental:

I personally don't think that theory 'holds water' - maybe if you'd been more specific about the point you were trying to make you'd have got a more acceptable response? :scratch: I know nowt about such things but from my experience there's no shortage of knowledge on the "more esoteric" bits of audio kit on this forum, not to mention some 'more esoteric' members themselves :lol: .
Dave.

Marco
15-12-2012, 09:32
Arf!! :eyebrows:

Marco.

StanleyB
15-12-2012, 10:48
It seems that this is the wrong forum for this more esoteric kind of stuff when an overpriced crappy connector seems to generate more interest and comment. :mental:
And people like me learned a lot more from those comments than I ever expected. I had no idea that some sellers bump up the price in order to give themselves time to get more stock of an item so that they don't get in trouble with eBay. Had it not been for the knowledge rich AoS community this fact would have escaped me.

How you can descibe this as a wrong forum when the end result was an upgraded insight into the workings of eBay and the scams employed by some sellers is beyond me. The thread is afterall called "Bargains on eBay?" with the question mark making it quite clear that what appears to be a bargain might not be the case at all. It is not only about exotic vintage equipment you know.

BTH K10A
15-12-2012, 11:19
I personally don't think that theory 'holds water' - maybe if you'd been more specific about the point you were trying to make you'd have got a more acceptable response? :scratch: I know nowt about such things but from my experience there's no shortage of knowledge on the "more esoteric" bits of audio kit on this forum, not to mention some 'more esoteric' members themselves :lol: .
Dave.

I wasn't trying to make any point, just trying to bring to the forum some of the less common vintage kit that others may never of heard of which is why I wrote "Something special from behind the iron curtain".

Before posting, I had looked back over the last 12 pages of this thread, it seems to have degenerated into a dissing fest and I had hoped that my post may have generated comment on the speakers themselves rather than questioning the sellers integrity.

There are no doubt a lot of very knowledgable people on this forum and I'm not sure what your point is as the post was intended to introduce what is actually an exceptional speaker to those who may never have heard of it via an auction with text & pics that gives a fair bit of information on its design and development.

As they say, "you can lead a horse to water............."

BTH K10A
15-12-2012, 11:27
And people like me learned a lot more from those comments than I ever expected. I had no idea that some sellers bump up the price in order to give themselves time to get more stock of an item so that they don't get in trouble with eBay. Had it not been for the knowledge rich AoS community this fact would have escaped me.

How you can descibe this as a wrong forum when the end result was an upgraded insight into the workings of eBay and the scams employed by some sellers is beyond me. The thread is afterall called "Bargains on eBay?" with the question mark making it quite clear that what appears to be a bargain might not be the case at all. It is not only about exotic vintage equipment you know.

I didn't realise that interconnect was a "Past Master". I therefore withdraw my use of the word "Crappy" as I must be wrong.

I do however take your point regarding knowledge on ebay working although I fail to see why a seller will not just suspend the listing until he has more stock as any potential customer seeing that listing with a very high price may well be unlikely to return.

Marco
15-12-2012, 11:46
I fail to see why a seller will not just suspend the listing until he has more stock as any potential customer seeing that listing with a very high price may well be unlikely to return.


My thoughts precisely. People tend not to scrutinise things too deeply and judge superficially on face value, so presented with an ad like that on ebay, they're more likely to think the seller is a clown than congratulate him on his inventive approach to stocktaking!

I know I would, as evidenced by my initial reaction to seeing the ad :)

Marco.

DaveK
15-12-2012, 11:48
Andy, the point I was trying to make is that if you wanted to initiate a discussion on the more esoteric aspects of anything maybe you should have phrased your 'question' differently. I believe you are correct in your assessment of how the thread has developed and deviated from it's original purpose and that lead to your post being interpreted in the same vein.
Start a thread on an esoteric aspect on which you would welcome an exchange of views and I'm sure you'll get some very intelligent and insightful responses (but not from me :lol: ).
Dave.

Barry
15-12-2012, 13:18
Arrived a bit late to answer this Andy, but I was interested in your post. Interested enough to look at the listing and comment on it.

In fact I always look at your posts in this thread, as you have an uncanny knack of finding rare, vintage and exotic items of audio equipment "out there".

I do know of the Axiom 80 design and am well aware of its good reputation. I had not heard of the designer of the Klangfilm speaker, or know anything about him or his design philosophy, but that is not too surprising concerning most things behind the 'Iron Curtain'.

When I started this thread, my intention was to report genuine bargains that had been made on eBay. The question mark was added to the title, as what I might regard as a bargain, others might not. Since then the thread has broadened to cover active listings of audio gear, and comments on the final bid price once the bidding has closed. Often desirable and much sought after items of kit will eventually go for ridiculous amounts (a recent sale of a pair of BBC LS3/5s for £5000 is a case in point).

So you were right to draw members attention to the speakers and post it in this thread.

If you want to broaden the discussion, I would suggest in future a separate post is made in another section.

Regards

Rare Bird
15-12-2012, 20:41
261142854332

vinylspinner
16-12-2012, 11:34
May be of interest to some here....item no. 221167273984


Nigel

Roy S
16-12-2012, 14:14
If anyone's in the vicinity this might be worth a punt

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DENON-DP-3000-DIRECT-DRIVE-VINTAGE-TURNTABLE-SME-TONEARM-/121036304870?_trksid=e17000.m7&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D6%26ps%3D 63%26clkid%3D4197639493834590993&_qi=RTM756414

Jonboy
16-12-2012, 16:43
261142854332


Gone now

nat8808
16-12-2012, 23:27
cos was over priced - is back on at £350 (I'd keep waiting till it gets down a fair bit lower-people are busy with xmas anyway).

dantheman91
17-12-2012, 20:23
Someone got a bargin

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/290828723564?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2648&autorefresh=true

walpurgis
17-12-2012, 21:35
Bargain universal headshell. Only £2.23 plus £1.99 postqage and remarkably good quality at the price. I've just received one, it's nicely cast rigid alloy and it came with tag wires, two screw on mass weights and two sets of mounting screws. Unbelievably cheap.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251045040667?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

(I've just ordered four more, you never know when an extra headshell might be handy. You even get a 99p postage reduction on each extra item)

Roy S
17-12-2012, 21:44
Bargain universal headshell. Only £2.23 plus £1.99 postqage and remarkably good quality at the price. I've just received one, it's nicely cast rigid alloy and it came with tag wires, two mass weights and two sets of mounting screws. Unbelievably cheap.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251045040667?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

(I've just ordered four more, you never know when an extra headshell might be handy. You even getb a 99p postage reduction on each extra item)

Does it fit in your tonearm? I bought one of these 'universal' headshells before and it didn't fit my techies or my jvc, think it was from a different supplier though.

walpurgis
17-12-2012, 21:53
Does it fit in your tonearm? I bought one of these 'universal' headshells before and it didn't fit my techies or my jvc, think it was from a different supplier though.

Yes, it fits my Rega R200 and my Pioneer PL-61 arms perfectly snugly, no slopping about. Seems a very good quality item.

The Grand Wazoo
18-12-2012, 08:24
Yet another ebay trader demonstrates exactly how to present and price their goods to their best advantage. Doesn't an advert like this (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/8-Classical-Records-33s-/261139320906?pt=UK_Records&hash=item3ccd1dd04a&_uhb=1) just make you want to get your wallet out?!

MartinT
18-12-2012, 09:24
Hmm, for a bargain £99.99 too!

Rare Bird
20-12-2012, 17:46
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rare-INCA-TECH-Hi-fi-Home-Audio-Sound-Mono-Monoblock-Amp-Amplifier-/200867784701?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Amplifiers&hash=item2ec4a727fd&_uhb=1

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rare-INCA-TECH-Hi-fi-Home-Audio-Sound-Mono-Monoblock-Amp-Amplifier-2-/400370414633?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Amplifiers&hash=item5d37efb429

Jonboy
20-12-2012, 17:54
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rare-INCA-TECH-Hi-fi-Home-Audio-Sound-Mono-Monoblock-Amp-Amplifier-/200867784701?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Amplifiers&hash=item2ec4a727fd&_uhb=1

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rare-INCA-TECH-Hi-fi-Home-Audio-Sound-Mono-Monoblock-Amp-Amplifier-2-/400370414633?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Amplifiers&hash=item5d37efb429


Mosfets, i've been told they can be tempermentle suffering from oscilation if leads are run to close

Rare Bird
20-12-2012, 17:55
My old Linx amp was a mosfet sounded superb.

Jonboy
20-12-2012, 18:48
DM3s for restoration (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bowers-Wilkins-DM3-quality-speakers-super-collectable-pair-in-rosewood-cabinets-/130814446532?pt=UK_AudioVideoElectronics_HomeAudio HiFi_HiFiSpeakers&hash=item1e75260bc4)

Cabinets look good but the coles supertweeters look a bit past it, the EMI bass units look ok though but they can go out of shape and are non replacable surrounds

The Grand Wazoo
20-12-2012, 21:16
If you're brave enough to spend a few quid on a decent tuner, then this one here (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SANSUI-TU-X1-SUPER-INTEGRATED-FM-AM-STEREO-TUNER-/251198693918?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Tuners&hash=item3a7c9be21e&_uhb=1) is probably the best thing available at the moment. A bit of a legend really - if you think you've heard a good tuner & you haven't heard one of these, then think again!

southall-1998
20-12-2012, 22:03
If your looking for a musical amp...Give this little beast a try.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Exposure-x-Integrated-Amplifier-Immaculate-Condition-/251202541855?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Amplifiers&hash=item3a7cd6991f&_uhb=1

MartinT
21-12-2012, 07:20
A bit of a legend really - if you think you've heard a good tuner & you haven't heard one of these, then think again!

I used to own a Hitachi FT5500-II which was also a pretty damn good tuner in its day.

Rare Bird
21-12-2012, 18:24
All great but what about build quality!

walpurgis
21-12-2012, 20:41
Useful looking Goldring Lenco GL78 in Ely. No serious bids yet and it finishes soon.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GOLDRING-LENCO-GL-78-TRANSCRIPTION-TURNTABLE-RECORD-PLAYER-/200865872188?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_Vintage_Separates&hash=item2ec489f93c

walpurgis
21-12-2012, 20:45
Sensibly priced Ditton 25s in Hatfield. Look in nice condition, great with valves!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Celestion-Ditton-25-Pair-Studio-Speakers-Working-Original-/181007044800?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_Vintage_Separates&hash=item2a24dc50c0

walpurgis
21-12-2012, 20:55
Another cheap (so far) GL78 in East Sussex.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Goldring-Lenco-record-deck-/200865474534?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Turntables&hash=item2ec483e7e6

southall-1998
21-12-2012, 21:04
Yum Yum...These look nice, bit pricey. I wouldn't have to worry about bass!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Stunning-Celestion-Ditton-66-MkII-Monitor-Speakers-/271104899620?_trksid=p5197.m1992&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3 D1%26asc%3D14%26meid%3D4320205346995691027%26pid%3 D100015%26prg%3D1006%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D271104899620% 26

Jonboy
21-12-2012, 21:20
Another cheap (so far) GL78 in East Sussex.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Goldring-Lenco-record-deck-/200865474534?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Turntables&hash=item2ec483e7e6


Just around the corner from my parents :eyebrows:

MikeMusic
22-12-2012, 08:57
Now is the time to pick up a bargain as so many people leave Ebay alone for a couple of weeks
'Course you need a low start, low or no reserve and if you are lucky collect only around the corner

StanleyB
22-12-2012, 09:02
Yum Yum...These look nice, bit pricey. I wouldn't have to worry about bass!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Stunning-Celestion-Ditton-66-MkII-Monitor-Speakers-/271104899620?_trksid=p5197.m1992&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3 D1%26asc%3D14%26meid%3D4320205346995691027%26pid%3 D100015%26prg%3D1006%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D271104899620% 26

The price has gone through the roof. Not a bad sounding speaker, but not worth that kind of expenditure.

wiicrackpot
22-12-2012, 09:33
Techy fanboys alert !!, been keeping an eye on this, could be useful to some, 99p with 5hrs to go.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Deck-casting-and-base-cover-fromTechnics-SP10-mkll-/321041893343?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Turntables&hash=item4abf9687df

walpurgis
22-12-2012, 12:19
Just around the corner from my parents :eyebrows:

If you can get it for under £60, I'd suggest grabbing it. They are going up in value rapidly. Not to mention that they sound rather good, even better with an arm upgrade.

Rare Bird
22-12-2012, 12:49
Useful looking Goldring Lenco GL78 in Ely. No serious bids yet and it finishes soon.



Im suprised no ones astute enough as to converting a Goldring/lenco into a record cleaning machine ;) It's what im doing with mine..

walpurgis
22-12-2012, 13:27
Are you sure it will fit in your sink Andre?

BTH K10A
22-12-2012, 14:11
Im suprised no ones astute enough as to converting a Goldring/lenco into a record cleaning machine ;) It's what im doing with mine..

Isn't that what Loricraft did on their earlier models?

southall-1998
22-12-2012, 14:36
Looks like someone bought an amp for a good price. But, I think that pic was not taken by the seller...Also it looks the seller sold another XV and used the same pic too. Check the feedback.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Exposure-XV-Integrated-Amplifier-/251202600822?nma=true&si=Kxg7067O46A0QP%2BUM8s%2Fed8wjdY%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Jonboy
22-12-2012, 14:39
If you can get it for under £60, I'd suggest grabbing it. They are going up in value rapidly. Not to mention that they sound rather good, even better with an arm upgrade.


It made £62 but my laptop decided to update and restart just as i was thinking of bidding :steam:

Oh well i have one already it it only cost me £25 just being greedy

Mr Kipling
22-12-2012, 15:25
Im suprised no ones astute enough as to converting a Goldring/lenco into a record cleaning machine ;) It's what im doing with mine..

Why?

Rare Bird
22-12-2012, 15:31
Because record cleaning machines are expensive..Why not put it to good use.

Mr Kipling
22-12-2012, 15:49
Because record cleaning machines are expensive..Why not put it to good use.

Andre! Andre! Andre!

Andre. . . Andre. . . Andre. . .

An. . . . . . . A. . . . . . .

walpurgis
22-12-2012, 22:43
Pair of Lowther Acousta horn speakers in Coventry. Look as if they may go cheap! Listing ends tomorrow.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PAIR-OF-LOWTHER-ACOUSTA-PM6-DRIVE-UNIT-SPEAKERS-IN-ORIGINAL-CABINETS-/160939925057?pt=UK_AudioVideoElectronics_HomeAudio HiFi_HiFiSpeakers&hash=item2578c45e41

walpurgis
22-12-2012, 23:42
Pair of hefty Wharfedale 12" drive units in Greenwich, London. Looks like they'll go cheap, ending tomorrow.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/190770529433?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

The Grand Wazoo
23-12-2012, 00:16
This (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Understanding-The-Art-Of-Sound-Organization-9780262122924-by-Leigh-Landy-NEW-/200863151396?pt=Non_Fiction&hash=item2ec4607524) is the manual that all new AoS moderators should read!

MartinT
23-12-2012, 08:58
Gosh, I never knew we had our very own bible.

Macca
23-12-2012, 09:53
This (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Understanding-The-Art-Of-Sound-Organization-9780262122924-by-Leigh-Landy-NEW-/200863151396?pt=Non_Fiction&hash=item2ec4607524) is the manual that all new AoS moderators should read!



Description



The first work to propose a comprehensive musicological framework to study sound-based music, .

So there is now music that is not based on sound? Had to happen eventually...

BTH K10A
23-12-2012, 10:48
http://stores.ebay.co.uk/megaposters/_i.html?rt=nc&_sid=1028788103&_trksid=p4634.c0.m14.l1581&_pgn=2

He's producing quite a comprehensive range of plinths that look to be pretty good quality.

MartinT
23-12-2012, 11:07
Nope, but they look nice.

chelsea
23-12-2012, 11:30
http://stores.ebay.co.uk/megaposters/_i.html?rt=nc&_sid=1028788103&_trksid=p4634.c0.m14.l1581&_pgn=2

He's producing quite a comprehensive range of plinths that look to be pretty good quality.

Tempted to get one of the 301 plinths.

Alex_UK
23-12-2012, 13:31
http://stores.ebay.co.uk/megaposters/_i.html?rt=nc&_sid=1028788103&_trksid=p4634.c0.m14.l1581&_pgn=2

He's producing quite a comprehensive range of plinths that look to be pretty good quality.

Also selling "fake" Spendor BC1 and Rogers LS3/5a labels, and from Moldova... I'm not sure I would buy from him personally but feedback looks good.

BTH K10A
23-12-2012, 16:09
Also selling "fake" Spendor BC1 and Rogers LS3/5a labels, and from Moldova... I'm not sure I would buy from him personally but feedback looks good.

Yes, I saw the labels but remembered when I was restoring my JBL 4333's. The foilcals that cover the L-Pads were missing so I had to resort to fake aftermarket copies. JBL did not respond to any emails and were obviously unwilling to supply.
Many professional studio speakers had a hard life and it's common to find decals missing or damaged. I doubt that Spendor would supply them as they are no longer willing to even service the drivers for SP1's. I don't know about Rogers but I would guess the same applies.

I think the clone LS3/5 cabinets are fine but, selling them with Rogers decals on the back may be sailing a little too close to the wind.

Whilst I would agree that we should be wary of scammers and rogues, the fact is they are in in every country, the sellers and feedback should be sufficient to determine whether to buy from them or not.

Also, I happen to have a couple of colleagues from Moldova who happen to some of the most pleasant, honest people you could hope to meet and I found the comment "and from Moldova" a little presumptuous and, although I don't think it was intended, it does come across as a little Xenophobic.

Marco
23-12-2012, 16:38
Im suprised no ones astute enough as to converting a Goldring/lenco into a record cleaning machine... It's what im doing with mine..

Nice move, dude. Trust me, once you're used to listening to pristine clean records, there's no going back! ;)

Marco.

Alex_UK
23-12-2012, 17:43
...and I found the comment "and from Moldova" a little presumptuous and, although I don't think it was intended, it does come across as a little Xenophobic.

I just meant the fact that the seller is abroad and therefore more chance of problems, that was all - would apply just the same wherever if not in the uk as I personally am much more wary but others may not be so concerned.

MartinT
23-12-2012, 17:46
I think the clone LS3/5 cabinets are fine but, selling them with Rogers decals on the back may be sailing a little too close to the wind.

Thinking about this, it could be a very good inexpensive project if you are prepared to forego the KEF original drivers which are pretty much unobtainium now anyway. Who made clone drivers with the same hole mountings? Was it SEAS? Crossovers from Wilmslow could complete the project. Hmm, might be nice as near-field monitors for my PC.

DSJR
23-12-2012, 17:49
Anyone wanting to make a modern version of the LS3/5A should look at the Stirling Broadcast kits. I bet carcasses are available on their own if necessary and the whole thing is around £500 in kit form I believe. An old friend and colleague from the mid 70's is going to have a go at making some, since he has fond memories of his original Audiomaster ones from this period.

MartinT
23-12-2012, 18:14
Thanks, David. I discovered this at the same time as I read your post:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Complete-Replacement-LS3-5a-Driver-Kit-Pair-/160855698603?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_Speaker_Parts&hash=item2573bf2cab

Jonboy
23-12-2012, 23:34
Thanks, David. I discovered this at the same time as I read your post:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Complete-Replacement-LS3-5a-Driver-Kit-Pair-/160855698603?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_Speaker_Parts&hash=item2573bf2cab

Food for thought as i'm yet to own a pair :)

Ali Tait
24-12-2012, 00:11
Pair of Lowther Acousta horn speakers in Coventry. Look as if they may go cheap! Listing ends tomorrow.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PAIR-OF-LOWTHER-ACOUSTA-PM6-DRIVE-UNIT-SPEAKERS-IN-ORIGINAL-CABINETS-/160939925057?pt=UK_AudioVideoElectronics_HomeAudio HiFi_HiFiSpeakers&hash=item2578c45e41

Well thought I'd take a punt. Never thought I'd win but I did!

Just have to go and fetch them now...

brian2957
24-12-2012, 00:28
You got room for them mate :lol:. How you doin BTW. :) Hoping to get a little get together at mine early in the new year . Won't be able to match the wifes' curry , but I'll try.
edit : like the guys email address , very apt !!!

Ali Tait
24-12-2012, 00:43
Sure I'll find room!

Doing good thanks mate, a get together sounds good, just let me know when.

brian2957
24-12-2012, 00:48
Will do mate . Enjoy the holidays :cool:

Ali Tait
24-12-2012, 00:57
Aye, you too.

The Grand Wazoo
24-12-2012, 01:01
Bloody hell, Ali - that was a good buy! Well done mate

Ali Tait
24-12-2012, 01:12
Aye, assuming the drivers are as good as he says. Hopefully they are.

The Grand Wazoo
24-12-2012, 01:16
Well, he says so, and that they were new 2 yrs ago, so you should be OK. If not, then you should be able to recoup your losses.

Ali Tait
24-12-2012, 01:19
Yes, looks good, and he has good feedback too. I like Lowthers, be good to have a pair at last.

MartinT
24-12-2012, 05:36
Outstanding purchase, Ali. They should work well with your valves.

Ali Tait
24-12-2012, 09:07
Cheers Martin, yes that's the idea, I have a nice 2a3 amp that should be just the job.

walpurgis
24-12-2012, 21:48
Here are those super quality speaker cables you've been promising yourself for Christmas!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/speakers-wire-/230899530100?pt=UK_AudioVideoElectronics_HomeAudio HiFi_HiFiSpeakers&hash=item35c2af3974

The Grand Wazoo
24-12-2012, 21:52
Some plugs identical that were the very first things I ever ruined with a soldering iron!

walpurgis
24-12-2012, 21:55
Ha, Ha, join the club. The five pin DINs were even worse.

BTH K10A
24-12-2012, 21:56
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rogers-T75-Tuner-Series-2-/170963984495?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_Vintage_Separates&hash=item27ce3f606f

I used to have the earlier version with the multi coloured buttons and it was very good.

Rare Bird
24-12-2012, 21:59
I used to have the earlier version with the multi coloured buttons and it was very good.

That be the 'Panthera' model with the Lime green & Red press buttons?

walpurgis
24-12-2012, 21:59
Mega rare Larson Pyramid omnidirectional speakers in Lancashire.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Legendary-Larson-LP720-Omni-Directional-Speakers-/271126141442?pt=UK_AudioVideoElectronics_HomeAudio HiFi_HiFiSpeakers&hash=item3f20609a02

Mr Kipling
24-12-2012, 22:02
Howwa man Geoff! I was hyperventilating with anticipation for a good 2 or 3 minutes waiting for the page to load.

walpurgis
24-12-2012, 22:09
Dirt cheap vintage Goodmans RB35 speakers in Hertford!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Pair-of-Goodmans-RB35-speakers-/230901381456?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_Vintage_Separates&hash=item35c2cb7950

BTH K10A
24-12-2012, 22:12
That be the 'Panthera' model with the Lime green & Red press buttons?

Thats the one, bought it from a Junk shop for a fiver in the late 90's and passed it on about five years ago.

southall-1998
24-12-2012, 22:33
Mega rare Larson Pyramid omnidirectional speakers in Lancashire.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Legendary-Larson-LP720-Omni-Directional-Speakers-/271126141442?pt=UK_AudioVideoElectronics_HomeAudio HiFi_HiFiSpeakers&hash=item3f20609a02

They look very nice! Have you owned a pair?

walpurgis
24-12-2012, 22:37
They look very nice! Have you owned a pair?

No, never owned them, but I recall hearing a pair, must have been around 1979. I thought they sounded pretty decent if my memory serves me. I believe they used similar drivers to the Dynaco/Scan-Dyna A25 speakers of the same era.

Jonboy
24-12-2012, 22:47
No, never owned them, but I recall hearing a pair, must have been around 1979. I thought they sounded pretty decent if my memory serves me. I believe they used similar drivers to the Dynaco/Scan-Dyna A25 speakers of the same era.



Showing your age Geoff in 1979 i had just gone up to secondary school :lol:

walpurgis
24-12-2012, 23:08
Showing your age Geoff in 1979 i had just gone up to secondary school :lol:

That means you can't be far behind me!

Rare Bird
25-12-2012, 00:58
Yum Yum

200869425801

The Grand Wazoo
25-12-2012, 01:17
Blimey - 8 of the little tinkers!
Probably only you & I on AoS know anything about these Andre!

Rare Bird
25-12-2012, 02:55
Aye good stuuf..'Stratos', 'Nebula', Vega', 'Theta', Pulsar', Quasar'.... were all good products..

Ali Tait
25-12-2012, 08:32
Heard of them but never seen or heard any in the flesh. Rare as rocking horse poo I'd say.

walpurgis
25-12-2012, 10:02
Very rare Supex SM-100 Mk.III MM pickup cartridge. Never heard one myself, but these are reputed to be one of the very best MM designs.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SUPEX-SM-100-MK-III-Magnetic-Cartridge-/121041190347?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Turntables&hash=item1c2e9dfdcb

Rare Bird
25-12-2012, 13:13
Nice Geoff
Never realised their was a Mk.III !

walpurgis
25-12-2012, 19:51
Interesting kit to convert your SME arm to 14" length. Seller in Canada.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SME-3009-Hybrid-Tonearm-Conversion-Kit-to-14-inches-Pro-machinist-DEAL-PRICE-/160944372209?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item25790839f1

hifi_dave
26-12-2012, 12:48
Very rare Supex SM-100 Mk.III MM pickup cartridge. Never heard one myself, but these are reputed to be one of the very best MM designs.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SUPEX-SM-100-MK-III-Magnetic-Cartridge-/121041190347?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Turntables&hash=item1c2e9dfdcb

Sold many of those back in the day. The design lives on in the Sumiko Oyster, Black Pearl and Pearl.

walpurgis
26-12-2012, 16:02
Sold many of those back in the day. The design lives on in the Sumiko Oyster, Black Pearl and Pearl.

Is that the case Dave? I did not know. That means the design also lives on in some of the Clearaudio MM cartridges, which are very close relatives of the Sumikos.

southall-1998
26-12-2012, 21:44
VDH interconnects....The seller is also selling Valves.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Van-Den-Hul-D102-mk11-interconnect-cables-/271127518715?_trksid=p5197.m1992&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3 D1%26asc%3D14%26meid%3D4436811917709917392%26pid%3 D100015%26prg%3D1006%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D271127518715% 26

Thing Fish
26-12-2012, 22:12
Rogers & thorens...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Wooden-Radiogram-Thorens-TD-150-MK-II-Turntable-Rogers-Amp-and-Tuner-/130824907114?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_Vintage_Radios&hash=item1e75c5a96a

telefunken...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TELEFUNKEN-M15A-RECORDER-PLAYER-USED-/181051186259?pt=UK_MusicalInstruments_Other_Pro_Au dio_Equipment&hash=item2a277ddc53

ortofon...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hi-Fi-Ortofon-vintage-moving-coil-Cartridge-Headset-pick-up-model-C-1957-/370721617359?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Turntables&hash=item5650baf5cf

Rare Bird
26-12-2012, 22:29
Vintage-Wooden-Radiogram-Thorens-TD-150-MK-II-Turntable-Rogers-Amp-and-Tuner

telefunken...M15A



Loverly.I'll take the lot :D

nat8808
27-12-2012, 01:30
Aye good stuuf..'Stratos', 'Nebula', Vega', 'Theta', Pulsar', Quasar'.... were all good products..

You've forgotten the Sigma (DAC):

http://www.hifiwigwam.com/showthread.php?71674-FS-Lynx-Sigma-Two-box-TDA1541-S1-DAC-descrete-headamp-variable-output

Have been a few pre-power Stratos set-ups on ebay recently, one with four power amps.

nat8808
27-12-2012, 01:35
Heard of them but never seen or heard any in the flesh. Rare as rocking horse poo I'd say.

Uncommon I'd say.

They come up as often as any other uncommon thing.

Below a certain level of common of anything, unless you are on ebay going through the whole lot often enough, you will likely never see another again..

That's what leads people to believe that some things are as rare as this or that when they're just uncommon. It's just how the statistics work out - constant passing ships in the night.

nat8808
27-12-2012, 01:47
Mega rare Larson Pyramid omnidirectional speakers in Lancashire.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Legendary-Larson-LP720-Omni-Directional-Speakers-/271126141442?pt=UK_AudioVideoElectronics_HomeAudio HiFi_HiFiSpeakers&hash=item3f20609a02

Now that this listing has ended, ebay is showing me three other pairs for sale...

Not so mega rare, but see my post above and that then leads people to believe that they are rare and therefore valuable and hence try to ask stupid prices for them as the three suggested show.

You then get people holding on to them believing they shouldn't let them go for less than £600 because of their rarity and so none sell, others see that high asking price and snap up cheaper ones, taking them off the market so that they appear yet more rare, only to find that when auctioned they only reach £155.. then it is cried that someone got a real bargain.

The psychology of ebay is quite an eye-opener really and blows away the idea that any market finds a just price due to simple market forces - yet that's a widely held belief of those who are controlling the banks and our economies. It's no wonder it has all gone tits up since trusting the markets further and further with fewer and fewer controls. Really it is just a chaotic bubble making machine when left unattended.

Rare Bird
27-12-2012, 14:25
Their was a maga bargin on auction yesterday a VPI 16.5 Record cleaner £175.00, i knew it would be bought up straight away.

Marco
27-12-2012, 14:30
Damned right it's a bargain... That's what I use and it cost me £300 second-hand! Mind you, the previous owner had only used it twice, from new! :eyebrows:

Marco.

walpurgis
27-12-2012, 20:25
Never heard of this Teac TT before, looks like a sixties jobbie, nice!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Teac-TN-102-Magnefloat-Turntable-SME-3009-Tonearm-ADC-ZLM-Cartridge-Stylus-/321043509761?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Turntables&hash=item4abfaf3201

Rare Bird
27-12-2012, 20:34
^ Saw it yesterday, it made my gusset a bit sweaty :eyebrows:

Rare Bird
28-12-2012, 01:04
o well, better luck next time..

251201105745

The Grand Wazoo
28-12-2012, 01:50
Yep, the next copy will only fetch a fiver, fer sure!

Rare Bird
28-12-2012, 02:34
:lolsign:

seoirse2002
28-12-2012, 10:38
Now that this listing has ended, ebay is showing me three other pairs for sale...

Not so mega rare, but see my post above and that then leads people to believe that they are rare and therefore valuable and hence try to ask stupid prices for them as the three suggested show.

You then get people holding on to them believing they shouldn't let them go for less than £600 because of their rarity and so none sell, others see that high asking price and snap up cheaper ones, taking them off the market so that they appear yet more rare, only to find that when auctioned they only reach £155.. then it is cried that someone got a real bargain.

The psychology of ebay is quite an eye-opener really and blows away the idea that any market finds a just price due to simple market forces - yet that's a widely held belief of those who are controlling the banks and our economies. It's no wonder it has all gone tits up since trusting the markets further and further with fewer and fewer controls. Really it is just a chaotic bubble making machine when left unattended.

Hi Nat,
Ive got a pair for sale if you want them cheap!!and Im in London too!:cool:

Mr Kipling
28-12-2012, 12:37
Now that this listing has ended, ebay is showing me three other pairs for sale...

Not so mega rare, but see my post above and that then leads people to believe that they are rare and therefore valuable and hence try to ask stupid prices for them as the three suggested show.

You then get people holding on to them believing they shouldn't let them go for less than £600 because of their rarity and so none sell, others see that high asking price and snap up cheaper ones, taking them off the market so that they appear yet more rare, only to find that when auctioned they only reach £155.. then it is cried that someone got a real bargain.

The psychology of ebay is quite an eye-opener really and blows away the idea that any market finds a just price due to simple market forces - yet that's a widely held belief of those who are controlling the banks and our economies. It's no wonder it has all gone tits up since trusting the markets further and further with fewer and fewer controls. Really it is just a chaotic bubble making machine when left unattended.

Doesn't it just go to show how greedy and opportunist people can be - given the chance? What did such individuals do before the advent of eBay? Recently I saw a turntable sell and was listed by the buyer a few days later with a 50% increase in price for which he had bought it for. Wasn't it Maggie Thatcher who suggested the marketplace was all that mattered and that a social conscience was an irrelevence? Sellers insist on using the word 'rare' in their description when quite often it doesn't apply.

Macca
28-12-2012, 13:12
Doesn't it just go to show how greedy and opportunist people can be - given the chance? What did such individuals do before the advent of eBay? Recently I saw a turntable sell and was listed by the buyer a few days later with a 50% increase in price for which he had bought it for. Wasn't it Maggie Thatcher who suggested the marketplace was all that mattered and that a social conscience was an irrelevence? Sellers insist on using the word 'rare' in their description when quite often it doesn't apply.

You are thinking of the fabled 'no such thing as society' quote I imagine - here it is in its full context:

"I think we've been through a period where too many people have been given to understand that if they have a problem, it's the government's job to cope with it. 'I have a problem, I'll get a grant.' 'I'm homeless, the government must house me.' They're casting their problem on society. And, you know, there is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first. It's our duty to look after ourselves and then, also to look after our neighbour. People have got the entitlements too much in mind, without the obligations. There's no such thing as entitlement, unless someone has first met an obligation."

Makes perfect sense to me...

Personally I do not see anything morally wrong with buying and selling Hi-Fi equipment for profit and I find it baffling that some people seem to think it should be different from any other commodity.

losenotaminute
28-12-2012, 13:21
Doesn't it just go to show how greedy and opportunist people can be - given the chance? What did such individuals do before the advent of eBay? Recently I saw a turntable sell and was listed by the buyer a few days later with a 50% increase in price for which he had bought it for. Wasn't it Maggie Thatcher who suggested the marketplace was all that mattered and that a social conscience was an irrelevence? Sellers insist on using the word 'rare' in their description when quite often it doesn't apply.

Yes I agree, it would be much fairer if everything was allocated by the State, why should people be allowed to spend their resources as they wish.

MartinT
28-12-2012, 13:39
"I think we've been through a period where too many people have been given to understand that if they have a problem, it's the government's job to cope with it. 'I have a problem, I'll get a grant.' 'I'm homeless, the government must house me.' They're casting their problem on society. And, you know, there is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first. It's our duty to look after ourselves and then, also to look after our neighbour. People have got the entitlements too much in mind, without the obligations. There's no such thing as entitlement, unless someone has first met an obligation."

Makes perfect sense to me...

Makes perfect sense to me, too.

Mr Kipling
28-12-2012, 17:07
Fair enough. I'm all for a sense of fairness and equality - but that's just me. Individuals asking £500 for a Garrard SP25 MK IV or £250 for a rusty carcass of a valve amp that has been found in a garden shed and only fit for the bin, just seems like opportunist greed, to me.

Earlier in the year I watched an item on BBC 1 looking at how people were coping in the aftermath of the banking collapse in the US. One aging female fashion designer had lost everything and was now living in a tent in a wood where a whole community was sprouting up with others in the same predicament. Others were living by the sides of highways. Some were living in the drainage area under a hotel intended for flash floods. A nurse had lost her job and couldn't pay the morgage and her and the three kids were living in their car. She could not see any way out of her plight and the desperation on her face was quite painful to watch. Luckilly, she was parked not far from a church and at some point later a total stranger saw their plight and took them in.

It's 2012 and this is how people are existing in a so-called christian and civilized (and rich) country.

Last month there was a series on poverty on BBC 4 In the USA there is now said to be 43 million classed as poor, and the gulf between the rich and poor is ever-widening growing exponentialally. But it's not simply the fact that the rich are getting rich, their moral base is said to be shifting. The elite rich are buying political power (nothing new I suppose) and with it goes tax cuts to the already rich with the less well-off paying for them. Any sort of measure to curtail their wealth amassment is seen as a threat, and has to be dealt with.

I found it quite depressing and just showed what greed leads to. Look at Apple. How much does an i-phone cost? Then look at the absolute (absolute) pittance they pay their Chinese workers.

Rare Bird
28-12-2012, 17:15
Makes perfect sense to me, too.

+1

losenotaminute
28-12-2012, 20:33
Fair enough. I'm all for a sense of fairness and equality - but that's just me. Individuals asking £500 for a Garrard SP25 MK IV or £250 for a rusty carcass of a valve amp that has been found in a garden shed and only fit for the bin, just seems like opportunist greed, to me.

Earlier in the year I watched an item on BBC 1 looking at how people were coping in the aftermath of the banking collapse in the US. One aging female fashion designer had lost everything and was now living in a tent in a wood where a whole community was sprouting up with others in the same predicament. Others were living by the sides of highways. Some were living in the drainage area under a hotel intended for flash floods. A nurse had lost her job and couldn't pay the morgage and her and the three kids were living in their car. She could not see any way out of her plight and the desperation on her face was quite painful to watch. Luckilly, she was parked not far from a church and at some point later a total stranger saw their plight and took them in.

It's 2012 and this is how people are existing in a so-called christian and civilized (and rich) country.

Last month there was a series on poverty on BBC 4 In the USA there is now said to be 43 million classed as poor, and the gulf between the rich and poor is ever-widening growing exponentialally. But it's not simply the fact that the rich are getting rich, their moral base is said to be shifting. The elite rich are buying political power (nothing new I suppose) and with it goes tax cuts to the already rich with the less well-off paying for them. Any sort of measure to curtail their wealth amassment is seen as a threat, and has to be dealt with.

I found it quite depressing and just showed what greed leads to. Look at Apple. How much does an i-phone cost? Then look at the absolute (absolute) pittance they pay their Chinese workers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWsx1X8PV_A

MartinT
28-12-2012, 21:04
Spot on, Lawrence. Milton Friedman knows what he's talking about.

synsei
28-12-2012, 21:06
Fair enough. I'm all for a sense of fairness and equality - but that's just me. Individuals asking £500 for a Garrard SP25 MK IV or £250 for a rusty carcass of a valve amp that has been found in a garden shed and only fit for the bin, just seems like opportunist greed, to me.

Earlier in the year I watched an item on BBC 1 looking at how people were coping in the aftermath of the banking collapse in the US. One aging female fashion designer had lost everything and was now living in a tent in a wood where a whole community was sprouting up with others in the same predicament. Others were living by the sides of highways. Some were living in the drainage area under a hotel intended for flash floods. A nurse had lost her job and couldn't pay the morgage and her and the three kids were living in their car. She could not see any way out of her plight and the desperation on her face was quite painful to watch. Luckilly, she was parked not far from a church and at some point later a total stranger saw their plight and took them in.

It's 2012 and this is how people are existing in a so-called christian and civilized (and rich) country.

Last month there was a series on poverty on BBC 4 In the USA there is now said to be 43 million classed as poor, and the gulf between the rich and poor is ever-widening growing exponentialally. But it's not simply the fact that the rich are getting rich, their moral base is said to be shifting. The elite rich are buying political power (nothing new I suppose) and with it goes tax cuts to the already rich with the less well-off paying for them. Any sort of measure to curtail their wealth amassment is seen as a threat, and has to be dealt with.

I found it quite depressing and just showed what greed leads to. Look at Apple. How much does an i-phone cost? Then look at the absolute (absolute) pittance they pay their Chinese workers.

I can't see the relevance between ebay pricing and the amoral state of the financial sector but I generally agree with what you have written above Stephen.

What is sadly lacking in society today is a sense of empathy. Increasingly, when discussing everyday issues with people on the street and online, I come across more and more people who are only interested in 'Number One' and sleight those less fortunate than themselves. More often than not I want to punch their lights out but I realise it won't solve a sodding thing. Generally they have been brought up in a material world by parents who gave them whatever the hell they wanted and who told their little Tarquin that money is God. Until people start caring again then sadly this is the world we have to survive in...

losenotaminute
28-12-2012, 21:10
Spot on, Lawrence. Milton Friedman knows what he's talking about.

I totally agree, he an an intellectual powerhouse compared to everyone else - the Christopher Hitchens of economics.

Mr Kipling
28-12-2012, 21:43
Having used up my data allowance for this month I can't stream the link provided.

Simple greed is all I'm getting at.

losenotaminute
28-12-2012, 22:03
Having used up my data allowance for this month I can't stream the link provided.

Simple greed is all I'm getting at.

That's a shame because the videos is about the issue of greed. Pop it in your favourites for next month :)

Friedman points out the fundamental truth that greed is the human condition. Anyone who thinks that the people in Socialist states who make the decisions aren't driven by greed are deluding themselves. As Gordon Gekko famously said, "greed is good" when the system works, it defeats inefficiency and makes everyone better off. The caveat is that for the sytem to work, Government or Business shouldn't be able to make choices for individuals.

There's another Friedman video which explains this in more depth. Essentially there are 4 types of economic decision:
I make a choice for myself
I make a choice for someone else
Someone else makes a choice for me
Someone else makes a choice for another person


The best, most efficient system is the one that maximises the first option.

Lawrence

MartinT
28-12-2012, 22:30
What is sadly lacking in society today is a sense of empathy.

It was never there, Dave, in any age.

nat8808
29-12-2012, 00:53
Spot on, Lawrence. Milton Friedman knows what he's talking about.

He didn't really say much there though... he certainly led the audience well and was even getting the audience to side and laugh with him BEFORE making the point..

I don't know much about Milton Friedman but from the clip, it came accross as making simplistic 'common sense' points that people find to be obviously true and then using them to 'proove' a more complex point via a massive leap in logic.

Hopefully, in writing his thoughts are more intellectually set out!

nat8808
29-12-2012, 01:14
Here's a good clip of Friedman defending Ford's considered decision to NOT install a $13 part in a car that would have prevented the petrol tank from exploding and had been known to kill about 200 people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD0dmRJ0oWg

Sounds like he advocates economic principles over empathy... I wonder how much he would have valued those principles if he'd ever found himself screaming for help to save his own life.

UPDATE: I do however respect Steve Keen (an economic academic who's economic models predicted the current crisis) and if he puts down Friedman's work then I would go along with that..

http://peterschiffchannel.blogspot.co.uk/2009/11/economist-steve-keen-australian.html - is a 30 min video from a lecture.

nat8808
29-12-2012, 01:25
Personally I do not see anything morally wrong with buying and selling Hi-Fi equipment for profit and I find it baffling that some people seem to think it should be different from any other commodity.

That's fine if you are offering a service on top (refurbing etc) or even if you are buying at a below average price and selling at the high end of average - you're making something out of your ability to find under-priced items or getting lucky with auctions or being rewarded from taking risks on dodgy looking auctions that others stay away from, or bothering to pick up in person on collection only items. In any of those, you are changing the same from one that people don't want, to one that they do want (have confidence in etc).

That's not what I was talking about and I don't think Mr Kipling was either.

What I was talking about - and this applies to any other commodity or resource - is making something artificially scarce in order to then falsely convince people that they MUST spend loads in order to obtain that item. Or to artificially raise the price so that there is price propoganda through repetition (you only ever see the over-priced item and then 'learn' that it's value is the high one through repetition).

That is akin to someone placing a dam upstream of a river and telling the villagers downstream they must pay more for their now scarce water and have it delivered by tanker from the resevoir created behind the dam..

Maybe you feel that is just a 'free market' doing its job?

nat8808
29-12-2012, 01:37
In the end, the greed does actually harm the seller....

What happens is that they hang on to the item and refuse to sell at a more reasonable price, therefore it takes them a long while to realise any profit and have the original outlay tied up in the item in the meantime.

If they had a higher throughput of sales by lower pricing and therefore quicker realisation of profits and also re-invested those profits into new stock, they would multiply their profits over the long term via compound percentages.

I feel some sellers get hooked on the idea of larger profits on the one item which means they don't have to do so much work (buying and selling) and think only in the short term. It's an emotional response, perhaps greed, that makes them feel like they have done something special and achieved these great profits in their head. Then to face reality is too much, they can't let go of the idea of this high price ...

Note that when a high price is made on ebay for something, a load of sales of the same item will suddenly switch to Buy It Now at around that new high price.. they never sell. Then follows the auctions with high reserves and people saying 'it's worth xxx ' and then eventually they sell without reserve and they get the same average price just as before. Their eyes widened when they saw the freak high price and got greedy - they just wasted their time and tied up their money for longer, sometimes for months with particular sellers (most annoying when you offer them the average price, they refuse, and months later you find you miss their final listing ending at a lower price than you offered..).

synsei
29-12-2012, 01:39
May I suggest that this discussion be moved to its own thread as it has far outgrown the post that seeded it?

nat8808
29-12-2012, 03:58
You can suggest.....

I'd rather stick to things on eBay and agree to differ.

nat8808
29-12-2012, 04:08
9hs left but heres a well price little system:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ruark-speakers-with-Quad-compact-player-/330846848211

My brief research and adding up makes this about a £650 - £700 system for £500 assuming no-one else bids.

BTH K10A
29-12-2012, 09:31
Nice Ortofon mono cartridge

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/370721617359?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

The seller seems to pick up a fairly eclectic mix of items from France judging from some of the other items he's listing

Macca
29-12-2012, 11:28
That's fine if you are offering a service on top (refurbing etc) or even if you are buying at a below average price and selling at the high end of average - you're making something out of your ability to find under-priced items or getting lucky with auctions or being rewarded from taking risks on dodgy looking auctions that others stay away from, or bothering to pick up in person on collection only items. In any of those, you are changing the same from one that people don't want, to one that they do want (have confidence in etc).

That's not what I was talking about and I don't think Mr Kipling was either.

What I was talking about - and this applies to any other commodity or resource - is making something artificially scarce in order to then falsely convince people that they MUST spend loads in order to obtain that item. Or to artificially raise the price so that there is price propoganda through repetition (you only ever see the over-priced item and then 'learn' that it's value is the high one through repetition).

That is akin to someone placing a dam upstream of a river and telling the villagers downstream they must pay more for their now scarce water and have it delivered by tanker from the resevoir created behind the dam..

Maybe you feel that is just a 'free market' doing its job?

I just have to respond to this so sorry all -

Nat you are confusing greed with stupidity. I could put my house up for sale for £100K if I wanted to. I'd never sell it at that price but it is my right to ask that price if I want to. If someone comes along and buys it at that price despite being able to get a similar one for half that amount then more fool them. That one sale will not drive up the price of the other similar houses one jot.

Your dam analogy is essentlally either hoarding or creating a monopoly - two processes that most free markets legislate against, as they make markets less free - not more free. The idea that a free market economy means a complete free-for all is a nonsense expounded by people who do not have a grasp of economic theory or have a more sinister agenda.

Okay - as you were...

MartinT
29-12-2012, 11:44
Ok chaps - and I know I've been part of this too - let's keep this thread for eBay now and by all means start another thread on the free market if anyone feels so inclined.

Mr Kipling
29-12-2012, 13:14
Thanks Lawrence. I won't get to see the video until Monday.

I was going to respond, but people are getting bored. I will just say that I discovered eBay 2 1/2 years ago and when I saw the prices that some items were priced at I was somewhat STAGGERED. If a vintage item now has a value of £x, fair enough. What aggravates (me) are the instances of what I can only describe as blatant opportunist greed. Others see it otherwise. Fair enough.

Jonboy
30-12-2012, 18:50
Nice amp but at a price and you have still got to find another.

Dynatron (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Stunning-Dynatron-KT66-Valve-Tube-Amplifier-Leak-12-1-Radford-Quad-BBC-V-Rare-/181048875586?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Amplifiers&hash=item2a275a9a42)

Jonboy
30-12-2012, 18:53
And another but this time a pair

RCA KT66's (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Pair-of-Vintage-RCA-20-Watt-KT66-Valve-Amplifiers-Superb-/290835748050?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_Other&hash=item43b72954d2)

BTH K10A
30-12-2012, 19:45
Nice amp but at a price and you have still got to find another.

Dynatron (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Stunning-Dynatron-KT66-Valve-Tube-Amplifier-Leak-12-1-Radford-Quad-BBC-V-Rare-/181048875586?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Amplifiers&hash=item2a275a9a42)

Here's the other one Jon

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dynatron-Radio-COLLECTION-ONLY-/251204911783?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_Other&hash=item3a7cfac2a7

£3k for a pair is on par with Leak TL12.1's though

walpurgis
30-12-2012, 19:47
A Goldring G800, half an hour to go and the bidding's up to £46!

You'd have to f***ing nuts to pay more than a fiver. They just aren't very good, I've owned loads of them and would sooner have a Shure 75 series MM and even they aren't particularly brilliant either.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Goldring-G800-Phono-Cartridge-/140894161497?pt=Turntable_Parts_Accessories&hash=item20cdf24a59

Beechwoods
30-12-2012, 19:49
Nice amp but at a price and you have still got to find another.
Dynatron (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Stunning-Dynatron-KT66-Valve-Tube-Amplifier-Leak-12-1-Radford-Quad-BBC-V-Rare-/181048875586?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiF i_Amplifiers&hash=item2a275a9a42)

Hmm, it describes it as stunning, yet states that 'due the age of this type of equipment it's being. "Sold as seen with no refunds or returns"'.

£1500 for what could be DOA? Are the bits worth that much?

Marco
30-12-2012, 20:21
A Goldring G800, half an hour to go and the bidding's up to £46!

You'd have to f***ing nuts to pay more than a fiver. They just aren't very good

Sorry, Geoff, I completely disagree! Maybe you were using it on the wrong arm and with a phono stage that didn't sufficiently optimise its strengths? Do you think I'd entertain using one in a system like mine if it weren't any good? ;)

Get Dom, from NWA, to re-tip a G800 and/or fit a high-quality cantilever, and you've got a high-end audiophile bargain, which is much better than ANY Shure, save perhaps an M3D, unless you prefer the rather soulless and 'toppy' sound of most modern MM cartridges! :)

Marco.

The Black Adder
30-12-2012, 21:21
A Goldring G800, half an hour to go and the bidding's up to £46!

You'd have to f***ing nuts to pay more than a fiver. They just aren't very good, I've owned loads of them and would sooner have a Shure 75 series MM and even they aren't particularly brilliant either.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Goldring-G800-Phono-Cartridge-/140894161497?pt=Turntable_Parts_Accessories&hash=item20cdf24a59

Sorry mate... Well wrong there... as Marco said, with a re-tip ...These carts ROCK.

£46...! Looks like the prices are nudging up on these

Rare Bird
30-12-2012, 21:22
Hi Joe
I don't wanna be negative against yourself & Marco but i totally don't like these cartridges..

southall-1998
30-12-2012, 21:23
Sorry, Geoff, I completely disagree! Maybe you were using it on the wrong arm and with a phono stage that didn't sufficiently optimise its strengths? Do you think I'd entertain using one in a system like mine if it weren't any good? ;)

Get Dom, from NWA, to re-tip a G800 and/or fit a high-quality cantilever, and you've got a high-end audiophile bargain, which is much better than ANY Shure, save perhaps an M3D, unless you prefer the rather soulless and 'toppy' sound of most modern MM cartridges! :)

Marco.

Nice cartridge!!

The Black Adder
30-12-2012, 21:25
Hi Joe
I don't wanna be negative against yourself & Marco but i totally don't like these cartridges..

That's ok mate... each to their own n all that. :eyebrows: But with a new stylus they really do sound great... A bargain.

Marco
30-12-2012, 21:30
Hi Joe
I don't wanna be negative against yourself & Marco but i totally don't like these cartridges..

But, dude, you haven't heard one with a re-tip and/or a better cantilever. Or do you mean instead: "I totally don't like these cartridges in stock form"? ;)

If so, I have no problem with that. Suitably modified, however, they are a different animal..............

Marco.

walpurgis
30-12-2012, 21:31
Sorry, Geoff, I completely disagree! Maybe you were using it on the wrong arm and with a phono stage that didn't sufficiently optimise its strengths? Do you think I'd entertain using one in a system like mine if it weren't any good? ;) Marco.

Well Marco, I used one recently and still wasn't impressed, my impression is that the sound is lacking detail and is a bit weak in character, lacking weight. I've tried them in various setups and it makes little difference. They were standard fare back in the days of the dreaded Garrard SP25 Mk.III and were regarded as little better than the G850, mind you, if you were really skint you bought the M3D, which was about a fiver in the seventies. If you had a better TT you generally aimed for a Shure M75E.

The G800 Super E was much better than the base G800 though, the elliptical tip certainly helped.

Back in those days I found ADC to easily outclass any non MC cartridge apart from Deccas. I still have my ADCs, they're getting harder to come across and sound amazing (ask Andr'e).

Marco
30-12-2012, 21:39
Well Marco, I used one recently and still wasn't impressed, my impression is that the sound is lacking detail and is a bit weak in character, lacking weight.


Lol... Well it sounds NOTHING like that in my system (almost the complete opposite), so what does that tell you...? ;)

If I'd heard it sound as you've described, it'd have put it in the bin, rather than on the end of my £2100 Ortofon tonearm!! :eyebrows:


The G800 Super E was much better than the base G800 though, the elliptical tip certainly helped.


Indeed, so what do you think happens when you re-tip a stock G800 with something better than an elliptical stylus, as someone like Dom can do very easily, and/or fit it with a superior cantilever? Answer: you end up with a cartridge that outperforms almost ANY moving-magnet design made today, and most probably at less cost. Honestly, Geoff, I know what I'm talking about here! :trust:

The G800 is rather like the venerable DL-103: a brilliant cartridge hampered by a mediocre stylus (and in the case of the 103, also a crap body-shell).

Marco.

walpurgis
30-12-2012, 21:45
Makes you wonder what an ADC 10E Mk.IV would sound like with a Boron cantilever and fine line tip.

Marco
30-12-2012, 21:49
PRECISELY... It's called combining the BEST of old and new technologies, in order to get the BEST of both worlds! My entire system has been (very successfully) built around that concept!! ;)

Marco.

BTH K10A
30-12-2012, 21:59
Hmm, it describes it as stunning, yet states that 'due the age of this type of equipment it's being. "Sold as seen with no refunds or returns"'.

£1500 for what could be DOA? Are the bits worth that much?

The transformers and choke alone probably are as they are very high quality and are built like battleships, unlike those found in quads and leaks ;)

The Black Adder
30-12-2012, 22:17
Well Marco, I used one recently and still wasn't impressed, my impression is that the sound is lacking detail and is a bit weak in character, lacking weight. I've tried them in various setups and it makes little difference. They were standard fare back in the days of the dreaded Garrard SP25 Mk.III and were regarded as little better than the G850, mind you, if you were really skint you bought the M3D, which was about a fiver in the seventies. If you had a better TT you generally aimed for a Shure M75E.

The G800 Super E was much better than the base G800 though, the elliptical tip certainly helped.

Back in those days I found ADC to easily outclass any non MC cartridge apart from Deccas. I still have my ADCs, they're getting harder to come across and sound amazing (ask Andr'e).

Hm... Well we have different systems but I have to say that I don't like anything that lacks weight and detail as it's those characteristics that gives presence and clout so maybe you didn't set it up correctly maybe?

Rare Bird
30-12-2012, 22:19
PRECISELY... It's called combining the BEST of old and new technologies, in order to get the BEST of both worlds! My entire system has been (very successfully) built around that concept!! ;)

Marco.

I fully understand what your saying Marco. However i would'nt spend money modding a 'G800' styli when the '900IGC' sounds tons better to my ears in standard form..

You see i refuse to pump money into cartridges when the styli packs up (cos im poor see :eyebrows: ), it's cheaper & easier to buy a sandard styli, so you can fully understand the better in standard form is important.. Since the ADC is the best MM cart ive ever heard, it makes perfect sence for me to stick with it for both the SQ & cheapness to run, that reminds me i need to stock a few Styli for it..

Rare Bird
30-12-2012, 22:58
Ah well i thought i'd won a mint issue of Floyd's 'Atom Heart Mother' tonight, bid £22.00 but got blasted out the water with £72.00 :eek: hence not a bargin,on that note why did i mention it :lol:

Marco
30-12-2012, 23:01
I fully understand what your saying Marco. However i would'nt spend money modding a 'G800' styli when the '900IGC' sounds tons better to my ears in standard form..

You see i refuse to pump money into cartridges when the styli packs up (cos im poor see :eyebrows: ), it's cheaper & easier to buy a sandard styli, so you can fully understand the better in standard form is important.. Since the ADC is the best MM cart ive ever heard, it makes perfect sence for me to stick with it for both the SQ & cheapness to run, that reminds me i need to stock a few Styli for it..

No argument there, dude! :)

I just love unearthing (and then promoting) vintage 'giant-killers', which when suitably modded, 'get it right up' today's overpriced, so-called, 'high-end' bollarkz.... ;)

Marco.

Jonboy
31-12-2012, 00:34
The transformers and choke alone probably are as they are very high quality and are built like battleships, unlike those found in quads and leaks ;)

That's what i have been told the Leak trannies arn' t the best once they go go pop you ain't going to find another, the asking price it's always a gamble on something this old, and are you getting 3 grands worth of sound for a pair that's very debatable as we well know

Roy S
01-01-2013, 23:36
Got a pair of Wharfedale Diamond 7.2s for £8.50! (tinsel was extra) they've replaced the Mission 761s in the Dining room system

http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss68/Lodger56/diamond72.jpg

MartinT
02-01-2013, 06:15
An excellent find, Roy!

Jonboy
02-01-2013, 17:51
was this a bargain ?

Ortofon arm (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261146657150?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649)

Barry
02-01-2013, 17:55
was this a bargain ?

Ortofon arm (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261146657150?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649)

No - £200 would have been a more realistic price.

Barry
02-01-2013, 18:12
Well thought I'd take a punt. Never thought I'd win but I did!

Just have to go and fetch them now...

Nice on Ali!

Lived with a pair for about 6 months, some forty years ago. Not the most neutral of speakers, but excellent attack and dynamics.

The speakers had a high sensitivity, so only a few watts were needed. Used with Quad II amps and a Sugden A21.

Ali Tait
02-01-2013, 18:28
Yes, a good price indeed. Have managed to persuade him to take the drivers out and post them to me. Saves the long drive.

Might try another OB if I can find a bass helper that will match for a sane price.