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Tim
13-03-2014, 10:43
Just picked this up from a local charity shop after spotting it in their van on Monday.

I was walking home from shopping and I always check the charity shops for compact discs and saw a van with its doors open outside. I could see a record deck inside, so I took a closer look and realised what it was. I went into the shop and asked about it, but they said it was not for sale yet as it had to be PAT tested, but would be available later. The driver gave me a number to call at their main depot to make enquiries. Anyway, long story short, I just collected it and it was a bargain.

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w63/greatgig/folder6_zps5b2f8f7c.jpg (http://s173.photobucket.com/user/greatgig/media/folder6_zps5b2f8f7c.jpg.html)

Just need to work out what to do with it now, I think its for playing those round black things like the one in the picture above :scratch:

Ali Tait
13-03-2014, 10:56
Nah, load of old rubbish mate, I'll give ye a fiver for it.

MartinT
13-03-2014, 10:57
Hells bells, Tim, what a great find. You'll have to pop back to the charity shop now as it looks like you've only got one single - and it's Jim Reeves :eek:

Seriously, well done!

hifi_dave
13-03-2014, 11:03
FFS I visit out seven charity shops regularly and have never found any Hi-Fi or anything remotely resembling Hi-Fi. I've never even found an LP worth buying !!!

Tim
13-03-2014, 11:10
Hells bells, Tim, what a great find. You'll have to pop back to the charity shop now as it looks like you've only got one single - and it's Jim Reeves :eek:
I have about 150 LP albums left from my original collection and have been buying more at gigs and Record Store days too, so I have a modest collection.

chris@panteg
13-03-2014, 11:11
Incredible !!!

keiths
13-03-2014, 11:18
Bloody Nora. :stalks: Well done Tim - don't forget to do the lottery this weekend.

Tim
13-03-2014, 11:30
Nah, load of old rubbish mate, I'll give ye a fiver for it.
Hmmm, let me get back to you on that Ali ;)

Audio Al
13-03-2014, 11:36
Well done ,

Result :)

Ali Tait
13-03-2014, 12:26
Hmmm, let me get back to you on that Ali ;)


:D Well done, looks in very good nick from the photos. Give it a good service and you should be good to go.

Beobloke
13-03-2014, 13:35
Nicely done - great find!

So, go on then - how much?! ;)

John
13-03-2014, 17:39
Great find Tim Looks in pretty good condition too

Marco
13-03-2014, 17:41
Nice one, Tim - you do realise that this is the start of the slippery slope! :eyebrows: :eyebrows:

;)

Marco.

The Black Adder
13-03-2014, 17:43
Your Jammier than Mad Jam McJam won the jam flinging contest in a 'make your own Jam' contest one Midsummer morning.

The Barbarian
13-03-2014, 17:47
Yum yum Tim. However my greatest find ever was Cash Convertors a pair of Audiomater 'LS3/5a' for £21.00 with some original chrome tublar stands..

John
13-03-2014, 19:48
yes those plinths look nice and you right getting it restored Audio Grail look like they do a fantastic job
My brother who works as a builder (usually quite rich clients) was given some nice Aurum Cantus floorstanders for free as the guy was going to throw them out

Tarzan
13-03-2014, 21:31
Well done Tim a truly superb find Sir!- However we do need to know the cost so we can doth our caps further to your good self.

Barry
13-03-2014, 21:48
Hells bells Tim - what a find! :eek:

You have made all of us green with envy. Now make us sick with envy and tell us how little you paid for it!

Nah only joking, seriously though, well done regarding your piece of serendipity. :)

Alex_UK
13-03-2014, 22:48
My gast has been well and truly flabbered - an amazing find in that condition at any money, and once fettled will do justice to your vinyl collection. Welcome to the 401 club buddy!

Tim
13-03-2014, 22:52
Welcome to the 401 club buddy!
I like the sound of that :D

Andrei
13-03-2014, 23:06
So, go on then - how much?! ;)
If you gonna play coy I will force you to listen to Diana Krall and that's no idler threat.

Spectral Morn
13-03-2014, 23:24
Hate to rain on your parade but the reality is you knew what this was, what it was worth in that condition, so essentially you have cheated a charity out of funds. Sorry to be blunt but that is what has occurred unless you paid them a fair price for it, if you did then fair enough. If not :(

Its a bit different to find something wrongly priced in a retail environment, say an antique shop where they should know what they are doing but didn't. Bargains like that are a delight to find but charity shops is a fine line to walk along.

I know I am not going to be popular saying that but that's what I think.


Regards Neil

DaveK
13-03-2014, 23:33
I'm inclined to agree with Neil but a get out clause would be if you paid them more than they were asking, more in line with the 'proper' price. I reckon, particularly these days, that the charity shops need the maximum support we can afford rather than the minimum we can get away with.
Just my opinion.
Dave.

Tim
13-03-2014, 23:41
Well they actually offered it to me for nothing as they couldn't test it without any leads and were going to throw it away because it was an electrical item, I made a donation but I see your point and its a fair one. I did know what it was, but didn't know its worth until today however, so I agree and will have to give this some further thought.

PaulStewart
13-03-2014, 23:43
Hate to rain on your parade but the reality is you knew what this was, what it was worth in that condition, so essentially you have cheated a charity out of funds. Sorry to be blunt but that is what has occurred unless you paid them a fair price for it, if you did then fair enough. If not :(

Its a bit different to find something wrongly priced in a retail environment, say an antique shop where they should know what they are doing but didn't. Bargains like that are a delight to find but charity shops is a fine line to walk along.

I know I am not going to be popular saying that but that's what I think.


Regards Neil

Frankly Neil I think that is an outrageous assertion, leaving aside the fact that charity shops and indeed charities are just businesses these days, if you pay what is asked that's the deal. Don't castigate Tim for taking advantage of good fortune, big charities are just corporations like any others, they just sell the chance to massage your conscience.

walpurgis
13-03-2014, 23:52
Frankly Neil I think that is an outrageous assertion, leaving aside the fact that charity shops and indeed charities are just businesses these days, if you pay what is asked that's the deal. Don't castigate Tim for taking advantage of good fortune, big charities are just corporations like any others, they just sell the chance to massage your conscience.

I'm inclined to agree. We all like a bargain anyway and I personally am not a fan of 'charities'. They always seem to have nice plush offices at their HQs and the directors all drive home in expensive cars.

The Grand Wazoo
13-03-2014, 23:53
.......so essentially you have cheated a charity out of funds.

Since you weren't party to the transaction and Tim's not telling what occurred, you're rather out on a limb there because you're assuming something happened that may, or may not have. If you pay someone the price that they are asking, then how does that constitute a fraudulent act? If Tim hadn't happened along, they would have put a price tag on it, and someone else would have bought it, would they not?

Charity shops are in business because of a mindset that they are only too happy to take advantage of: that the customers walk through the door hoping to find a bargain - that's how it works. Sometimes they make more than an item might be worth elsewhere and sometimes not. Sometimes things sell quickly because they are keenly priced and sometimes they sit on a shelf for years because no-one wants to pay the asking price. Contrary to common belief, the price that a particular article may sell for on Ebay is not 'what it is worth' when it's not on Ebay! There will be other Garrard 401's sat on shelves elsewhere at good prices, but 'we' haven't found them yet!



EDIT: Several posts occurred since starting to type mine, but I hold to the principle of what I say here.

The Barbarian
14-03-2014, 00:01
Enjoy it tim what ever you got it for..no buisness of anyones.

Andrei
14-03-2014, 01:07
If you gonna play coy I will force you to listen to Diana Krall and that's no idler threat.
I withdraw my implicit request. I withdraw my utterly unfounded and vile threat. I apologize to you, your children, your servants, your servant's bridge partners and all those who have read this thread. Let the record show that I do not wish to know how much you paid for it.

Tim
14-03-2014, 07:54
OK, lets put this into some perspective as I have thought about this and don't agree with your comments Neil. The deck was taken back to the main depot and couldn't be PAT tested as they had no way of checking it with its fitted round pin connectors. Had I not made any enquiries or spotted it in the van, it would have gone from the depot down to the tip. Over the phone they said I could just have it as they couldn't sell it, but if I wanted to, I could make a 'voluntary donation'. When I picked it up an amount was suggested and I doubled it and they were very happy. I also gave more than the asking price for a bunch of other stuff I picked up, telling them to keep the change.

I intend on going back to the local shop today and making a further 'anonymous donation' as there is some merit to what you say and I'm not totally heartless, so I think I have been fair and as Chris says, an items worth is what you are willing to pay for it, not what somebody thinks they can get on something like eBay. So its not as big a bargain as it was yesterday, but still a good price for something that is going to require a lot of further investment.

I'm happy to see it go to good use and brought back to life again, instead of potentially ending up as a pile of junk rotting on a landfill or broken up for scrap wood and metal. Additionally, what I have now donated in total is my business to be frank and I'm also a very regular contributor to charity shops as well as a purchaser, so save me the lectures on morality please.

Would anyone here really have done anything different?

Tarzan
14-03-2014, 08:52
No you are correct Tim- good luck to you, Charity shops are ever so slightly beginning to take liberties with their pricing and curiously are springing quicker than Tesco Express ( and believe me that is quick), nice to find a bargain.:)

DaveK
14-03-2014, 09:04
I just compiled a 'well done, no problem' post and then it disappeared when I tried to post it. Not going to do it all again so good luck to you with the project.
Dave.

MartinT
14-03-2014, 09:51
You have been more than fair, Tim.

Marco
14-03-2014, 10:16
Enjoy it tim what ever you got it for..no buisness of anyones.

I completely agree. Besides, has anyone seen the ridiculous prices that Oxfam are charging for Max Bygraves [insert your other chosen old pap here] records these days? Someone's got to fight back!! ;)

Marco.

Spectral Morn
14-03-2014, 10:29
Having worked once for well below minimum wage (my choice as I saw this as a year of community/good cause work and that was more important) for a year as a stock collector, driver etc for a cancer charity my thoughts on this are different.

Yes one can make all sorts of complaints re bad organisation, poorly laid out shops and occasional price hiccups where items are over priced etc but the bottom line in my view is these charities do a great deal of good in the community and beyond and supporting them, aiding that is vital and in away that is more important.

I knew my opinion would be at odds with others expressed, and I would be raining on Tim's parade to a degree and the comment would be about as popular as a fart in a spacesuit but I felt this needed saying.

Kember
14-03-2014, 10:31
No you are correct Tim- good luck to you, Charity shops are ever so slightly beginning to take liberties with their pricing and curiously are springing quicker than Tesco Express ( and believe me that is quick), nice to find a bargain.:)

Hmm. This is a difficult one. I'd better pick my words carefully. I don't want to be cynical but many of the biggest charities, I suspect, exist simply to continue existing and to provide employment for their staff. I stopped giving to Amnesty, for example, when some petty internal squabble left them paying a senior member of staff several hundred thousand pounds of donor's money to get shot of them/compensation for unfair dismissal.

Worse, in many cases, these charities are not terribly effective in improving the lot of the people they claim to serve and the effects of their fundraising are often detrimental to the communities in which they operate. In the case of things like the Oxfam bookshops, they use the goodwill, their subsidy and free labour (they don't pay rates and don't need to pay many wages) to drive small businesses (other second hand and small bookshops) out of business. We lose genuine and worthwhile resources in small country towns and suburbs every week but it's OK because it's charidee. I know Amazon et al are doing a good job of applying competitive pressures anyway, and we need to move with the times, but it seems bloody odd for charities to use unfair competition to deprive people of their livings here in the name of providing them elsewhere.

But then, when you see how much of their income actually goes on good causes and how much is swallowed up on admin, adverts and swanky offices, it rather suggests that many of the big charities in this country lost sight of their purpose some time ago. I'm very careful which shops I use and which charities I support.

P

Spectral Morn
14-03-2014, 10:40
Hmm. This is a difficult one. I'd better pick my words carefully. I don't want to be cynical but many of the biggest charities, I suspect, exist simply to continue existing and to provide employment for their staff. I stopped giving to Amnesty, for example, when some petty internal squabble left them paying a senior member of staff several hundred thousand pounds of donor's money to get shot of them/compensation for unfair dismissal.

Worse, in many cases, these charities are not terribly effective in improving the lot of the people they claim to serve and the effects of their fundraising are often detrimental to the communities in which they operate. In the case of things like the Oxfam bookshops, they use the goodwill, their subsidy and free labour (they don't pay rates and don't need to pay many wages) to drive small businesses (other second hand and small bookshops) out of business. We lose genuine and worthwhile resources in small country towns and suburbs every week but it's OK because it's charidee. I know Amazon et al are doing a good job of applying competitive pressures anyway, and we need to move with the times, but it seems bloody odd for charities to use unfair competition to deprive people of their livings here in the name of providing them elsewhere.

But then, when you see how much of their income actually goes on good causes and how much is swallowed up on admin, adverts and swanky offices, it rather suggests that many of the big charities in this country lost sight of their purpose some time ago. I'm very careful which shops I use and which charities I support.

P

Fair comments to a degree and I agree in part but to tar all with the same brush is wrong as is a 'F the charities, slap it up them attitude' being expressed (not by you). Many charities do need to refocus, improve but to be honest this sort of thinking takes away from the core which is helping people, saving lives etc.

I work in a S/H bookshop, with staff who need paid, we pay rates etc and we do to a degree suffer at the hands of the charity shops who also sell books but that doesn't stop us donating overstocks (not tat) to local charity shops and redirecting unwanted books to charity shops.

There is such a thing as the greater good, over and above self.

Kember
14-03-2014, 10:51
Fair comments and I agree but to tar all with the same brush is wrong as is a 'F the charities, slap it up them attitude' being expressed.

There is such a thing as the greater good, over and above self.

Neil,

I don't disagree with any of that. There are lots of good, effective and worthwhile charities which should be supported. I just think people need to be careful who they trust and what good is actually being done. I don't give my stuff to Oxfam but I do to Barnado's, Hospice charities etc.

Re books, my gripe was not about charity shops selling second hand books but specialist second hand bookshops being set up and destroying the competition by unfair means.

P

snapper
14-03-2014, 10:55
Looks great Tim. Enjoy your purchase.

And don't ever feel guilty about getting a bargain from a charity shop.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10224104/30-charity-chiefs-paid-more-than-100000.html

Spectral Morn
14-03-2014, 10:59
Neil,

I don't disagree with any of that. There are lots of good, effective and worthwhile charities which should be supported. I just think people need to be careful who they trust and what good is actually being done. I don't give my stuff to Oxfam but I do to Barnado's, Hospice charities etc.

Re books, my gripe was not about charity shops selling second hand books but specialist second hand bookshops being set up and destroying the competition by unfair means.

P

Charities get tens of thousands of books and the only way to deal with that is to set up bookshops and yes its not a level playing field re what I am involved in re rates, tax etc but I won't begrudge charityshops raising as much money as they can to help others. I buy in charity shops regularly, clothes, bric a brac, books etc and I have from time to time paid a bit more (I weigh up what I think a thing is worth and either buy or not) than might be ideal but I have viewed this as a wee extra donation and I am happy re that.


Regards Neil

Macca
14-03-2014, 12:48
'However, The Daily Telegraph can disclose that Sir Nick Young, the chief executive of the British Red Cross, saw his pay jump by 12 per cent to £184,000 since 2010, despite a one per cent fall in the charity’s donations and a three per cent fall in revenues.'

Two little words:

Gravy.

Train.

Wakefield Turntables
15-03-2014, 16:40
Ive just seen this thread, well done mate.

Tim
17-03-2014, 17:01
Ive just seen this thread, well done mate.
I'm very pleased with it and I see you have a 301? I plan to fully restore the 401 as well, as its a keeper.

A question for Neil too, as you have accused me of being a cheat?

Lets say you saw the same thing for sale in a Charity shop and they had for arguments sake a £50.00 price tag on it and they were selling it with absolutely no assurances that it worked and you had absolutely no comeback to the shop after you walked out the door with it. Would you hand over the money and walk away with it or would you say to them, "Well I think that's too cheap, here take some more money"

What would you have done Neil?

Wakefield Turntables
17-03-2014, 17:11
Tim

If you have a look in the "idlevice" section you will find my full log of my 301. I was in a similar situation to yourself. I was offered what looked like a 301 (it was!), a SME 309 and a shure v iii MM for £150. I paid my money and walked away. I spent the next year and a bit doing my 301 up, and roughly £1K later I have a top notch idler. I sold a few bits to keep costs down, I've called in a few favours, and been lucky. Good luck with your purchase mate and I only hope you get as much enjoyment as I did when I restoring mine. I'm 99.5% finished with mine, now I'm just tinkering. The latest "tweak" has been the addition of some pure silver cartridge leads and tags. I may be getting a new platter and MC depending if the price is right :eyebrows:

Regards

A

Gordon Steadman
17-03-2014, 17:17
I am exceedingly jealous.

If I had been in your situation I would have done exactly the same thing, you had no idea if it worked or not and they got more than they expected. You both won and you were not doing anyone out of anything. Just good fortune.

I still lament the fact that I left a 301 in my landlord's garage only to find it 'removed' when I went back for it. In spite of all the so called advances, I still think it was the best TT I have ever heard.

Tim
17-03-2014, 17:18
That's around what I am expecting to pay and it will be a long term project, no rush actually as I have nowhere to put it until I move on my retirement next year. I know pretty much what I want plinth wise and I'm thinking of a full restore by Audio Grail, just need to decide about the arm now, do I buy a new one like a Jelco, or restore upgrade the SME 3009 :scratch:

Haselsh1
17-03-2014, 17:21
A very well done to that man. I bet your said charity shop is one of those that tries to charge a fiver for a Phil Collins album...?

;)

Haselsh1
17-03-2014, 17:23
There is nothing to answer here. The man got what he wanted and paid money for it. I call that a fair exchange.

Tim
17-03-2014, 17:24
I still lament the fact that I left a 301 in my landlord's garage only to find it 'removed' when I went back for it. In spite of all the so called advances, I still think it was the best TT I have ever heard.
Ouch, that's a shame to 'lose' one Gordon.

I really like that's it quite old (its an early model, probably late 60's) and the fact I have saved it from the tip. If you believed in fate you might think it was meant for me?

I'm going to end up with quite an interesting system as this will sit alongside my FLAC music server, Quad amplification and Harbeth speakers, so a mix of the old and new. My Rega system will go into the study when I move.

John
17-03-2014, 17:40
Its great to able to both types of playback systems
You be surprised just how much drive a 401 has

losenotaminute
17-03-2014, 19:12
Kudos on rescuing a very nice TT from the tip.

I'm in two minds about the system of charity shops etc, but found this very interesting:

http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_pallotta_the_way_we_think_about_charity_is_dea d_wrong

My initial reaction was "no that can't be right" but after thinking about it I'm not so sure.

PaulStewart
17-03-2014, 20:47
That's around what I am expecting to pay and it will be a long term project, no rush actually as I have nowhere to put it until I move on my retirement next year. I know pretty much what I want plinth wise and I'm thinking of a full restore by Audio Grail, just need to decide about the arm now, do I buy a new one like a Jelco, or restore upgrade the SME 3009 :scratch:

Hi Tim

In Dorset you are not that far from Loricraft who are in my opinion the experts on Garrard re-manufacturing. As you may know they own the rights to the Garrard name these days. They are based in Lambourn and in their works they still have the original test and set up gear from the Swindon factory. On the question of upgrading the arm Sonik Sirckle do this mod http://www.soniksircle.co.uk/tonearm.html (http://www.soniksircle.co.uk/tonearm.html) which sounds very good indeed, well worth checking out.

Cheers

Tim
17-03-2014, 20:52
In Dorset you are not that far from Loricraft who are in my opinion the experts on Garrard re-manufacturing. As you may know they own the rights to the Garrard name these days. They are based in Lambourn and in their works they still have the original test and set up gear from the Swindon factory. On the question of upgrading the arm Sonik Sirckle do this mod http://www.soniksircle.co.uk/tonearm.html (http://www.soniksircle.co.uk/tonearm.html) which sounds very good indeed, well worth checking out.

Cheers
Fantastic, many thanks Paul - I have read a bit about Loricraft, but only in the last few days - I shall do some more research and maybe take a drive over there. Thanks for the arm tip too.

dantheman91
17-03-2014, 21:05
Which charity shop........??
Assuming your still local......

YOU LUCKY SOD.......:yesbruv:

Tim
17-03-2014, 21:27
Which charity shop........??
It's the one just down the road from here ;)

dantheman91
17-03-2014, 21:44
It's the one just down the road from here ;)


Hmmmmm:lol:

nat8808
17-03-2014, 21:46
I'm very pleased with it and I see you have a 301? I plan to fully restore the 401 as well, as its a keeper.


It's one that's close to a 301 anyway being an early one with the flat strobe light thing. Don't really know why people pay so much for a 301 over a 401 myself as there's really not much difference!

Only problem you have now Tim is how it completely ruins everything you stand for (in my eyes, on this forum) which is a minimalist system with your FAB FBA computer... Sorry but your reputation will now be shot!

Tim
17-03-2014, 22:11
Only problem you have now Tim is how it completely ruins everything you stand for (in my eyes, on this forum) which is a minimalist system with your FAB FBA computer... Sorry but your reputation will now be shot!
Hahaha, don't shoot me just yet - I have no intention of this replacing FBA as my main source, its an 'add on' so I can play my prized few remaining LP's from the 70's. I also like to buy albums occasionally if available at shows signed by the artists and rarities from record store days, so I need a TT of some sort and as I am now used to a certain (high) standard of sound from a good FBA system, any old TT just wouldn't do.

I have, as Marco will attest to, always intended to buy a TT for when I retire so I can cover all my musical bases, but it will still be minimal and I sold my Hi-Fi rack a few weeks back, so you won't see much more than the TT on a sleek sideboard, all the rest of the gubbings will be hidden away . . . minimal and tidy is the only way for me ;)

Kember
17-03-2014, 22:21
you won't see much more than the TT on a sleek sideboard, all the rest of the gubbings will be hidden away . . . minimal and tidy is the only way for me ;)

Captain Tidy, indeed. Famous last words...you'll have snagged a 301 next, a Thorens, a Lenco and about twenty tonearms and cartridges, two plinth projects on the go...screwdrivers and spanners everywhere..an RCM blowing up a gale. Bags full of charity shop finds...mark my words

P

Tim
17-03-2014, 22:24
:rfl:

Funnily enough that's kind of what Marco said about a year ago when I told him I intended to get a TT one day ....

Spectral Morn
17-03-2014, 23:46
I'm very pleased with it and I see you have a 301? I plan to fully restore the 401 as well, as its a keeper.

A question for Neil too, as you have accused me of being a cheat?

Lets say you saw the same thing for sale in a Charity shop and they had for arguments sake a £50.00 price tag on it and they were selling it with absolutely no assurances that it worked and you had absolutely no comeback to the shop after you walked out the door with it. Would you hand over the money and walk away with it or would you say to them, "Well I think that's too cheap, here take some more money"

What would you have done Neil?

Sorry missed this earlier.

Yes I would have paid more, weighing up how much a service, replacement parts might be etc if it wasn't working, but based on the photos you had up I doubt you will have much to do to get it up and running and the arm alone has reasonable value.

I have run this scenario passed quite a few people since you posted your pictures, to gauge their reaction to my views, and it looks like I am pretty much on my own by the looks of it but I am comfortable with that.


Regards Neil

sonddek
19-03-2014, 14:27
I got my two Garrards for free. After reading this thread, I see that I'm going to have to sell them both, despite the hundreds of hours of work I've done on them, and sell my clothes too, and wear sack cloth, and give the proceeds to worthier beneficiaries than myself.

Enjoy your find! Garrards frequently change hands for a few quid or nothing at all. There is no official price, and the market will survive. If you sell it for great profit, consider putting a few bob in the collection on Sunday, if you can afford it.

The Barbarian
19-03-2014, 15:30
Can i just say that used equipment is worth what it sells for it's as simple as that. something i cannot abide is people saying things are worth this that & the other.

This is what makes my blood boil regarding obscure record collecting for one. A genuine hobby like collecting records is single handedly destroyed by fabricated text book used prices.

Audioman
19-03-2014, 17:15
Can i just say that used equipment is worth what it sells for it's as simple as that. something i cannot abide is people saying things are worth this that & the other.

This is what makes my blood boil regarding obscure record collecting for one. A genuine hobby like collecting records is single handedly destroyed by fabricated text book used prices.

The problem is not book prices but a well known auction site. Just because people pay £400 for a battered 401 on there doesn't mean one is obliged to pay that amount. Equipment regularly sells on this forum for well under Epay prices.

Tim
19-03-2014, 17:33
If you sell it for great profit . . . . .
Nope Richard, I have no intention of selling this at all and its going to get a full restoration - I'm planning it already and will start a separate restoration thread once work gets underway. This, like my Harbeth SHL5's is a keeper until I check out of here, I think the phrase is 'out of my cold dead fingers' ;)

Yup André, I totally agree, any commodity is only worth what the buyer is willing to pay for it and what the seller is willing to let it go for and I'm totally content with that.

Audioman
19-03-2014, 18:08
Nope Richard, I have no intention of selling this at all and its going to get a full restoration - I'm planning it already and will start a separate restoration thread once work gets underway. This, like my Harbeth SHL5's is a keeper until I check out of here, I think the phrase is 'out of my cold dead fingers' ;)

Yup André, I totally agree, any commodity is only worth what the buyer is willing to pay for it and what the seller is willing to let it go for and I'm totally content with that.

If it was me I would send it to Audiograil. Look at their Youtube videos. There are certain operations they do that are beyond the DIYer which include removing rivets. Their 301s sounded great at Scalford. Appears to need no cosmetic work which is the most time consuming part.

Tim
19-03-2014, 18:11
If it was me I would send it to Audiograil.
;)

Wakefield Turntables
19-03-2014, 19:45
There are certain operations they do that are beyond the DIYer which include removing rivets. Their 301s sounded great at Scalford.

This is easy with the correct drill bit and a drill with high power at lower torque. Getting the correct rivets might be a little tricky.

nat8808
27-03-2014, 13:37
This is easy with the correct drill bit and a drill with high power at lower torque. Getting the correct rivets might be a little tricky.

But you can find the right kind of 1 or 2 ton press on ebay for a few tenners if you do find the right rivets.

That's the thing with services like AudioGrail - ignoring the experience and expertese built up over doing so many - much of the stumbling block for doing it yourself is with finding the right parts and methods and tools and outside contractors (for replating the linkages and for sand or water blasting and respraying the main deck). Once they are discovered though, you're on your way to doing a similar job. But, then it's a matter of what your time is worth v the hours to do it - often works out better to get the expert in.

Then again, I guess that's how AudioGrail started by a desire to do it himself and then turned it into a business. Doesn't really have any competition.

I would like to get an ultrasonic bath though for cleaning all sorts of moving parts in turntables.

Ali Tait
27-03-2014, 14:03
Dom at NWA has an ultrasonic bath.

Kember
27-03-2014, 14:08
Dom at NWA has an ultrasonic bath.

Ali

For some reason, the "jacuzzi" scene from Trading Places with Eddie Murphy in the bath came to mind :). Time to get back to work, methinks.

P

Wakefield Turntables
27-03-2014, 15:18
Dom at NWA has an ultrasonic bath.

Yes and there are plenty of threads over on DIYAUDIO on how to also use the US cleaner as a record cleaning machine, so, it could have dual funcitonality and save lots of money with not having to purchase a dedicated RCM. ;)

Ali Tait
27-03-2014, 15:20
Ali

For some reason, the "jacuzzi" scene from Trading Places with Eddie Murphy in the bath came to mind :). Time to get back to work, methinks.

P

:lol:

Dr Henry Jones
16-04-2017, 11:55
Who watches black adder then!