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stupinder
21-03-2014, 17:54
Cranage Hall Audio Show 2014 - June 15th 2014 FREE ENTRY!!!
Welcome to the UK’s Newest Hifi Show Cranage Hall Audio Show 2014
Cranage Hall Audio Show 2014 promises to be a fantastic day out for all audiophiles and those who just love great music reproduced at its very best.
All the exhibitors at Cranage Hall Audio Show have worked very hard to prepare for the show and to offer visitors a truly audiophile experience. They are bringing together carefully selected components to guarantee great sounds and the Hifi Pig team will be working equally hard to ensure that there’s a great buzz around the event before, during and after.
Cranage Hall is located just two miles from the M6 motorway on the A50 between Holmes Chapel and Knutsford in the heart of Cheshire’s countryside and as such offers the perfect location for those in the North of England who wish to attend a high-end hi-fi show, but don’t want the hassle of travelling South.
As well as more established brands there will also be new companies exhibiting at the Cranage Hall Audio Show 2014 - some of them for the first time in UK.
Best of all the show is FREE for people wishing to attend and so make sure to make a date in your diary for Sunday June 15th and join in what promises to be an exceptional day of music and high-end, hi-fidelity equipment.
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And the "best" thing about the show besides the free entry............................................. .
MCRU will be there :)
Audioman
22-03-2014, 10:58
Stu. Who is organising the show and is there a dedicated web site?
Paul.
That's within striking distance for me so I will be making an effort to attend. I have never been to a commercial show.
If we're not away on holiday then, I'll defo go to this show, as the venue is only about 35 mins away. Martin, if you can get a train to Chester station (or any other station en-route to the venue), I could pick you up and take you to Cranage Hall, then run you back to the station afterwards.
Just a thought, dude! :cool:
Marco.
If we're not away on holiday then, I'll defo go to this show, as the venue is only about 35 mins away. Martin, if you can get a train to Chester station (or any other station en-route to the venue), I could pick you up and take you to Cranage Hall, then run you back to the station afterwards.
Just a thought, dude! :cool:
Marco.
Thanks Marco. Plan is to get a taxi there and back but your suggestion will be a bit cheaper :) Either way we will have to sort out a meet-up if we both go.
Defo! In terms of trains, check out the routes from your gaff to Chester station (or any other station en-route to the venue) and, nearer the time of the show, let me know where and when you'd like picked up :)
Marco.
My sister lives in Chester, how convenient :).
stupinder
22-03-2014, 19:55
Hi guys, Yes sorry I failed miserably to pop the link up but here it is. I'll be popping news items up regularly on the pig too
http://www.audioshow.co.uk/#nav-header
My sister lives in Chester, how convenient :).
Sounds like it's got the makings of a good AoS get together :cool:
Marco.
Well, I've registered for 4 tickets. My mum lives about 10 minutes from Knutsford :).
Excellent... Then you have no excuse not to visit me next time you're down seeing your mum (or your sister)! ;)
Marco.
Excellent... Then you have no excuse not to visit me next time you're down seeing your mum (or your sister)! ;)
Marco.
Why would he want to do that dafteee? :lol:
Last time I went to Wrexham it was closed :ner:
The Grand Wazoo
22-03-2014, 21:32
Sounds like it's got the makings of a good AoS get together
I expect to be going too.
Why would he want to do that dafteee?
Last time I went to Wrexham it was closed :ner:
Lol - was that in 1997, the last time your wife let you out?? :lol: :D
Marco.
I expect to be going too.
WOW - the Waz gets his ass at last to a hi-fi show!! Nice one, Chris :cool:
Marco.
The Grand Wazoo
22-03-2014, 21:48
WOW - the Waz gets his ass at last to a hi-fi show!!
Absolutely. In fact, I haven't been to one since the last one I went to!
Did that occur at some point during this century? ;)
Marco.
The Grand Wazoo
22-03-2014, 22:14
Yes and there were witnesses.
One of them was a bloke called Marco, who bought me a pint!
Lol... Which one was it again, as most of the shows I've been to recently have been marked by your absence!
Marco.
The Grand Wazoo
22-03-2014, 22:35
It was a while ago now Marco and I'm not sure which, but it was in Manchester - may have been the Radisson or the other smaller show in town. Chris Matstrangler was there too. You bought yourself a copy of Sinatra at the Sands, I remember.
Excellent... Then you have no excuse not to visit me next time you're down seeing your mum (or your sister)! ;)
Marco.
But you aren't that near are you? The last time I checked the route finder said it was a three and a half hour drive to yours!
Aye, from Sheffield, maybe! Although I don't think it took me that long to get to your place last time....
From Chester (town centre) its about 35 mins, and Knutsford about 50 mins, so next time you're visiting your mum or sister, let me know and we can meet up :cool:
Marco.
It was a while ago now Marco and I'm not sure which, but it was in Manchester - may have been the Radisson or the other smaller show in town. Chris Matstrangler was there too. You bought yourself a copy of Sinatra at the Sands, I remember.
Yeah, that's right, but that was AGES ago. I don't think you've been to the likes of Scalford or Whittlebury yet, have you? Scalford is something you must sort out at some point, dude, as you're missing out there :)
Marco.
Other brands that will be attending the show.
Audiophile Base, Astin Trew, Belles, Brodmann Acoustics, Creaktiv, Oracle Audio,Renaissance Amplification, Sonneteer Electronics, Scherer Speakers, SSC and TAD
Other brands that will be attending the show.
Audiophile Base, Astin Trew, Belles, Brodmann Acoustics, Creaktiv, Oracle Audio,Renaissance Amplification, Sonneteer Electronics, Scherer Speakers, SSC and TAD
Tony you naughty man, you have not put ALL the brands attending have you?
stupinder
25-03-2014, 17:36
Other brands that will be attending the show.
Audiophile Base, Astin Trew, Belles, Brodmann Acoustics, Creaktiv, Oracle Audio,Renaissance Amplification, Sonneteer Electronics, Scherer Speakers, SSC and TAD
I absolutely adored these when Thomas Scherer drove up to see us. Well worth going to the show just to hear and see these beautiful speakers. Linette (Mrs Stu) was devastated when they left! Heard the Brodmanns a couple of times at shows and they really play music beautifully in a totally non-hifi kind of way.
Dave
I bow to your superior ability in this area how could I compete with the master of internet saturation, I doff my hat sir :youtheman:
There will be quite a few dealers using those brands at the event just merely supporting those good businesses.
Quite sure more brands will follow as well Dave.
The hotel is fine venue, very close to the M6, rooms are a decent size and nice sounding too.
With free admission visitors can look forward to spending their money with your good-self and the many, many items you have for sale on your stand Dave.
As for myself I just push the play button :)
Dave
I bow to your superior ability in this area how could I compete with the master of internet saturation, I doff my hat sir :youtheman:
There will be quite a few dealers using those brands at the event just merely supporting those good businesses.
Quite sure more brands will follow as well Dave.
The hotel is fine venue, very close to the M6, rooms are a decent size and nice sounding too.
With free admission visitors can look forward to spending their money with your good-self and the many, many items you have for sale on your stand Dave.
As for myself I just push the play button :)
I too push play dude, the room I booked is big enough for a nice system playing and a few bits and bobs at the back for people to buy, internet saturation indeed, I am nowhere near "Master" level yet.
stupinder
27-03-2014, 12:22
The organisers of this event have just contacted me to tell me that they've managed to secure a preferential rate for rooms after (or before ) the Cranage Hall Audio Show. Promo Code for room online booking is "AUDIO" this is for exhibitors and visitors. £90 BB.
... internet saturation indeed, I am nowhere near "Master" level yet.
You're the master of underpant saturation, though! :lol: :D
Marco.
stupinder
09-04-2014, 14:10
Just pinging this to the top as a shameless plug!
You're the master of underpant saturation, though! :lol: :D
Marco.
Yes when I first heard the Furukawa cable I nearly shat myself so you are nearly right chief :lol:
stupinder
04-06-2014, 15:52
Just wanted to bump this thread. Anyone else going to this show in the NW http://www.audioshow.co.uk/
Can't wait for it myself and really looking forward to hearing a few things i've not had the opportunity to yet.
Also nice to see a hifi show that has the sense to condense itself into one day and is outside the South of England.
Big Vern
04-06-2014, 16:15
Will defo be there...it's about 15 minutes drive for me...some really good looking brands in attendance :cool:
stupinder
05-06-2014, 10:56
Will defo be there...it's about 15 minutes drive for me...some really good looking brands in attendance :cool:
Make sure you say hello. You'll know who we are when you spot us!
I'm still intending to go along.
New brand addition for next week show quadral speakers.
http://www.nunudistribution.co.uk/products_quadral.php
Also the new Belles VT-01 MK II valve hybrid pre amplifier will be on display plus the superb new Astin Trew Concord dac MK II.
stupinder
05-06-2014, 14:01
I'm still intending to go along.
You say hi too. We've a gig to organise!
You say hi too. We've a gig to organise!
Yes, I'll find you don't worry ;)
I might try and swing along, too. It'd be daft not to, as the venue is pretty local to me... AoS meet-up in the bar, chaps? I'm buying, of course! :cool:
Marco.
Hi Marco
Best get the hairy ass of yours along and say hello we will be hosting four rooms so by my count that's about 8 pints your in for already so get there early and say hello
Yo, the Tonester!
Sounds like a plan, my man :barrel:
Marco.
stupinder
06-06-2014, 06:46
Really looking forward to this one. Bit of a hike but I reckon it will be well worth it.
S
Here are a few of the exhibitors that will be at Cranage next weekend
Baird 2 Doug Brady Hifi
I believe they will be demonstrating, Brodmann Acoustics, Harbeth speakers, Renaissance Amplification, Rega TT's, Sonneteer Audio plus others
Stephenson 4 The Audio works
Astin Trew AT2000+ integrated amplifier, AT3500+ IC CD player, Concord dac generation II
Along with speakers from Focal and Tannoy
Stephenson 1 Brodmann Acoustics
They will be exhibiting JB155, VC7's, VC2's. Along with the Festival series FS stand mount, F1 and F2 speakers.
Electronics will be TAD D600, Belles VT-01 MK II valve hybrid pre amplifier, MB200 mono-blocks
Equipment supports and isolation by Audiophile Base
Stephenson 2 Quadral speakers and Sonneteer electronics and Oracle Audio
Quadral Aurum Montan MK VIII, M50 Platinum, Chromium 32's, Argentum 70's, Rondo Active plus special guests
Sonneteer new Orton MK IV, Alabaster, Byron CD Player and the superb Sedley phono stage
Oracle Audio Paris MK V turntable
Equipment supports by Creaktiv
Stephenson 3 Technical Audio devices (TAD)
TAD will be exhibiting the Compact reference one (CR-1) speakers, the new DA1000 dac/pre amplifier, the C2000 pre / dac, the C600 reference pre amplifier and the superb M2500 power amplifier.
Equipment and amplifier supports by Creaktiv
Myself and a couple of friends will be going :).
How many rooms are there?
And are these floor plans that the website says are coming soon ever going to materialise
And are these floor plans that the website says are coming soon ever going to materialise
What - are you planning to rob the joint? Drop in from the skylight on wires and nick an amp or two. If so I'm in. I can probably get the blueprints of the sewer layout if you give me an hour or two. You be George Clooney, I'm Brad Pitt.
Are you going, Martin? If so, it would be good to meet up :)
Marco.
Yes I am intending to go. It is free entry on the day isn't it?
Lol - yes, ya skinflint! :eyebrows:
Marco.
The Grand Wazoo
07-06-2014, 20:00
I've lost track of who's going and who's not. How about if I add a poll and allow the voters to be viewed? - it's all in one place then.
Are you going, daftee? 'Taint dat far either from your manor..... ;)
Marco.
The Grand Wazoo
07-06-2014, 20:15
http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?31524-Cranage-Hall-Audio-Show&p=535801#post535801
The Grand Wazoo
07-06-2014, 20:16
....and check out the sexy new poll!
Excellent in both cases! :thumbsup:
Marco.
stupinder
09-06-2014, 16:21
Looks like this should be a really good turn out. Can't wait to be in the North of England again for a day or so.
Dave has very kindly sent me the show floor plans (thank you) and myself and two (could well be three) others are certainly going - looking forward to it :).
Stratmangler
09-06-2014, 17:09
I ain't voting on nothing!
I want an abstention option!
Other than that I'll see you on Sunday, chaps.
Oooh... Lots of daftees going - excellent! We should have some badges made: 'Say hello, I'm an AoS daftee' :eyebrows:
Marco.
stupinder
10-06-2014, 17:01
Oooh... Lots of daftees going - excellent! We should have some badges made: 'Say hello, I'm an AoS daftee' :eyebrows:
Marco.
I'd like to distance myself from that (twitch twitch emoticon) comment please :-)
Really looking forward to this and putting some heads to names! Looks like lots of tickets have been booked!
Don't forget to say hi to me or the bird with the poppy red hair!!!!
Stu
There's a chance I might be able to attend on my way back from Conwy.
Nice one, Barry. That would be good! :thumbsup:
Marco.
I'll be there and hope to meet some of you.
Blast! only 45 mins away I would have loved to go, but being fathers day I am somewhat obliged to do what son and daughter have planned. If I slip out of the party will I be missed? Mmmmm.
mad-moon
13-06-2014, 17:55
Go on then...I suppose I'll have a ride down..in the back of Tommy's car (weetam)..He's a bloody good bloke
Argh on Father's Day?! I have someone from the Wam coming to pick up his speakers on the Sunday, alas I think my 6yr old has some plans. :P
When do the doors open for business, as it were? Also, what time are most AoS-ers planning to arrive? :)
Marco.
Stratmangler
14-06-2014, 10:26
When do the doors open for business, as it were? Also, what time are most AoS-ers planning to arrive? :)
Marco.
Depends on the beer consumption tonight - there's the minor consideration of a footie match over in Brazil :eyebrows:
In terms of the latter, indeed...although that won't stop me from going to the show. Any predictions for the game, or shall we keep that for the World Cup thread? :eyebrows:
Marco.
Stratmangler
14-06-2014, 10:35
Any predictions for the game, or shall we keep that for the World Cup thread? :eyebrows:
Marco.
I agree with Darren's (Kinnigan) prediction in the World Cup thread :)
The Grand Wazoo
14-06-2014, 11:47
The show starts at 10am and doors shut at 7pm.
stupinder
14-06-2014, 13:23
Well, finally in the UK after a somewhat convoluted passage!
Just back from the show. Unfortunately, Martin, I missed you (TGW, Stu and everyone else). We should've arranged to meet up at a certain time in the bar, rather than just 'expecting' to bump into each other... :doh:
However, it was nice to see Chris (Strat), David, Nick, Tony, Guy, Mark and some others :)
There were some interesting rooms with more than decent sounds being made, which I'll comment on later.
Marco.
I didn't make it regrettably, but it couldn't be helped. Looking forward to hearing some reports, though.
That's a pity. What happened, then? You seemed pretty keen to go :)
Marco.
I had a late drink with some friends after the footie so I wasn't up and about until 1030. Then it transpired we werr supposed to have tickets to get in. By the time I found out that wasn't the case it had got a bit late in the afternoon.
Lol - no worries... I think that the tickets were just to try and gauge how many people had attended. I brought my ticket, but was simply asked to place it into a bucket (full of many other tickets). Having one was not a prerequisite for entry to the show :)
Marco.
Yeah, just this minute got back and had a jolly nice time - good venue too. The quality of sound was surprisingly good for a show - no room boom.
Was nice to see Marco, Tony, Guy, Dave etc.
stupinder
16-06-2014, 07:04
Managed to miss everyone....needless to say we were in the bar at noon! :-)
stupinder
16-06-2014, 07:09
Proud Dad moment.....youngest son Harry bought his first vinyl! Daft Punk. When asked how he was going to play it he answered...I'll use yours...
Expect to see post on here for a budget phono stage as he'll no doubt end up with techy!
Lol - nice one, Stu. Sorry I missed you yesterday, but no doubt we'll meet up at some point, perhaps even in France! :)
Marco.
Whoever organised this show deserves a hearty 'well done'. The SatNav found the address easily and parking was also easy - in fact the whole thing was exceedingly profesional - the rooms sounded good too. I can't remember when I last attended a free (free entry and free parking) audio show - bloody well done!
+1 (with bells on)
:exactly:
Marco.
Martinblueboy
16-06-2014, 18:08
Whoever organised this show deserves a hearty 'well done'. The SatNav found the address easily and parking was also easy - in fact the whole thing was exceedingly profesional - the rooms sounded good too. I can't remember when I last attended a free (free entry and free parking) audio show - bloody well done!
Me too. It's the first hifi show that I've attended. It seemed remarkably well organised. Some great equipment on display and a really nice friendly atmosphere. The most startling thing that I heard was the Audio Note system; I've never heard anything like it. I also enjoyed the Electrocompaniet and Elac system too. I believe having talked to one of the exhibitors that it's going to be run again next year. I do hope so. Well done to all concerned.
Yes, I was told that the hotel had already been booked for next year.
The Elac speakers (system) was also the favourite of the two friends that attended with me (I also liked it but it lacked a bit of scale for me). Very nice chap doing the demo and played a really good range of music.
Audionote always do a very similar demo and always achieve a good to excellent sound and always a good selection of different music. This demo was one of their better ones (that I have heard recently) - vastly more dynamic than the rather 'flaccid' Linn demo that was taking place down the corridor.
Whoever organised this show deserves a hearty 'well done'. The SatNav found the address easily and parking was also easy - in fact the whole thing was exceedingly profesional - the rooms sounded good too. I can't remember when I last attended a free (free entry and free parking) audio show - bloody well done!
Indeed,very well organised.
Stratmangler
16-06-2014, 20:46
Yes, I was told that the hotel had already been booked for next year.
The Elac speakers (system) was also the favourite of the two friends that attended with me (I also liked it but it lacked a bit of scale for me). Very nice chap doing the demo and played a really good range of music.
Audionote always do a very similar demo and always achieve a good to excellent sound and always a good selection of different music. This demo was one of their better ones (that I have heard recently) - vastly more dynamic than the rather 'flaccid' Linn demo that was taking place down the corridor.
I didn't bother with the Audionote room - last time I went into one of their demos I left quickly.
With regard to the Linn demo - my smartphone with crappy earbuds is infinitely more pleasureable to listen to.
I went into all of the rooms at least once and most of them twice.
It would be nice if the National Audio Show could adopt this venue. It's closer to the centre of the country and the rooms sound significantly better.
Stratmangler
16-06-2014, 21:03
I went into all of the rooms at least once and most of them twice.
It would be nice if the National Audio Show could adopt this venue. It's closer to the centre of the country and the rooms sound significantly better.
I wholeheartedly agree that the sound in the rooms was generally of a higher standard that I've heard at Whittlebury.
KC Jones
16-06-2014, 22:15
I went to the show too as it's only 40 mins up road. The rooms were a good size compared to other shows or maybe because there were not too many demo's, they had the choice of the better rooms?
I normally enjoy an 'Audio note room' but as said above, this time it didn't sound as good as it normally does. Maybe it needed a larger room?
Anyhow my fave was the 'Art Loudspeakers' room. A great sound, right up my alley; Systemdeck, AO PU arm I think, massive macintosh power thingy and superb Art speakers (Seas and alnico tweets) Anyway it impressed the pants off me. Very helful chaps in that room, I learned a couple of things and nearly bought an Acromat.
Would just like to say a big thank you to all those that dropped into the NuNu rooms and said hello.
We did take close to six tonnes of equipment and displays, so feeling a little tired now.
I did drop a small ball, very early in the show just before doors opened, one of the mains sockets on the wall went pete tong, so the hotel sparky came out and fixed the issue in record time (decent chap), though I did forget to switch of the server, when it rebooted it reverted to my pre show set up, so some of the early tracks went a bit awol due to not resting the latency buffer.
Very busy weekend, a lot of new visitors and a nice venue to boot plus no need for a GPS device to find your way around (ala' Whittlebury).
Good to see a broad selection of quality brands and everyone is a positive and happy mood.
Marco stayed for a wee while as well.
Stand out for me John Howes room, Audio note because they can make music, Dave @ MCRUS bring an entire shop along is no easy task.
Just putting the last of the equipment away now.
Thanks to all the people that dropped by and listened even it it wasn't for them everyone was enjoying themselves.
Well what a fantastic show !
Decided late the previous week to make the 600 mile round trip up north from deepest Kent,glad I made the effort !
Having been to all the UK shows this year this was despite the drive by far the best venue,a lovely hotel easy and plentiful parking,staff who really were helpful and genuinely eager to please,very reasonable priced refreshments in the main hall
all in all just a really chilled vibe about the place.
First up, Purite North room,a great start to the day walked into the room; sat down and saw the unmistakable head of Dean bopping away to some of his dubb step vinyl,man that bloke has some great music! The project turntable Pure sound electronics and floor standing AE speakers all jelled to make a great room, sound filling the room nicely. Really enjoyed the Audio Note room the usual superb sound
Maggies room again the 1.7s sounding superb; really open sound. Close your eyes and the speakers disappeared great value too.
Onto the standout kit ad systems
For me the John Howes room was an absolute revelation, single field coil driver being driven by a beautiful sounding 1.3w triode amplifier and a vintage real to real front end, sounded truly stunning a massive thumbs up!
On to the stand out system of the day! Cards on the table, I make no secret of the fact that I am a huge fan of the TAD CR1 Compact loudspeaker and the associated TAD electronics and once again NuNu distributions statement system didn't disappoint!
Stunning dynamics; fantastic depth and sound stage,amazing detail,fast tight bass and Sublime treble this system has it all.Despite concert level volume at times the TADs sounded completely in control,never once sounding in the least strained
I'm not a fan of high SPLs but still sat in the room maybe two to three hours listening to just about every type of music and genre and completely enjoyed every track played. For me the TAD CR1 is without any shadow of a doubt the best sounding stand mounted speaker in the world.
I did note however a fair amount of people who just poked their heads in the door without even bothering to listen and then walking away! I can only assume it's because the system as a whole looked fairly unassuming in such a large room,with no fancy boxes or bling just a simply awesome sounding system bravo! Look forward to visiting the next show at the same venue next year ?
navigator
19-06-2014, 12:26
Well what a fantastic show !
Decided late the previous week to make the 600 mile round trip up north from deepest Kent,glad I made the effort !
Having been to all the UK shows this year this was despite the drive by far the best venue,a lovely hotel easy and plentiful parking,staff who really were helpful and genuinely eager to please,very reasonable priced refreshments in the main hall
all in all just a really chilled vibe about the place.
First up, Purite North room,a great start to the day walked into the room; sat down and saw the unmistakable head of Dean bopping away to some of his dubb step vinyl,man that bloke has some great music! The project turntable Pure sound electronics and floor standing AE speakers all jelled to make a great room, sound filling the room nicely. Really enjoyed the Audio Note room the usual superb sound
Maggies room again the 1.7s sounding superb; really open sound. Close your eyes and the speakers disappeared great value too.
Onto the standout kit ad systems
For me the John Howes room was an absolute revelation, single field coil driver being driven by a beautiful sounding 1.3w triode amplifier and a vintage real to real front end, sounded truly stunning a massive thumbs up!
On to the stand out system of the day! Cards on the table, I make no secret of the fact that I am a huge fan of the TAD CR1 Com
Stunning dynamics; fantastic depth and sound stage,amazing detail,fast tight bass and Sublime treble this system has it Despite concert level volume at times the TADs sounded completely in control,never once sounding in the least strained
I did note however a fair amount of people who just poked their heads in the door without even bothering to listen and then walking away! I can only assume it's because the system as a whole looked fairly unassuming in such a large room,with no fancy boxes or bling just a simply awesome sounding system bravo! Look forward to visiting the next show at the same venue next year ?
Oh YES Totally agree The TAD sound suited my aged ears too .
Many thought it too bright and in ur face but that's the live concert type sound presentation I prefer.
I'm unwilling to sit at home with background music giving 'nice plummy undynamic' sound to talk over .
I prefer the 100% ie "this guy is performing for me sat here in the front row "kind of sound that techy can give
and the TAD gave this and SO effortlessly .
BIG prob was the price way over my ability to pay unfortunately but a privilege to hear and for free.
I am sorry that I did not recognise many punters there .
I suppose badges would be very 'not British' but sometimes I think being friendly is good and since this hobby is so personal and 'at home' maybe ID could help this little world we cherish
Someone told me they thought the TAD room was too bright - it didn't sound particularly bright to me - not as recessed as many systems is how I would describe it.
Oddly, the same person who told me he thought the TADs bright also liked some tiny active speakers when we heard them at the Pie show a couple of years ago, and they had the kind of treble that could etch glass at 100 paces!
The TADs were definitely not in the slightest bit bright - more like realistically fast and dynamic sounding (if a little 'mechanical' and 'matter of fact', musically), but that's always something I struggle with when listening to most solid-state amps, compared with valves at their best: their inability (in comparison) to let music 'breathe'...
Marco.
The TADs were definitely not in the slightest bit bright - more like realistically fast and dynamic sounding (if a little 'mechanical' and 'matter of fact', musically), but that's always something I struggle with when listening to most solid-state amps, compared with valves at their best: their inability (in comparison) to let music 'breathe'...
Marco.
Yes, that's exactly how I would describe the sound too, a little bit 'matter of fact' and 'mechanical'. I'm not sure it is a solid state thing as such though - they were streaming (which never seems to really excite me) and those particular amps (also TAD I think) may have this character.
Sure, Mark, I accept that. There could be a number of reasons for why we both perceived the sound that way :)
Marco.
Not from me sorry - I didn't actually see anyone taking any pics. I
http://i622.photobucket.com/albums/tt309/themainsman/ADS/facebboook_zps41048ea7.jpg
Unfortunately, I didn't sit and listen in your room Dave - it was just too busy :)!
I notice they also had those PS audio power plant things in the Linn room too.
Sounded ok,ticked all the usual HIFI boxes,no vices,just didn't draw me in or wow me personally.
stupinder
21-06-2014, 12:25
Our online coverage of the show. More will follow when we publish the free PDF magazine on the 2nd of July. http://hifipig.com/cranage-hall-audio-show-2014/
Stratmangler
22-06-2014, 10:06
Sorry for being so late getting back to you Chris , had an incredible day yesterday ! Became a Grandad , a girl ,Ruby Mary Kate 8 pound 11 oz .
Sorry for the thread drift .
Between £500 and £1200 depending on spec and condition , A Mike New Bearing BBP and platter is about £1300 or so ?
Like I said to you before ,I am finally happy with the way my 1210 is sounding (at last) but I don't think mine is any better than anyone else's 1210 or any other TT for that matter , I really don't care , its good enough for me at this moment , but if I was looking to spend that sort of money I would be looking at an SP10 or something similar rather than bodge around any further with my 1210 + it would make for a very top heavy system , I'm still looking at changing my speakers next .
Congratulations to you all.
You must be feeling elated, and I trust mother and baby are doing well?
The only reason I asked WRT the SP10 is just because they're thin on the ground, and getting a bit long in the tooth - chances are an SP10 would need a major overhaul, and some parts for it are now made of unobtainium.
I'm happy with the way my 1210 is sounding too - I've no burning desire to upgrade anything more on it at this point. The cartridge will be changed at some point, but they're consumable items no matter how you look at things.
On the speaker front, I was rather impressed with the sounds coming from a pair of these last week
http://www.hifichoice.co.uk/sites/17/images/article_images_month/2012-02/hfc343_tannoy1.jpg
and also these
http://www.stirlingbroadcast.net/Img/Veneers/DRS_2558.JPG
chris@panteg
22-06-2014, 10:09
Congratulations to you all.
You must be feeling elated, and I trust mother and baby are doing well?
The only reason I asked WRT the SP10 is just because they're thin on the ground, and getting a bit long in the tooth - chances are an SP10 would need a major overhaul, and some parts for it are now made of unobtainium.
I'm happy with the way my 1210 is sounding too - I've no burning desire to upgrade anything more on it at this point. The cartridge will be changed at some point, but they're consumable items no matter how you look at things.
On the speaker front, I was rather impressed with the sounds coming from a pair of these last week
http://www.hifichoice.co.uk/sites/17/images/article_images_month/2012-02/hfc343_tannoy1.jpg
and also these
http://www.stirlingbroadcast.net/Img/Veneers/DRS_2558.JPG
Thanks Chris , very emotional , very well and very happy .
Interesting speakers Chris , another thread perhaps ?
FidelityArt
11-01-2015, 08:39
Cranage is back for 2015!!!
It will be bigger, better and free for visitors.
Registration here www.audioshow.co.uk
I've already registered :). I really enjoyed this show last year.
Ah yes, but will you turn up, or do a ‘no show’, like yesterday! ;)
Marco.
May do... but then may not...
Lol - what happened to you?
Marco.
jandl100
11-01-2015, 10:48
Eh, Mark's a bugger for turning up - tried to meet up with him at the National Show last year ...... :scratch:
Re: Cranage - too far Oop North for a wimpy Southerner like me.
It's not fair - why do all the shows have to be so far away? - don't southerners have rights too, no-one seems to care about them? :steam: - it's probably too far from public transport anyway :steam: - whine whinge whine
:lol:
Lol - what happened to you?
Marco.
Just couldn't make it in the end unfortunately.
Eh, Mark's a bugger for turning up - tried to meet up with him at the National Show last year ...... :scratch:
I did go to the room we said we would meet at but you weren't there (we had been delayed by 15 mins or so on the motorway) :( - another time perhaps.
It's not fair - why do all the shows have to be so far away? - don't southerners have rights too, no-one seems to care about them? :steam: - it's probably too far from public transport anyway :steam: - whine whinge whine
Wot yer on about, daftee - you’ve got Bristol, Whittlebury and Windsor (and probably more I can’t think of)!
Marco.
jandl100
11-01-2015, 11:03
yeah, I know - only kidding. ;)
jandl100
11-01-2015, 11:04
I know - I was just taking the piss out of the usual whiners and whingers when a show isn't laid on at their doorstep. ;)
Just couldn't make it in the end unfortunately.
Shame - the Paradise was well represented and made some lovely sounds with the assembled T/Ts :)
Unless I’m on holiday, I’ll be going to Cranage. It’s undoubtedly the best of the commercial shows.
Marco.
I know - I was just taking the piss out of the usual whiners and whingers when a show isn't laid on at their doorstep. ;)
Indeed. I made a 300-mile round trip yesterday to get to NEBO, not including picking Macca up and returning him to Stoke! Got to NEBO at 11.35am. Left at 10.30pm. Arrived home at 1.30am this morning.
Howzzat for dedication? :eyebrows:
Marco.
jandl100
11-01-2015, 11:09
Indeed. I made a 300-mile round trip yesterday to get to NEBO, not including picking Macca up and returning him to Stoke! Got to NEBO at 11.35am. Left at 10.30pm. Arrived home at 1.30am this morning.
Howzzat for dedication? :eyebrows:
Marco.
:respect:
Unless I’m on holiday, I’ll be going to Cranage. It’s undoubtedly the best of the commercial shows.
Marco.
The Bristol show is good though it really is a bit of a long haul for me to do in one day (which is why I don't often go).
Lee Henley
11-01-2015, 17:21
Got my tickets for the 2015 show, really enjoyed it last year
FidelityArt
02-03-2015, 12:25
News updated with a great SPA offer. Full body massage only £25.95 when you quote AUDIO.
This offer is exclusive to your second halves!!! You guys, stay away from SPA.
Also, double room BB £90 promo code AUDIO
More info www.audioshow.co.uk/news
News updated with a great SPA offer. Full body massage only £25.95 when you quote AUDIO.
I’m not quite sure what to say to that... :eyebrows:
Marco.
£25.95? no 'happy endings' at that price...no wonder it is only for the birds ;)
Hehehe… Fancy drilling a ‘spy hole’ in the wall from the main area of the hotel to the spa? The entertainment value could be well worth it, especially if any 'rug-munchers' decide to get it on! :D
Marco.
Or we could just re-enact 'Porky's' in it's entirety.
Might be an idea actually, if the show turns out to be a bit dull.....
Given the age of your average show goer I can live without seeing their women naked.
Oh I don’t know, some of those old boys like their young totty! ;)
Anyway, what’s a few stretch marks and some cellulite amongst friends? :D
Marco.
FidelityArt
03-03-2015, 19:48
Given the age of your average show goer I can live without seeing their women naked.
No idea what you mean???
FidelityArt
30-03-2015, 21:03
Live music at Cranage
www.audioshow.co.uk/news
Frazeur1
31-03-2015, 12:55
Oh I don’t know, some of those old boys like their young totty! ;)
Anyway, what’s a few stretch marks and some cellulite amongst friends? :D
Marco.
Marco, you are always good for a laugh or two!
When I first looked at the heading of this post, I read it as "Carnage Hall". Maybe now I know why.
FidelityArt
17-04-2015, 21:50
Some news on Facebook
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Please, press like if you can.
Thanks
FidelityArt
11-06-2015, 23:17
Floor plan for 2015 ready
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Audioshow/384665005008725?ref=nf
I like this show very much and would strongly endorse it to anyone who has not attended such a show (I went last year).
Unfortunately circumstance means that I may not now be visiting again this year but I wish it all the best and hope that all present enjoy it:).
Berni217
16-06-2015, 10:09
I have booked the Chester Zoo Package, which includes Room, Breakfast, Bottle of wine in room and 2 adults tickets for Chester Zoo. All for £99. :)
News updated with a great SPA offer. Full body massage only £25.95 when you quote AUDIO.
This offer is exclusive to your second halves!!! You guys, stay away from SPA.
Also, double room BB £90 promo code AUDIO
More info www.audioshow.co.uk/news
FidelityArt
17-06-2015, 10:56
I have booked the Chester Zoo Package, which includes Room, Breakfast, Bottle of wine in room and 2 adults tickets for Chester Zoo. All for £99. :)
Where did you get this deal, Bernard?
Berni217
17-06-2015, 18:25
www.cranagehallholmeschapel.co.uk/offers/
www.cranagehallholmeschapel.co.uk/offers/chester-zoo-break/
FidelityArt
19-06-2015, 09:43
Stay till the end and take part of prize draw
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Ok, chaps, who's definitely going on Sunday? I'll be there with a few friends, so if we meet any AoS-ers, the beers are on me! :cool:
Marco.
I'm definitely now going :)
Almost certainly
Most probably
I'm definitely now going :)
Almost certainly
Most probably
Ha - unless a better offer comes up!
Marco.
I'm planning to go along
Jeez, why didn't you say and we could've sorted something out, in terms of your transport? :doh:
Marco.
the beers are on me! :cool:
Marco.
Oh yes ............................
I'll be there. Guinness if possible, or a nice real ale.
Im not sure I will remember what you look like, so I'll just hang around the bar until I hear an accent that I understand.
don't worry about it.
Okies, but if you need a lift to wherever you're getting the train back, just gizza shout! :)
Marco.
Oh yes ............................
I'll be there. Guinness if possible, or a nice real ale.
Im not sure I will remember what you look like, so I'll just hang around the bar until I hear an accent that I understand.
Lol.... Just a big daftee with a Scottish accent. I'll probably shout: 'If you're from AoS, say yay'.... Don't worry, you'll hear me all right! ;)
Marco.
Oh yes ............................
I'll be there. Guinness if possible, or a nice real ale.
Im not sure I will remember what you look like, so I'll just hang around the bar until I hear an accent that I understand.
just hang around with a hand on hip and a rose behind the ear and Marco will find you.:eyebrows:
second thoughts, you dont want too big a queue so just wear a wooly jersey and wellies:lol:
Okies, but if you need a lift to wherever you're getting the train back, just gizza shout! :)
Marco.
I'll get a taxi, probabaly, but nice one anyway. I'll still claim my free drink ;)
second thoughts, you dont want too big a queue so just wear a wooly jersey and wellies:lol:
Too late, plans have changed.
I have just looked out my kilt and tried it on. Still a braw sight. Handsome doesnt go far enough.
I suppose there is potential for a bit of mickey taking, but I'll deal with it.
And before you ask.......................... No, there is nothing worn underneath.
Everything is in fine working order, ............................Boom , Boom.
second thoughts, you dont want too big a queue so just wear a wooly jersey and wellies:lol:
You know me too well, dahling! :D
Marco.
I'll get a taxi, probabaly, but nice one anyway. I'll still claim my free drink ;)
No problem, sweety. Mineral water it is! :lol:
Marco.
Brian its a risk but I salute you for it:respect:
Too late, plans have changed.
I have just looked out my kilt and tried it on. Still a braw sight. Handsome doesnt go far enough.
I suppose there is potential for a bit of mickey taking, but I'll deal with it.
And before you ask.......................... No, there is nothing worn underneath.
Everything is in fine working order, ............................Boom , Boom.
Bloody hell, mate, don't tell Bev that or she'll be up there to 'molest' you, quicker than you can say shoogle ma skene-dhu!! :eek: :bum:
Marco.
Brian its a risk but I salute you for it:respect:
The barmaids will be all over him.... ;)
Marco.
Before this goes any further.... I was kidding about the kilt.
My legs are too skinny and it just looks "wrong"
last time i wore a kilt was at my brothers weedin. I look damned handsome
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06/24/886003e3ae6aad2d27388e7965a97e44.jpg
Ok, chaps, who's definitely going on Sunday? I'll be there with a few friends, so if we meet any AoS-ers, the beers are on me! :cool:
Marco.
I'll be driving up from se kent
Look forward to (hopefully) meeting you then, Kev :)
Marco.
Is anyone else here? Been wandering around a while now in the bar for a bit.
surprise surprise. martin is wandering around the bar:eyebrows: marco was going...surely you cant miss his ugly big mug:lol:
Is anyone else here? Been wandering around a while now in the bar for a bit.
I'm definitely not there.
I was definitely there - met up with Tony L (owner of pfm forum). Fantastic show with loads of interesting stuff - really enjoyed it.
Great show better than last year , I don't know many AOS' by sight but did meet Marco today through a mutual friend.
Ive just got back, after a nice day .
I listened to Deans "vinyl passion " talk and loved it. Once you get him started on music its always hard to get a word in, so it was great to just hear him talk for so long with only a few minor interjections from the crowd, and his passion shone through. Big time.
Nice one, Dean.
(he is available for after dinner speaking gigs, best man duties, etc etc PM me, im handling bookings/fees etc)
Lots of good music on offer, and I was surprised to hear so much jazz. Perhaps the tide is turning, and the masses are recognising the "proper' stuff .
Hi Fi wise, much variety on offer. For certain, the Good, the Bad.... and the very very Ugly.
For me the two standouts were the Puresound and BD Audio rooms. Now some of you will no doubt say
" Ah, he is just bigging up his mates "
No, it isnt that, I promise. Yes I know Guy and Jack, but this is my honest view. Honestly !!
The sounds being produced in both those rooms were way ahead of anything else I heard. Really full sounds, with a nice tone quality. Not edgy and thin like some others. I enjoyed both rooms, very much.
Which brings me to my biggest surprise/revelation.
I actually found myself wondering if some of the other exhibitors had actually listened critically to the sounds they were producing. Seriously.... some were really terrible.
And not just the obvious mistake of playing too loudly. Yes, I heard that.............. ridiculous levels that were actually painful.
No, the problem is more than just volume. Just really poor sounds. Now, Guy and Jacks systems were probably at the high end of the financial scale, and Im trying to make allowances for some of those less costly efforts.
But honestly, it wasnt just about cost. Some of them were really bad. Either end of the financial cost scale
If some of those exhibitors felt happy and satisfied that they were showing their stuff to its best , then they are in the wrong job. Seriously.
These guys are supposed to be pros.
I dont recall hearing any rooms as bad, in 6 years of going to Scalford.
Anyway, a bit of an eye opener for me, on what was an enjoyable day.
Which brings me to my biggest surprise/revelation.
I actually found myself wondering if some of the other exhibitors had actually listened critically to the sounds they were producing. Seriously.... some were really terrible.
And not just the obvious mistake of playing too loudly. Yes, I heard that.............. ridiculous levels that were actually painful.
No, the problem is more than just volume. Just really poor sounds. Now, Guy and Jacks systems were probably at the high end of the financial scale, and Im trying to make allowances for some of those less costly efforts.
But honestly, it wasnt just about cost. Some of them were really bad. Either end of the financial cost scale
If some of those exhibitors felt happy and satisfied that they were showing their stuff to its best , then they are in the wrong job. Seriously.
.
I have to agree with you Brian. I don't know whether it is because they don't know a good sound from a hole in the ground or because they do loads of these shows and just get blase about it. The TAD room was a good example. Very, very expensive kit, sound was, and I'm being generous: poor. The only thing I can think was that the room was very large and they were running the amps into continuous clipping to get enough SPL. If that was the case I'd suggest next time they do the maths and bring enough amplification for the size of the room.
I didn't spend that long in the TAD room as it was rather busy (some people were standing at the sides and back which I would not recommend). When I was there the music was reasonably loud but not unduly so and the amps didn't sound like they were clipping - but I wasn't there very long.
I agree they didn't sound like they were clipping but otherwise I'm at a loss to explain why it was so poor.
Example: They played Steely Dan: My Gold Teeth II off of Katy Lied, a tune I know pretty well. The piano at the end - on my lash up it sounds like a recording of someone playing a (fairly close-miked) grand piano. On the TAD system it was just a sound. I checked this again when I got home. No comparison.
It may have been on another forum (probably the Wam) but someone said that TAD were using both CD and streaming as sources and that one (probably CD but I can't remember) was hugely better than the other.
Source material (as well as the quality of the source equipment) is always an issue and was so at this show. Many demonstrators feel compelled to use streaming or file based sources because they feel that's what people want to hear (the new 'shiny') - irrespective of whether it actually sounds any good. In another room Brian and Trevor (House of Linn) were winning friends by playing a lot of rock (Black Sabbath, U2, Slaves, Hendrix, etc.) - whilst this really was the kind of music that many attendees wanted to hear (a number of people commented as much to me on the day) it also sounded really very compressed (I personally heard Sabbath, U2 and Slaves) and didn't show the system off very well (or at least I hope it was the source material).
Bit busy just now, but shall post my thoughts on what I heard later. Great meeting all the AoS-ers at the show yesterday, which by and large demonstrated some nice sounds :cool:
Marco.
The Black Adder
29-06-2015, 12:41
any pics coming?
Not from me... The closest might be the vids Duncan has posted on the other thread. Hope you're feeling better now, btw :)
Marco.
It may have been on another forum (probably the Wam) but someone said that TAD were using both CD and streaming as sources and that one (probably CD but I can't remember) was hugely better than the other.
Source material (as well as the quality of the source equipment) is always an issue and was so at this show. Many demonstrators feel compelled to use streaming or file based sources because they feel that's what people want to hear (the new 'shiny') - irrespective of whether it actually sounds any good. .
Well it was too poor to be a CD but I suppose it could have been an MP3. Why have any material that is sub-standard? They are supposed to be selling this stuff, it is not Scalford, after all.
The active ATC system was another that was less than awe-inspiring. Again quite odd since I've heard active ATC before and ws quite impressed.
I'm not buying the 'it's hard to get a good sound at a show' since there were plenty of exhibitors who seemed to have no problems. Frankly if I was running the TAD demo I would have closed the room rather than let folk hear it sound that poor.
The JBL room was another good example - no issues with the actual sound which although it wasn't awe inspiring it was still good enough to show off the abilities of the speakers. But why put the enourmous equipment rack smack in the middle of the speakers? Okay maybe there was some bizzare reason why they had to put it there. if not then it was a shocking schoolboy error.
Well yes, I guess there was a good reason why the rack was between the speakers and that is that their speaker cables wouldn't have reached if the rack had been to one side. I don't see it as such a schoolboy error though. Having the equipment between the speakers wouldn't be how I would have it either but they were hardly alone in positioning their equipment thus (in fact most exhibitors had their systems that way). What I did notice with the JBL's was that the bass altered significantly depending on what row of the seating you sat at. The back row had the most bass, but rather loose with some room boom - the front row had the tightest bass but a touch lean.
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I'm not sure if you were suggesting it but I wasn't saying it's hard to get a good sound at a show as such. There was only one room I thought sounded outright poor (could have been the Sting being played), there were a number of 'nothing special 'meh' rooms. A couple of people told me they really liked the ATC room - further questioning revealed that what they meant was they really liked the music being played (rather than the quality of the replay which didn't do much for me).
No, not aimed at you specifically Mark, it is just a common thing you hear said about shows, possibly to excuse the cloth-eared demonstrators ;)
Agree quite few had their rack between the speakers - but well back from the plane of the speakers where it does no harm. The JBL rack, as well as being 5 times the size of most others, actually jutted out in front of the plane of the speakers. Agree about the room boom - I was sat on the back or second to back row IIRC. Didn't put me off them, if I had a spare £15K they would have been coming home with me.
Stratmangler
29-06-2015, 16:52
In another room Brian and Trevor (House of Linn) were winning friends by playing a lot of rock (Black Sabbath, U2, Slaves, Hendrix, etc.) - whilst this really was the kind of music that many attendees wanted to hear (a number of people commented as much to me on the day) it also sounded really very compressed (I personally heard Sabbath, U2 and Slaves) and didn't show the system off very well (or at least I hope it was the source material).
I didn't attend Carnage yesterday, but I was there last year, and also at Manchester Airport last time round.
House of Linn were at both, and I didn't think very much of the sound on either occasion.
I think I lasted just 20 seconds in their room last year at Carnage before I felt compelled to leave, such was the allure of the noise that was being made.
Sounds like things haven't changed ;)
What I find interesting is that neither you or Macca have met me, and have not been in contact by PM about the subject, and you've come up with similar viewpoints on a couple of setups on demonstration, with my reference points having been made 12 months ago.
No, not aimed at you specifically Mark, it is just a common thing you hear said about shows, possibly to excuse the cloth-eared demonstrators ;)
Ah yes, I agree then, 'hotel room' issues of one sort or another are often cited as being the cause of poor show demos - sometimes with some justification but sometimes not.
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I've also heard the three 'House of Linn' demos mentioned (Manchester show and Cranage last year and this year). I would agree that none of them impressed me. However, I would say that each time they were unimpressive for different reasons. For example, last years Cranage dem used a full Linn system with Linn active speakers and it was just too bland and uninvolving. This year, with the ATCs, the sound was too dry and flat, kind of impressive but also rather busy and ultimately lacking in proper dynamic and expression. Perhaps it would have sounded better without the gigantic PS Audio power plant mains regenerator things that were being used (a lot of people thought these were the power amps).
The Brian and Trevor demos strike me as a very odd thing. They stand in the room (or near it), they don't speak to any people who come into the room (just to the shop staff who stand at the back and who they often chat to talking over the music), they never ask if anyone has any musical choices they would like to hear - very odd. At the end of the day yesterday I was sat in their room, front row right between the speakers. I was the only person (not staff) in the room and they still totally ignored me, then after a couple of U2 tracks they just started taking the system to bits - still not a word.
Having now recovered from my nine and a half hour, 550 mile annual pilgrimage to the Cranage hill Audio show, I thought I would post a few thoughts. It was nice to turn up at a show and find parking plentiful, and staff eager to please once again, I spent an interesting day listening to all of the rooms at length. The highlights for me were: BD Audio's Modwright / Tune Audio Marvel horn speakers, which quite rightly received the sound of the show award later on Sunday afternoon.
Jack played a wide range of material including an epic Organ / Chello classical piece, the scale, depth and realism was quite superb. This for me created that rare illusion of ''being at the recording'. This was no doubt helped by the new Tune Audio prototype subwoofer which filled out the bottom end very nicely.
My other real favourite of the day was the Quad 2805 electrostatics, used with Vincent class A amplification using vinyl as the source. Lovely uncoloured sound that only electrostatics can do. A very different presentation too the Tune / Modwright room but a beautiful uncoloured sound none the less. Spent some time in the Midland audio room, quirky looking speakers using a Lavardin amp, this sounded open detailed and filled the room nicely. Had an enjoyable half an hour in here listening to fleetwood Mac's Rumours album amongst others.
PMC stand mounts, using Nytec amplification performed an admiral job in an absolutely huge room. With a little more toe in, and listening in the near field they sounded quite nice; I'd imagine in a small room these would Sound impressive
Evolution Audio's room, using Project electronics paired with AE1 speakers.
Once again sounding very musical, despite having to use a smaller room than last year. A wide range of music was played including yet another one of Deans wonderful left field albums, can't remember what it was called. I'll have to find out, so I can buy it.
Didn't get the big ATC's at all, all shouty, crash, bag wollop. Just not for me.
And once again I still don't get the Brodmann speakers.
The really disappointing room for me, was TAD. Bearing in mind I am a huge TAD fan and Proud owner of a pair of reference CR-1's. I have spent hours listening to the R series speakers paired with the very same electronics used in the demo this weekend, and that conbination without fail always sounded utterly amazing. IMHO the issues in this room at the weekend were not helped by poorly set up speakers, for instance speakers weren't even properly allined - With one being about a foot infront of the other. To me and judging by some of the comments from people leaving the room also mentioning similar concerns,the system just sounded harsh, toppy, and two dimensional and just generally fatiguing to listen to, it really was a great shame listening to this particular Brand is usually the highlight of my show visit.
After the show on the way out of the hotel by chance I happened to bump into the distributor of TAD in the UK. I raised my genuine concerns about the poor sound in the demo room, and I have to say his approach to constructive criticism was really quite novel !
I hope on cool reflection, in future he goes back to personally setting up and conducting all the TAD demos.
So to summarise a very enjoyable show held at wonderful venue, great effort by all involved more new vinyl to buy and looking forward to doing it all again next year.
cyclopse
29-06-2015, 21:59
Having now recovered from my nine and a half hour, 550 mile annual pilgrimage to the Cranage hill Audio show, I thought I would post a few thoughts. It was nice to turn up at a show and find parking plentiful, and staff eager to please once again, I spent an interesting day listening to all of the rooms at length. The highlights for me were: BD Audio's Modwright / Tune Audio Marvel horn speakers, which quite rightly received the sound of the show award later on Sunday afternoon.
Jack played a wide range of material including an epic Organ / Chello classical piece, the scale, depth and realism was quite superb. This for me created that rare illusion of ''being at the recording'. This was no doubt helped by the new Tune Audio prototype subwoofer which filled out the bottom end very nicely.
My other real favourite of the day was the Quad 2805 electrostatics, used with Vincent class A amplification using vinyl as the source. Lovely uncoloured sound that only electrostatics can do. A very different presentation too the Tune / Modwright room but a beautiful uncoloured sound none the less. Spent some time in the Midland audio room, quirky looking speakers using a Lavardin amp, this sounded open detailed and filled the room nicely. Had an enjoyable half an hour in here listening to fleetwood Mac's Rumours album amongst others.
PMC stand mounts, using Nytec amplification performed an admiral job in an absolutely huge room. With a little more toe in, and listening in the near field they sounded quite nice; I'd imagine in a small room these would Sound impressive
Evolutional Audio's room, using Project electronics paired with AE1 speakers.
Once again sounding very musical, despite having to use a smaller room than last year. A wide range of music was played including yet another one of Deans wonderful left field albums, can't remember what it was called. I'll have to find out, so I can buy it.
Didn't get the big ATC's at all, all shouty, crash, bag wollop. Just not for me.
And once again I still don't get the Brodmann speakers.
The really disappointing room for me, was TAD. Bearing in mind I am a huge TAD fan and Proud owner of a pair of reference CR-1's. I have spent hours listening to the R series speakers paired with the very same electronics used in the demo this weekend, and that conbination without fail always sounded utterly amazing. IMHO the issues in this room at the weekend were not helped by poorly set up speakers, for instance speakers weren't even properly allined - With one being about a foot infront of the other. To me and judging by some of the comments from people leaving the room also mentioning similar concerns,the system just sounded harsh, toppy, and two dimensional and just generally fatiguing to listen to, it really was a great shame listening to this particular Brand is usually the highlight of my show visit.
After the show on the way out of the hotel by chance I happened to bump into the distributor of TAD in the UK. I raised my genuine concerns about the poor sound in the demo room, and I have to say his approach to constructive criticism was really quite novel !
I hope on cool reflection, in future he goes back to personally setting up and conducting all the TAD demos.
So to summarise a very enjoyable show held at wonderful venue, great effort by all involved more new vinyl to buy and looking forward to doing it all again next year.
I have noticed poor demo setups quite a few times. Shouldn't be happening with high end kit or any systems on show. Punters will vote with their wallets.
After the show on the way out of the hotel by chance I happened to bump into the distributor of TAD in the UK. I raised my genuine concerns about the poor sound in the demo room, and I have to say his approach to constructive criticism was really quite novel !
I hope on cool reflection, in future he goes back to personally setting up and conducting all the TAD demos.
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So what was his reaction? Reading between the lines I'm guessing he was a dick about it.
Why do so many hi-fi salesmen have no idea how to sell? Subject for a new thread, possibly?
Did anyone see the 20p coin sitting on the end of a headshell to balance out a VERY expensive tonearm.
Just about summed up the attitude of many exhibitors, in respect of thought that had gone into it beforehand.
Ammonite Audio
30-06-2015, 07:47
Did anyone see the 20p coin sitting on the end of a headshell to balance out a VERY expensive tonearm.
Just about summed up the attitude of many exhibitors, in respect of thought that had gone into it beforehand.
I shudder to imagine the mass/resonance imbalance that caused! Ikeda arms are very high mass anyway, so adding extra mass at the extremities is not a good idea.
That aside, I'd love to hear an Ikeda arm, coupled with a suitably low-compliance Japanese MC cartridge such as a Miyajima.
Hi Brian,
I listened to Deans "vinyl passion " talk and loved it. Once you get him started on music its always hard to get a word in, so it was great to just hear him talk for so long with only a few minor interjections from the crowd, and his passion shone through. Big time.
Nice one, Dean.
Where did this take place (which room)? I totally missed that and would've liked to have attended... Was it advertised in any of the literature? Not that I noticed.
For me the two standouts were the Puresound and BD Audio rooms.
Unfortunately I missed Jack's room, so can't comment, although from the pics Dean's posted on pfm, it certainly looks like a fab room - very cosy and traditional, with nice big comfy chairs! I enjoyed Guy's system (loved the Motus T/T), but wasn't so enamoured with the horn speakers, which to me sounded distinctly coloured.
The highlights for me were the big horns and superb valve amps, demonstrated by Greg, of G-Point Audio, on the ground floor, which sounded stunning with most material, and with some almost like live music - awesome stuff, although I'd have liked to have heard the gorgeous (in an 'industrial chic' kind of way) Thoress kit, which was on show to the right of the seating area.
That stuff appeals to me in all sorts of ways, and Greg has offered to send it to me to review for AoS, so look out for that one! :)
Other highlights were the big JBLs (with ML amps), which apart from an overblown bass, with some material, sounded suitably 'real' and 'alive' with most music, producing realistic scale and dynamics, which I've come to expect from big JBLs. Generally, they're my kind of thing, although I still prefer my Tannoys.
Like Macca says, though, I wouldn't have plonked the kit right in the middle of the speakers. There's simply no excuse for that. If the cables weren't long enough, then bring longer cables to the show, in order to deal with that issue if necessary! Simples.
I also enjoyed the MAX room, with the Lavardin amp those dinky little Boenicke Swiss floorstanding speakers, which had no right to sound so big!
I also liked the room with the Fostex-based loudspeakers, driven by Ming Da valve amps and fronted by a superb modified Lenco T/T, on PAB supports, which for me was easily the best sounding turntable of the show. I also enjoyed the Sound Kaos room, where they demonstrated some rather unusual speakers, the smaller of which (with matching sub) sounded very nice to my ears. The room with the 'Vinyl Passion' T/T and Quad electrostatics was also rather enjoyable. Anyway, those are the demos that impressed me the most.
However, most rooms produced a decent sound with a couple of exceptions, one of which was the 'High End Cable' room, with the Bel Canto CDP and DAC, Jeff Rowland amps and Raidho speakers, with cables all propped up on silly little 'cable elevators', made of either wood or plastic. What a tuneless drone that system produced! We stayed for 2 mins and then promptly left... I'll get to the TAD and Brian and Trevors room (with the ATCs) later!
All in all, with some nice live music to listen to in one of the rooms, a good selection of vinyl on sale from Diverse [thanks for the cash discount again as usual, Paul ;)], a layout that is rather easier to negotiate than that found at Whittlebury, and easy parking right next to the hotel, with free show entry, it was a very enjoyable day out. For me, the Cranage Hall show is undoubtedly the pick of the commercial hi-fi shows, and in many ways demonstrates to other organisers how it should be done.
Marco.
I have to agree with you Brian. I don't know whether it is because they don't know a good sound from a hole in the ground or because they do loads of these shows and just get blase about it. The TAD room was a good example. Very, very expensive kit, sound was, and I'm being generous: poor.
Indeed, and with bells on....
The TAD room produced a sound that is the complete antithesis of what I consider to be realistic recorded music reproduction, and epitomised what I DETEST about the presentation of modern, so called 'high-end' loudspeakers, and digital (FBA) done badly and stupidly expensively. The sound was hard, cold, clinical, spotlit and false, and totally bereft of musical merit. To my ears, it just sounded wrong in a spectacularly big way!
It was almost like the 'fun factor' had been deliberately sucked out of the music, in order for the speakers to sound 'technically correct' (the same, incidentally, as I find with Magicos)... I felt like dragging the demonstrator out and taking him to the G-Point Audio room, with the big horns, sitting him down and saying 'Listen to that... *THAT*, mate, is how real music sounds!'
And the price for this cacophonous collection of tuneless shite? Many TENS of THOUSANDS of pounds... :doh: :rolleyes: :mental: It's one for those who buy with their eyes first and believe that a technical measurements/latest technology-first approach to audio is the key to musical nirvana. Enough said!!
In many ways, musically, with some versions of 'high-end audio equipment' being produced today, we're going backwards, not forwards.... That's a sad fact.
Marco.
Hi Brian,
Where did this take place (which room)? I totally missed that and would've liked to have attended... Was it advertised in any of the literature?
Marco, It was in an area called Lounge 2 on the plan.
In the main entrance, turn right and just past reception. Kind of open plan, so you had to walk that way to get to the main exhibition area.
It was also the area where the solo guyitar player played. you can see his PA in some of Deans pics.
Im not sure if it was advertised. I just heard about it by word of mouth. Great fun.
Cheers, Brian. I know exactly where you mean, where the guy was playing a guitar, but Dean wasn't there when I was there, just the guy with his guitar.
I notice that even on the show guide, it just says 'Lounge 2. Live Music, Lectures'. A bit more detail, I feel, would've been useful. Word of mouth is fine if you're there when the word is being passed on! ;)
Marco.
PS....
I asked at the bar 3 times. " Has anyone left me a can of Tartan Special "
They looked at me as if I was speaking a foreign language..... maybe I was !
Lol - soz, I missed you. We were (all six of us) sat at the table, with high stools, right at the bar entrance. That would've been about from 1.30-2.30pm :)
Come and visit me in Wrexham next time (no more than 35 mins from Cranage), for a music sesh, and I'll more than make up for that missed pint of beer! ;)
Marco.
I've also heard the three 'House of Linn' demos mentioned (Manchester show and Cranage last year and this year). I would agree that none of them impressed me. However, I would say that each time they were unimpressive for different reasons. For example, last years Cranage dem used a full Linn system with Linn active speakers and it was just too bland and uninvolving.
Yup - typical bland modern Linn sound. Give me a pair of Briks, any day, fronted by an LP12 that hasn't had all of its musicality sucked out of it, in order to mimic the sonic presentation of a bad CD player! ;)
This year, with the ATCs, the sound was too dry and flat, kind of impressive but also rather busy and ultimately lacking in proper dynamic and expression.
Yup again. Those were active ATCs that were demoed, weren't they?
If not, it sounded like it. Every time I hear some, I can clearly hear the limitations of the built-in amp packs, which as you say, produce a very dry, hard sound, lacking in natural warmth and texture (and no, I'm not talking here about euphonic coloration), but rather a 'colourless' presentation, which makes music sound rather lifeless and tonally 'monochromatic'. There's no SOUL there, man!
It's a sound that's very much is aimed at the head, not the heart... The music just isn't allowed to 'breathe'. And how did they manage to get an LP12 to sound so lean, bland and 'digital' (in a bad way)? Truly awful!
I can understand why some folk rave about active ATCs, but for me, they most likely listen to 'sound', not music, or buy them because of their professional reputation (a la Bub). They may sound sonically 'impressive', but not to anyone who knows what real instruments and voices *actually* sound like, instead of the somewhat soulless 'cardboard cutout' of such that the ATCs were producing.
The Brian and Trevor demos strike me as a very odd thing. They stand in the room (or near it), they don't speak to any people who come into the room (just to the shop staff who stand at the back and who they often chat to talking over the music), they never ask if anyone has any musical choices they would like to hear - very odd. At the end of the day yesterday I was sat in their room, front row right between the speakers. I was the only person (not staff) in the room and they still totally ignored me, then after a couple of U2 tracks they just started taking the system to bits - still not a word.
Yes, very weird indeed, and totally not how to get a sale from someone like me - even if I did like the sound that their kit produced. I demand some friendly interaction from the folk intent on extracting the (these days not so hard-earned) dosh from my wallet...
Hey, at least the chairs were comfy!! :doh:
Marco.
Berni217
30-06-2015, 10:58
It was our first visit to Cranage hill Audio show and we had a great time taking advantage of the Hotel's great £99 offer (Room + Wine + Breakfast + visit to Chester Zoo).
Getting there late afternoon on Saturday, we did not manage to visit the Zoo but we did enjoy the hotel swimming pool, sauna followed by a few glasses of surprisingly good vino. :)
The highlights of the show for me:
* BD Audio had the best looking room and the sound was beautiful.
* GPoint Audio: the horns and great looking valve amps were very pleasant. Unfortunately, I did not have the opportunity to listen to the Existence Erotic speakers. Any comments on those?
http://gpoint-audio.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Existence-Erotic-198x300.jpg
* Brodman's Vienna Classic VC7 (£13K) sounded great with a lifelike rendition of the piano (as expected from this fine piano maker), good dynamics. The opera played was quite special indeed. Even the little Festival FS model (£3K) sounded bigger than their size.
* The Hornings were magnificent. First time I have seen and heard them. They are taller and deeper than I thought.
* We enjoyed welcoming & sound of the Audiocounsel room. The AN J sounded big. Dave was very helpful trying to put music to our taste.
* Ifi Audio: We were quite impressed by the Retro Stereo 50 All-in-one box. Could well suit a second or third system :)
http://ifi-audio.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/STEREO50111-453x327.png
* Finally thanks to Oliver Manning for the live music.
http://olivermanning.bandcamp.com/album/the-manboy-lp
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B.
I didn't attend Carnage yesterday, but I was there last year, and also at Manchester Airport last time round.
House of Linn were at both, and I didn't think very much of the sound on either occasion.
I think I lasted just 20 seconds in their room last year at Carnage before I felt compelled to leave, such was the allure of the noise that was being made.
Sounds like things haven't changed ;)
What I find interesting is that neither you or Macca have met me, and have not been in contact by PM about the subject, and you've come up with similar viewpoints on a couple of setups on demonstration, with my reference points having been made 12 months ago.
Just goes to demonstrate that we don't 'hear differently' - I think everyone gets what a good sound is and when it is not good. When you go around a show like this with other people it is so very rare that one will say 'that was a good sound' and another will say 'really? I thought it was terrible.' Putting issues of presentation and style out of the way there is a clear difference between 'good' and 'not good'. For example the system using AE Classic reference speakers - now I don't like small speakers and I don't like metal cones BUT the fundamental sound of that system was still good. Whereas the TAD system which should be the sort of thing I'd love (Big room, huge multi-way speakers, loads of power on tap) was fundamentally bad.
I'd still like to hear what the TAD distributor had to say.
I'd still like to hear what the TAD distributor had to say.
Indeed. Kev should spill the beans on that. I have zero tolerance towards arrogance or just sheer cheek from traders, simply because someone who's listened to their kit has been (politely) frank and honest...
These folk need to remember who [ultimately] pays their wages, and that not everyone exists to stroke their (seemingly fragile) egos!
Marco.
Marco, yes they were active ATCs, SCM50's I think. The LP12 they were using was a top spec model throughout and fitted with Brian and Trevor's new LP12 plinth. This plinth is CNC routed from a lump of bamboo and so is called the Boo Plinth (truly appalling name). For some inexplicable reason this one was stained a dark redy brown colour. I believe the pre-amp they were using has built in DSP room correction and it's true they weren't suffering from 'room boom' - but at what cost....
In stark contrast, the Audio Note system in the Audio Counsel room had loads of 'room boom' - I've heard very similar systems sounding much better than this. The comedy bass hump was just too distracting for me.
I've heard the Brodman speakers demoed a number of times now. This time when I visited the room they were playing some rock (can't remember what) and the bass had a most contrived quality to it.
In stark contrast, the Audio Note system in the Audio Counsel room had loads of 'room boom' - I've heard very similar systems sounding much better than this. The comedy bass hump was just too distracting for me.
Yes, I was disapointed with the sounds in that room too.
I actually use AN J's at home, but older much lower spec versions. So I was very interested to hear the top spec ones.
I actually went back 3 times hoping to hear them sounding good, but it just didnt happen.
I know they are "supposed" to be in corners, but it just wasnt right to my ears and I wonder if they actually tried them "out a bit".
Possibly they have to stick with what they advertise, but it was such a shame.
I have to say otrhers liked them.
Berni217
30-06-2015, 11:47
Yes, I was disapointed with the sounds in that room too.
I actually use AN J's at home, but older much lower spec versions. So I was very interested to hear the top spec ones.
I actually went back 3 times hoping to hear them sounding good, but it just didnt happen.
I know they are "supposed" to be in corners, but it just wasnt right to my ears and I wonder if they actually tried them "out a bit".
Possibly they have to stick with what they advertise, but it was such a shame.
I have to say otrhers liked them.
I did like them. But I am not an AN expert.
I'm in the process of writing in my show report now - there are loads of pictures too:
http://www.audioflat.co.uk/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=475&p=6303#p6303
I notice that even on the show guide, it just says 'Lounge 2. Live Music, Lectures'. A bit more detail, I feel, would've been useful. Word of mouth is fine if you're there when the word is being passed on! ;)
Marco.
Dean posted in the Wam Cranage thread , I knew about it and could have told you Marco when Mike introduced me to you but I totally forgot about it and missed it myself :doh:
No worries, matey. it's not your fault. Thing is, some allowances should've been made for those who don't read or aren't members of the Wam. There's no reason for the Cranage Hall show to become 'Wam-centric', like Scalford.
Dean could've announced his intended music lecture on AoS, well before the show... He's a member here, too :)
Marco.
I don't suppose Cranage are aware of the forums , they definitely should have put the details in the guide .
I'm sure I read about Dean's talk on this very forum on the Cranage Hall show thread.
Can't remember that Mark, but if it's there, then fair enough. So, all in all, sound wise, which room was your outright favourite? :)
Marco.
I believe the pre-amp they were using has built in DSP room correction and it's true they weren't suffering from 'room boom' - but at what cost....
Indeed. The cost was in stripping away the music's natural 'presence' and vitality, which resulted in robbing it of much of its inherent emotion.
Clearly, the DSP room correction was imposing its own sonic signature on the presentation of the system, and consequently, although the Linn/ATC system ticked most of the 'hi-fi boxes', how it portrayed music failed to move you - and that's the fundamental problem with the 'measurement first' approach to audio, as it's simply too broad-brush.
That's why I always roll my eyes when reading the comments from 'objectivists' on forums, who obsess over the benefits of room correction, but ignore other very important aspects of system set up, to the detriment of the system's ability to play music, making it come alive and sound 'real'.
Essentially, all they're doing is trading one set of compromises for another - and that's fundamentally not the way to build a hi-fi system that will provide long-term musical satisfaction, unless that is, one focuses merely on 'sound', not music. Contrary to what some may believe, the two aren't always intrinsically linked!
Marco.
The bar, probabaly ;)
Yes, they did do a rather nice pint of Stella!
Marco.
Can't remember that Mark, but if it's there, then fair enough. So, all in all, sound wise, which room was your outright favourite? :)
:popcorn: :popcorn:
Marco.
I've since had second thoughts on whether I read about Dean's talk on AoS - I did try to find it but couldn't. Perhaps I did read about it elsewhere but I did know beforehand that he was doing this talk (though I can't remember where I heard of it).
Indeed. The cost was in stripping away the music's natural 'presence' and vitality, which resulted in robbing it of much of its inherent emotion.
Clearly, the DSP room correction was imposing its own sonic signature on the presentation of the system, and consequently, although the Linn/ATC system ticked most of the 'hi-fi boxes', how it portrayed music failed to move you - and that's the fundamental problem with the 'measurement first' approach to audio, as it's simply too broad-brush.
That's why I always roll my eyes when reading the comments from 'objectivists' on forums, who obsess over the benefits of room correction, but ignore other very important aspects of system set up, to the detriment of the system's ability to play music, making it come alive and sound 'real'.
Essentially, all they're doing is trading one set of compromises for another - and that's fundamentally not the way to build a hi-fi system that will provide long-term musical satisfaction, unless that is, one focuses merely on 'sound', not music. Contrary to what some may believe, the two aren't always intrinsically linked!
Marco.
I'm not disagreeing because the way you describe the sound of this room is very like what I also experienced and it could be the pre-amp with its room correction at fault. However, for me at least, that's just conjecture because I don't know what Brian and Trevor actually did to set up the system or what room correction they applied - if any. I have to say, these two have a very odd, and distinctly unwelcoming, manner when doing these show demonstrations. Would it kill them to acknowledge the existence of the visitors or to spend a couple of minutes explaining the system? In stark contrast, literally every other exhibitor was extremely amenable and friendly!
As you may recall, I actually use DSP in my own system and room correction. However, this is only in the bass in a true three way system and I would be hesitant in applying it to the mid and treble (which are powered separately through a high quality passive crossover). Certainly the room correction in the bass has proved to be most beneficial and has really raised the quality in this area - so much so that a friend has told me that he intends to do precisely the same.
Cool. Before I get to that, Mark (as you raise some interesting points), what was your favourite room, i.e. the one in which the system demonstrated appealed to you most? :)
Oh, and do my thoughts on the TAD room also tally with yours?
Marco.
As you mention it, here's a gratuitous plug for my full show report, words and pictures (now complete):
http://www.audioflat.co.uk/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=475&p=6303#p6303
Two rooms struck me as being 'the best'; one was the g Point Audio room with the orange and black horn speakers (I've heard those speakers twice now and have been really impressed with them on both occasions). The other room was the BD Audio room which was awarded 'room of the show'.
In comparison the TAD room was distinctly underwhelming. My mate Tony hated it but I was more ambivalent. In many ways I could tell it was a really posh system (and it really was a super posh system both in terms of technology and component price) but it wasn't at all engaging in a musical sense. It had hi-fi qualities like tonal consistency, grip, separation, focus etc, but it was also just a bit 'meh' and very easy to walk away from (it was better last year - Tony hated it then too :)).
As you mention it, here's a gratuitous plug for my full show report, words and pictures (now complete):
http://www.audioflat.co.uk/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=475&p=6303#p6303
Two rooms struck me as being 'the best'; one was the g Point Audio room with the orange and black horn speakers (I've heard those speakers twice now and have been really impressed with them on both occasions). The other room was the BD Audio room which was awarded 'room of the show'.
In comparison the TAD room was distinctly underwhelming. My mate Tony hated it but I was more ambivalent. In many ways I could tell it was a really posh system (and it really was a super posh system both in terms of technology and component price) but it wasn't at all engaging in a musical sense. It had hi-fi qualities like tonal consistency, grip, separation, focus etc, but it was also just a bit 'meh' and very easy to walk away from (it was better last year - Tony hated it then too :)).
Great reading,
Thanks,
Mike.
I'm glad you liked it Mike, I was lucky in that I had some spare time to write it and the show hasn't yet got too large - though there was still plenty to see and hear. I don't have to be quite so PC as a magazine might feel they should be either ;).
brian2957
02-07-2015, 15:59
Yup , I really enjoyed the report too . Interesting reading . Thanks Mark . :)
No worries, matey. it's not your fault. Thing is, some allowances should've been made for those who don't read or aren't members of the Wam. There's no reason for the Cranage Hall show to become 'Wam-centric', like Scalford.
Dean could've announced his intended music lecture on AoS, well before the show... He's a member here, too :)
Marco.
Hi Marco,
I should have announced it on here as well. I apologise for that. It was on the Show organisers website but it should have been mentioned more on the forums.
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Hi Marco,
I should have announced it on here as well. I apologise for that. It was on the Show organisers website but it should have been mentioned more on the forums.
No worries, dude. I was just disappointed that I missed your talk. Yup, it would've been a good idea to have advertised it here, too. Something to remember for next year! :cool:
Marco.
P.S great pics - thanks for sharing :)
brian2957
02-07-2015, 21:27
Yup , some good quality pictures and video from some of the troops . I would have loved to have gone but was nightshift the night before , so thanks from me too :)
I'm curious about the use of a 20p coin in the Van den Hul (?) room. :scratch: I used to have to use a two bob coin on the arm of my record player back in the mid '60s, to get it to track some LPs. (Didn't do the LPs much good!)
Love the retro looks of the Thöress valve amplifiers, especially the pre-amp. :)
Yes, I was disapointed with the sounds in that room too.
I actually use AN J's at home, but older much lower spec versions. So I was very interested to hear the top spec ones.
I actually went back 3 times hoping to hear them sounding good, but it just didnt happen.
I know they are "supposed" to be in corners, but it just wasnt right to my ears and I wonder if they actually tried them "out a bit".
Possibly they have to stick with what they advertise, but it was such a shame.
I have to say otrhers liked them.
This is exactly the reason why l did not keep my pair of J's- had to pull the buggers right out in to the room.
Had a home demo of the latest J's and from the midrange up were incredible- but the bass- dear god, the AN rep who was sat next to me was very reluctant to pull them out into the room:scratch:. ( l was shopping for corner positioned speakers at the time.)
I'm in the process of writing in my show report now - there are loads of pictures too:
http://www.audioflat.co.uk/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=475&p=6303#p6303
Good write up Mark. You visited a couple of rooms I didn't get to but pretty much agree with your comments on the systems we both heard.
Really pretty good write up indeed Mark. You say some things that really make sense to me having heard most of the stuff before in a lot of cases multiple times.
There's an honesty in it that you don't really get from the press.
jandl100
03-07-2015, 13:55
Excellent report and photos, Mark, many thanks - your thoughts on items such as the TAD and Brodmann speakers tie in very well with mine when heard elsewhere, so your report is just as good as my actually being there! :thumbsup:
Glad you enjoyed it chaps. Unfortunately it's in the nature of these shows that you only hear a short snippet of each room, or don't visit very many rooms. I do try to sit in a good (if not the best) position and if it sounds a bit odd I try a nearer or more distant seat. It's not always possible though. If it's music I'm really unfamiliar with its a bit tricky too - it can't be helped. Back in the day it used to be common to just traipse into a room, listen, and then file out with no input from the room hosts. Thankfully that is much less common now (with a couple of notable exceptions) and the people demonstrating are really friendly and helpful.
I think the problem the real press face is that they don't really want to risk annoying anyone and it means they end up not saying anything very much other than just a list of what was there. Also, by the time it gets printed the show was ages ago.
freefallrob
03-07-2015, 22:19
Good to bump into you again Mark, I hope you put those prizes to good use!;-).
Interesting report, many thanks for the effort you put into that:).
Nice to meet up Marco again for a quick catch up:)
It was a GREAT show, REALLY enjoyed it a lot!
Yes indeed on both counts, nice to see you too and the show, as a whole, was beyond criticism :).
I've slightly struggled to make use of all the prizes.... (There was a raffle at the end of the day - I won a USB lead and an ifi USB 'purifier' - I'm still not sure how to connect either to my phonostage).
FidelityArt
16-02-2016, 01:02
Hi guys,
Just a quick update.
Show is over two venues this year. Bus every hour from both venues. Both hotels will have decent rooms and lots of interesting gear.
I will keep you updated with the news.
Ta
navigator
16-02-2016, 08:10
It's a really large offering-2 hotels / shuttle etc. Ambitious and from my point of listening it will allow a more thorough listen in chosen rooms . The much vaunted new techy deck will be wished for but I guess too early yet to expect here. Lots of lovely kit to modernise the home listen will be outputting the benefits of a " new" listening experience..
Hi guys,
Just a quick update.
Show is over two venues this year. Bus every hour from both venues. Both hotels will have decent rooms and lots of interesting gear.
I will keep you updated with the news.
Ta
Hi Chris,
Thanks for the update. Which is the other venue then, apart from Cranage? :)
Marco.
FidelityArt
16-02-2016, 10:29
Hi Marco,
It's Wychwood Park with some great offers on golfing. Exclusive for show visitors.
1 Night 1 Round of Golf £109.00 per person Dinner, Bed & Breakfast based on 2 people sharing
1 Night 1 Round of Golf £144.00 per person Dinner, Bed & Breakfast based on 1 person in the room
Cool... So you mean here: http://www.deverevenues.co.uk/en/venues/wychwood-park/
Just thought it'd be useful to provide a link, so folks know where things are :) So what would you envisage the journey time to be, approximately, between both venues?
I'm only half and hour or so away from the respective hotels, so no need to stay over ;)
Marco.
They're about 20 minutes apart, Marco.
FidelityArt
16-02-2016, 12:59
They're about 20 minutes apart, Marco.
Yes, Martin.
Both 5min from M6. We will be encouraging visitors traveling from south to visit Wychwood Park first and those, traveling from north, to go to Cranage.
Easier for me as Wychwood is closer to home than Cranage.
There must be a lot to get through this year if there are two venues, as it wasn't easy to get round all of the rooms last year. Looking forward to it.
FidelityArt
16-02-2016, 13:17
Opening hours are 9.30am till 7pm this year.
Easier for me as Wychwood is closer to home than Cranage.
There must be a lot to get through this year if there are two venues, as it wasn't easy to get round all of the rooms last year. Looking forward to it.
If you want, I'll come and get you in Stoke and we can shoot straight to Cranage, then do Wychwood, and I'll drop you back home afterwards. No need for any buses! :cool:
Marco.
No problemo... It's a piece of piss getting to yours and back, so six and half for me. Last time I left your gaff, I was back home in 35 mins! :eyebrows:
Marco.
That's why Stoke is Britain's premier distribution hub :)
Lol... When it comes to haring round those country roads, on the stretch of road from Nantwich to Wrexham, I think having a fast car with sports suspension helps! ;)
Marco.
Ever thought of a hekofacopter gunship ;)
Great idea - would be handy for blowing away the snail-paced 'fart about fannies', who often get in my way and hold me back! :guns:
Marco.
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