God's Own Electronics!!

[The Grand Wazoo]

I thought you guys should see this............

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/2308/manwoman.jpg

[Mick Parry]

Chaps

This sort of stupid brain dead drivel is only funny if you have an IQ three pionts lower than a poodle and even then, only after the age of 8.

There is simply no need to be offensive to 50% of the population.

It would be interesting if The Grand Wazoo could advise us of his IQ quotient.

I suspect it is in single figures.

Regards

Mick

[DSJR]

But who is it insulting Mick? ;)

Being more than a bit Aspergic, I find the top box with it's off or on switch a bit too close to home. I could do with some adjustment controls myself and have had to learn to be flexible the hard way (most of "you" do these things by instinct which "we" don't have).

[Ali Tait]

Well I think it's funny and I passed the Mensa entrance exam(Not that that means much).Offensive to which half of the population exactly?? It could be taken either way if you are as narrow-minded as some people seem to be.

[Mick Parry]

Chaps

If you had put that in a workplace, you could expect to be severely reprimanded and for good reason.

Sexism is dull, corny and witless as well as offensive.

Regards

Mick

[Marco]

Mick,

I thought TGW's post was highlighting how complex and challenging a woman's mind is and how difficult we as men find it to understand them, no? ;)

Marco.

[muffinman]

Go on then Mick,
Who does it offend and why?
Or is it as offensive to both men and women
FYI my wife is an 'equalities and diversity officer' and sees no reason why it would cause offence to either sex
However, Wazzers 'Gods own electronics' title puts him on hallowed ground as it were.

[Mick Parry]

Go on then Mick,
Who does it offend and why?
Or is it as offensive to both men and women
FYI my wife is an 'equalities and diversity officer' and sees no reason why it would cause offence to either sex
However, Wazzers 'Gods own electronics' title puts him on hallowed ground as it were.

Muffinman

If you really need to ask then there is no point in replying.

I think someone should invite Anna Tooth as a moderator, she certainly slapped down sexist drivel.

Regards

Mick

[Marco]

Do you have her phone number, Mick?

Marco.

[Mick Parry]

Do you have her phone number, Mick?


Yes but I have promised not to pass it on to you.

Regards

Mick

[muffinman]

Muffinman

If you really need to ask then there is no point in replying.

I think someone should invite Anna Tooth as a moderator, she certainly slapped down sexist drivel.

Regards

Mick

Surely the fact that i need to ask would give someone with such high ideals as yourself the opportunity to point a philistine such as i in the right direction.
I'm afraid i have the ability to form an opinion though, so it may be tough going for you.
no reply needed

[Marco]

Yes but I have promised not to pass it on to you.

Regards

Mick

Hehe... Smart move, old chap. I'm not to be trusted with such things :eyebrows:

Marco.

[Mick Parry]

I actually have Anne Widdecome's number. I might pass that onto you for a small consideration.

[Beechwoods]

Am I caught in the middle of someone's private joke?

[Spectral Morn]

I thought you guys should see this............

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/2308/manwoman.jpg



Top item is a Power amplifier and the bottom a FULLY FUNCTIONAL pre-amplifier, which adjusts for everything you can think of and many things you can't. And to make it fun nothing is labeled.... ;)

Could be new designs from Dartzel-Pleasure nose, Fun etc.....New design has the Man and Woman and a new coupling device.....


Regards D S D L---Neil :)


PS my wife thinks its fine...in fact she thinks that men can be more like the bottom item....I tend to agree with her. Its a myth that we are simple. In fact we men should be offended...:lolsign:

Hi Nick I suspect the answer is YES.

[Chris]

While you´re at it, I wouldn´t mind Angelina Jolie´s number. has she given you her new one ? I´ve only got the old Vodafone one.

[The Grand Wazoo]

Right then, first of all I am not sexist.......anything but.

Secondly, I don't know my IQ, but I certainly would never make a judgement about anyone else's.

Thirdly, organised religion leaves me cold, but I respect everyone's right to worship whatever, or whoever they choose.

[The Grand Wazoo]

If IQ's are to be questioned, it must be that of one who sees this as insulting to females.
It is quite clearly, as Neil points out, men who should be worried for what this might say about them.

For those who do not understand this simple concept I will explain: The title of the post was 'God's Own Electronics'.

That would imply, would it not, that women are finely tuned, sophisticated beings who have many degrees of subtlety.

While men have two settings: On or Off.

Is that so hard to see?

[Ali Tait]

You put it far more eloquently than I.Agreed 100 % btw.

[The Grand Wazoo]

Chaps

If you had put that in a workplace, you could expect to be severely reprimanded and for good reason.

Sexism is dull, corny and witless as well as offensive.

Regards

Mick

If this were so, I would be glad to be free of an employer who possessed similar powers of reasoning to you......and do you also think that use of the word which describes a board to write on with chalk in a classroom is offensive to some members of ethnic minorities?

Incidentally, how do you know I'm not a woman???

[Haselsh1]

I am incredibly on and off, yes and no, black and white so I kind of see where it is at. I wish to hell I had more of a set of tones controls for my personality. My problem but sometimes everyone elses. Ask the missus...

[Spectral Morn]

Hi Christine


:lolsign:


Regards D S D L---Neil

[Spectral Morn]

Hi Guys


This would be more deserving of the thread title ?


http://blog.audiovideointeriors.com/208great.1.jpg

http://blog.audiovideointeriors.com/images/archivesart/208great.2.jpg

http://blog.audiovideointeriors.com/images/archivesart/208great.3.jpg

http://blog.audiovideointeriors.com/images/archivesart/208great.4.jpg

http://blog.audiovideointeriors.com/images/archivesart/208great.5.jpg


Regards D S D L---Neil

[The Grand Wazoo]

Hi Christine


:lolsign:


Regards D S D L---Neil


Actually, sweetie it's Christina............and by the way I'm a sexist bitch.

AHEM..... (deep voice) ......Just kidding men!

[Primalsea]

Its called Triggers. Some people react badly to certain triggers irrationally because they wrongly associate certain words with something that they think must be insulting and lash out without considering what was actually communicated.

Its a complete nightmare as the people who do that often never listen or read anything properly and hardly ever think about anything comunicated to them.

Sorry if that sounds harsh but I have had experience of this in the past and it wasn't good.:steam:

[The Grand Wazoo]

Yes, & it's a shame that they almost never admit they're wrong when it's politely pointed out to them by several people, or apologise for the insults they so freely use.

Still, what do I know with my IQ of below 10?

Funny how they don't consider that sort of language to be offensive to people who are unfortunate enough to have a low IQ.

[Marco]

Guys, I think what should be made clear is that I know Mick of old (since I first started posting on forums in 2001) - 95% of what he writes is ironic and should be taken as such. He likes a wind-up and also never uses smilies ;)

Marco.

[The Grand Wazoo]

Guys, I think what should be made clear is that I know Mick of old (since I first started posting on forums in 2001) - 95% of what he writes is ironic and should be taken as such. He likes a wind-up and also never uses smilies ;)

Marco.

Well good for him. I like to wind people up too, but I try not to insult them - I thought that's what this place was about.

You guys wrote this, not me…………

I'll make mine short and sweet, the three categories of Ethos are as follows:


Arete; Virtuosity and goodness.

Eunoia; Goodwill to those you address.

Phronesis; Using wisdom and knowledge in a practical way.


I'll be using the above as guidelines for how I use this forum, I hope you'll agree.



Things we really like here:

Friendly people.

Differences of opinion discussed sensibly.

Pictures and lots of them!

Humorous banter.

Liberal use of the smilies.


Things we don't like here:

Defamatory comments about any manufacturers or dealers.

Defamatory comments about any other member of this forum or any other hi-fi forum.

'Willy waving' (i.e. boasting about one's system in a monetary value sense).

Swearing excessively. The occasional bit may slip thorough, but nobody wants to hear 'f this' and 'f that' all day long.

And no porn or links to porn please.

[Marco]

You're absolutely right, Chris - no argument.

It's just that Mick is a well-known 'character'. Do me a favour a make some allowances for him :)

Marco.

[Steve Toy]

We'll make a few allowances but not too many. I don't want to be accused of hypocrisy.

[Marco]

Indeed - totally agree :)

Marco.

[The Grand Wazoo]

I already have.
I don't need to say a thing - he does it so well himself.

But if someone you didn't know came on here & made comments like that how would you deal with it?

Like I said, they're your rules.

[anthonyTD]

hi all,
for what its worth i didnt see any valid reason for the reaction to what was obviously meant as something light hearted, that could have been taken either way, i guess it just brings into focus the way that diffrent people react to certain forms of humour, no right or wrong.
lets just leave it at that hey, lifes too short.:)
anthony...

[Marco]

But if someone you didn't know came on here & made comments like that how would you deal with it?


Oh no doubt very differently, Chris! Like I said though, Mick's a one-off.

Ask him about tea cosies, nice fountain pens, hunting & shooting, Naim gear, Garrard T/Ts, pinkos or Sarah Brightman and he'll be in his element :)

Marco.

[DSJR]

Having watched the "Blue Eyes-Brown Eyes" film for the first time this last week (which freaked me out...) I seem very sensitive to any prejudice and bias right now :(

[Beechwoods]

The original post simply played on an oft-remarked cliché and stereotype - about both sexes. The only thing that has made me wince when reading this thread have been in the comments in response.

It's not acceptable to personalise any attack against another member. AOS is a friendly forum. Let's keep it that way.

[Mick Parry]

Wazoo

Sorry for the delay in posting but I have been out for the night.

I do not think you are deliberately sexist but that posting of yours was the equivalent of say an irish joke. It may have been mild but it was sexist and insultuting to women.

Mild jokes feed nasty jokes that feed sterotypes and that is why such behaviour is frowned upon.

We have both had our say and I just hope you have a quiet think about it.

Regards

Mick

[The Grand Wazoo]

Wazoo

Sorry for the delay in posting but I have been out for the night.

I do not think you are deliberately sexist but that posting of yours was the equivalent of say an irish joke. It may have been mild but it was sexist and insultuting to women.

Mild jokes feed nasty jokes that feed sterotypes and that is why such behaviour is frowned upon.

We have both had our say and I just hope you have a quiet think about it.

Regards

Mick

What should I use to think with? I have no brain, remember.

[The Grand Wazoo]

Oh no doubt very differently, Chris! Like I said though, Mick's a one-off.

So, if you're a one-off, it's OK to insult people is it?

[Steve Toy]

Er, no. Mick shoots from the hip with everybody and I mean everybody.

Mick, it might be an idea to read the ethos of our gentlemen's club of which you are a valued member. We do believe in being as nice to each other as you would face to face.

[The Grand Wazoo]

Wazoo

Sorry for the delay in posting but I have been out for the night.

I do not think you are deliberately sexist but that posting of yours was the equivalent of say an irish joke. It may have been mild but it was sexist and insultuting to women.

Mild jokes feed nasty jokes that feed sterotypes and that is why such behaviour is frowned upon.

We have both had our say and I just hope you have a quiet think about it.

Regards

Mick

I'm sorry, but did you read this?


It is quite clearly, as Neil points out, men who should be worried for what this might say about them.

For those who do not understand this simple concept I will explain: The title of the post was 'God's Own Electronics'.

That would imply, would it not, that women are finely tuned, sophisticated beings who have many degrees of subtlety.

While men have two settings: On or Off.

Is that so hard to see?

Please don't lecture me on how ill feeling is promulgated by misunderstandings and their subsequent escalation (sorry, can you follow this argument so far, or are these 'IQ of below 10' words a bit hard for you to understand?). I have argued and made exactly that point with Marco here before, also about a joke. The difference in this case is that you are simply wrong about the premise of the original post.

I don't care that you don't understand the joke. I can't be responsible for the actions of someone who misunderstands my intent and I will never change my behaviour (deeds or words) in case someone is offended by what I never said in the first place. You see, this is because I also have principles.

What I do care about is that you resort to personal insult, and in doing so you exhibit exactly the discrimination that you are misguidedly criticising me for - except you seem to really mean it.

Apologise for your personal insults.

[Steve Toy]

I think the images of man/woman depicted by the simplistic and complex amplifiers are designed to make us reflect on notions of sex and gender stereotyping. The ensuing discussion is a good thing but the PC whistle-blowing is not. It is the stuff of Pinkos, Mick.

This is a work-safe forum and for that we do not need to be suffocatingly PC. I'm sure that the vast majority of workplaces are not run by the PC gestapo, therefore freedom of thought and expression still reign supreme.

[Mike]

LOL... I'm not going to be drawn into this 'political correctness' quagmire!

BUT!... I showed the pic in the OP to my wife and she said; "It's the wrong way round, the top one is woman and the bottom is man"

She then wandered off laughing. Make of that what you will! ;)

[DSJR]

LOL... I'm not going to be drawn into this 'political correctness' quagmire!

BUT!... I showed the pic in the OP to my wife and she said; "It's the wrong way round, the top one is woman and the bottom is man"

She then wandered off laughing. Make of that what you will! ;)

Well, if that's the case, then our better halves are very good at twiddling those knobs - :lolsign: :doh:

I'll get me coat...................:cool:

[The Grand Wazoo]

Incidentally, how do you know I'm not a woman???

Hopefully, given that you now see my interpretation of the joke, here's how you can test whether your outrage is justified.

Imagine that I am a woman & I posted that picture. Because I see it as an implied slur on the unsophisticated male of the species you should be offended at my sexist attitude.

So, are you offended?

If, so then I offer my unreserved apology for any offence caused.
But you're not offended are you?

I've said all I intend to now, but I still expect an apology.

[Mike]

Well, I'd known if she'd been offended. Honestly, I really would have known, she'd have made it damn clear with no uncertainty at all! :eyebrows:

But she just turned it on its head and laughed. That probably means something. ;)

[muffinman]

I thought it was a picture depicting how women provide support for men :)

.....and that's a truly lovely thing :peace:

[Marco]

I showed it to Del, too, and she just laughed, as she always does when I show her knobs ;)

Marco.

[muffinman]

I showed it to Del, too, and she just laughed, as she always does when I show her knobs ;)

Marco.

You disgust me

;)

[Marco]

I know, I'm a very bad boy... :eyebrows:

Marco.

[chris@panteg]

You could see it this way ' man can think of one thing at a time women can multi task !

[Spectral Morn]

You could see it this way ' man can think of one thing at a time women can multi task !

Hi Guys


I think that one is another myth. I must admit to being concerned and frustrated by modern societies attempts to pigeon hole Men and Women. Are we equal, in importance yes...in abilities ? No, how can we be. We are all different, with varying degrees of strength, mental ability, skills etc. To my mind it is daft to get caught up in what is ultimately an exercise of putting people into boxes. We are all individuals and no assumptions should be made about Men or Women their abilities and characters. Treat each other as we find each other, and enjoy the journey of discovery. I think we, both men and women are the victims of attempts at social engineering and the wiles of the marketing men and media. The agendas behind this I think are evident...is this kind of division good for the community as a whole...I would say NO.

On that last bit....I tend to agree with Chris. Just because someone is brusque and larger than life and deals with everyone the same...if they are rude and insulting and break the AUP then I don't think any excuse should be made for them. "Sorry thats the way they are" can't be used as a defence or a justification. I am not having a go at anyone in saying that...its just that the rules need to apply to all, and exceptions can't be made because of a members character. When on the net, we all need to be careful and thoughtful in what we post and if we have to fight with our natural tendencies to be........... fill in the blank, then thats what we have/must do.



Regards D S D L---Neil :)

[DSJR]

Mr DSDL sir, I can't even MONO task these days - my mind is going, I can feel it, I can feel it, I'm afraid, Stop Dave...........................


We're all different. Despite me being a long time member of the IAM, my wife is capable of better and more consistent driving than me, and when she was on form she didn't hang about either and could easily reverse into a tight parking space too!!!!!!! There's not a lot she can't do, self confidence being the killer (same for me I've found). I now like working with kids, yet twenty years ago I regarded youngsters as little disobediant brats.....

Takes all sorts in this world of ours I reckon!

[Spectral Morn]

Yes time is a factor in all this as well..we all, men and Women, find ourselves as a victim of aging. You are right about confidence...lack of such...self doubt can and does shackle many of us to mediocrity. Lack of belief in ones abilities (and this should never be arrogant)weakens us all.

Something else that was mentioned earlier....I for one think that things being to PC, can very much render many discussions to two dimensional ones. However what is said should be measured.


Regards D S D L----Neil :)

[Steve Toy]

Remember that we do not have an AUP. We have an ethos instead which focuses more on the spirit and intent of what we post rather than applying letter to the letter.

[Spectral Morn]

Fair point and an interesting distinction between an Ethos and a rigid AUP. It does give more freedom but with freedom comes more responsibility.



Regards D S D L---Neil :)

[Steve Toy]

Absolutely!

[Mick Parry]

Remember that we do not have an AUP. We have an ethos instead which focuses more on the spirit and intent of what we post rather than applying letter to the letter.


Steven

Once again apologies for the delayed response but I am going through a busy few days.

I am pleased to see you operate an ethos, one which one hopes, is based on treating women with respect.

Regards

Mick

[Mick Parry]

Wazoo

I have noticed that you are not filled with a sense of contrition and that should concern you.


Regards

Mick

[Marco]

I am pleased to see you operate an ethos, one which one hopes, is based on treating women with respect.


Only if their first names are Sarah, Ann or Anna ;)


Wazoo

I have noticed that you are not filled with a sense of contition and that should concern you.


Is there a typo in there somewhere or is that phrase only known in Swindon? :scratch:

Marco.

[The Grand Wazoo]

I have noticed that you are not filled with a sense of contrition and that should concern you.

As I said before:


I will never change my behaviour (deeds or words) in case someone is offended by what I never said in the first place.

As it was not intended as a slight upon the female sex, but more towards men (of whom I am one) and, coupled with comments by other posters reporting that several women have seen this & none have been offended, I fail to see how contrition is an appropriate response for me. If you feel otherwise, then please explain. Which women exactly are you defending?

Hopefully, you will also have noted that I have not resorted to insulting you or those of limited mental ability - unlike you.

I still await your apology.

[Mick Parry]

Wazoo

You will not receive an apology because you still show lack of contrition over a sexist posting.

The fact you have not shown contrition saddens me.

Regards

Mick

[Steve Toy]

Mick, his post was not sexist. You do owe him an apology.

[Mick Parry]

Steven

This particular joke was equivalent to an Irish joke but it still defines and promotes sterotypes which is unacceptable.

I am surprised that you of all people are defending this drivel as I thought more of you.

Regards

Mick

[The Grand Wazoo]

Steven

This particular joke was equivalent to an Irish joke but it still defines and promotes sterotypes which is unacceptable.

I am surprised that you of all people are defending this drivel as I thought more of you.

Regards

Mick

Were you aware that the vast majority of Irish jokes originate in Ireland? Both of my parents are Irish citizens, but I (& they) have never been offended by Irish jokes - and before you question my parents intellect, my mother is a retired doctor and my father is a world authority on hydro electric turbines.

So you are offended at the practice of stereotyping.
Let's cast around for a few examples of stereotyping shall we? Where shall we look?
Oh yes, look what I've found:


I did not attend the show because I thought the sounds would be crap just like the normal trade shows.


Better to have 500 good members than a load of morons.


I have been to three Hifi shows and that is enough to last me a life time.
The place is filled with bored reps, all stuffed into small rooms totally unfit for the purpose of demonstrating...


You are, however, proving my point that small hifi companies are poor at marketing their products


No commies or pinkos seem to be around and no bloody recommending the bodging up of Naim kit

Who were you defending when you posted these comments?
Who should be filled with contrition?
Who should apologise for handing out personal insults?

[Mick Parry]

Wazoo

Your post was sexist and well you know it.

It was infantile and inappropriate in this day and age.

If you genuinely cannot see that then you have a serious problem.

I insult fools on a regular basis because they are fools but I have never in my life made a sexist or racist insult to anyone. There is a difference.

Regards

Mick

[Mike]

Gents,

Please could we get over this and move on soon? :)

[Steve Toy]

Quite. Mick you are demonstrating a rather superficial understanding of sex and gender issues. The point about the amps is that the roles can be reversed as well as questioned. My wife (BSc (Hons) does not think it is sexist. She has other examples of images that challenge gender stereotyping that are probably slightly more provocative than the one above. Watch this space...

[The Grand Wazoo]

I challenge you to find a single female, who after reading my description of what I posted, truly believes that I am sexist.

When you find her, tell me what she says.
Then I will apologise to her & to all other women and I will request that the original posting be removed.

But first you can apologise to me for the insults.

[symon]

I insult fools on a regular basis because they are fools but I have never in my life made a sexist or racist insult to anyone. There is a difference.

Regards

Mick
This is an astonishing comment to make!
All it would take is to change the word "fool" for "women" to see the double standards being expressed here.
According to you it is acceptable to pillory people of limited or lower intelligence (than who? You?) but to make anything approaching a vaguely sexist joke is the end of the world.
So far, you have directly or indirectly insulted poodles, people of low or limited intelligence, and by implication any member of this forum who found the original post amusing. Your argument suggests that people with low IQs are sexist. Is this a particularly strong basis on which to make judgements regarding what is pc?

[Steve Toy]

Mike, this thread could run and run and may be moved to the off-topic area.

[Beechwoods]

I don't think it's doing anyone any favours as it is.

[Mike]

I't best move there anyway I think Steve, I'll see to it. ;)

[Mike]

I've moved this all over to here.

It might have been better posted in the 'Jokes & Funnies' section with hindsight, oh well.

[Mick Parry]

Steve

I have lost count of the sex and gender issue courses I have attended. I used to run a large dept with equal amounts of both sexes.

Believe me, Irish people get fed up with Irish jokes and women get fed up with sexist drivel, no matter how mild.

Regards

Mick

[The Grand Wazoo]

Steve

I have lost count of the sex and gender issue courses I have attended. I used to run a large dept with equal amounts of both sexes.

Believe me, Irish people get fed up with Irish jokes and women get fed up with sexist drivel, no matter how mild.

Regards

Mick

So, are you defending women and Irish people from being bored, or being offended?

[Steve Toy]

But Mick, this is not sexist drivel as everyone else on this thread has tried to explain to you. Perhaps if our women folk explained it to you instead, you might begin to understand.

[Mike]

The forum supports a 'private message' system you know, you two. ;)

[Marco]

Yup... Mick, I've been quite tolerant but I think you're going overboard with this one. Time to change the record now, old chap!

Marco.

[Mick Parry]

Marco

To be fair, I have only been responding to posts or questions from other people.

I think everyone knows each other position and I agree it is time to call it quits.

Regards

Mick

[Marco]

Nice one, and with that the discussion ends :)

Marco.