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Mike
10-06-2012, 08:27
I just fancy giving one a go, just for a laugh! :)

Where should I look? What's worth trying as an "entry level" sub that isn't crap? How much (or little!) should I think of spending? :scratch:

bobbasrah
10-06-2012, 08:39
I just fancy giving one a go, just for a laugh! :)

Where should I look? What's worth trying as an "entry level" sub that isn't crap? How much (or little!) should I think of spending? :scratch:

http://www.conrad-uk.com/ce/en/product/206210?WT.mc_id=googlebase?insert=8V

There are 2nd hand big ones, but they get pretty steep pricewise ;)

Mark Grant
10-06-2012, 08:57
We had some rain here but must have been bad in the North East if Mike needs a sub.

That sub looks a bit small Bob.

A Sevylor Pointer K1 is great for the price and might be more useful than a sub.
http://www.surfdome.com/sevylor_kayaks_-_sevylor_pointer_k1_yellow_&_black_kayak_-_1_person-65753

jon1
10-06-2012, 09:07
I just fancy giving one a go, just for a laugh! :)

Where should I look? What's worth trying as an "entry level" sub that isn't crap? How much (or little!) should I think of spending? :scratch:



Mike is it for the hifi side or things or hc?



jon

StanleyB
10-06-2012, 09:23
I got a JBL CS-300 that I am trying to get rid of but level entry it is not. Two 12" drivers and built in 200W amp makes it too much of a handful. My neighbours have forced me to stop using it. With its light fittings and window pane shaking ability I can understand their point of view :D.
But at about 40Kg it is not something I wish to lift up, let alone post.

bobbasrah
10-06-2012, 09:30
We had some rain here but must have been bad in the North East if Mike needs a sub.

That sub looks a bit small Bob.

A Sevylor Pointer K1 is great for the price and might be more useful than a sub.
http://www.surfdome.com/sevylor_kayaks_-_sevylor_pointer_k1_yellow_&_black_kayak_-_1_person-65753


:lol: True.... Used to play with GRP flat keel ones my dad made for us as kids. They have aged better than the 3 kids....
Reminds me with boats of that saying "Any ship can be a minesweeper.......once"

I presume Mike is looking for a subwoofer for Home Theatre use, and they can certainly add a fair bit of oomph in the areas most speakers just cannot reach, and there are many on the market from REL etc.. If there is a separate SW output from the Amp, this is ideal, but they are always difficult to match to speakers when it comes to music.... For video it is less an issue...

Mike
10-06-2012, 09:43
http://www.conrad-uk.com/ce/en/product/206210?WT.mc_id=googlebase?insert=8V

There are 2nd hand big ones, but they get pretty steep pricewise ;)


We had some rain here but must have been bad in the North East if Mike needs a sub.

That sub looks a bit small Bob.

A Sevylor Pointer K1 is great for the price and might be more useful than a sub.
http://www.surfdome.com/sevylor_kayaks_-_sevylor_pointer_k1_yellow_&_black_kayak_-_1_person-65753


:rolleyes:

I guess I asked for it! :lol:

Mike
10-06-2012, 09:44
Mike is it for the hifi side or things or hc?


I presume Mike is looking for a subwoofer for Home Theatre use, and they can certainly add a fair bit of oomph in the areas most speakers just cannot reach, and there are many on the market from REL etc.. If there is a separate SW output from the Amp, this is ideal, but they are always difficult to match to speakers when it comes to music.... For video it is less an issue...

Quite right! :)

I kinda thought that posting in the AV section would have given a hint as to what it's for? :D

Mark Grant
10-06-2012, 09:49
http://www.bkelec.com/ always good for the price and size.

As jon1 asks, choice depends on the use, music or movies as there is usually a compromise.


Velodyne would possibly be one of the best,

http://www.progressive-av.com/Product-768/Velodyne-Digital-Drive-Plus-DD-18+

Mike
10-06-2012, 09:53
Just for movies, Mark. ;)

The Velodyne looks impressive but six grand is just a 'touch' more than I was thinking of spending! :D

Macca
10-06-2012, 10:05
These work well with music as well as films and are not that expensive s/h:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/REL-Q-bass-subwoofer-/230802809711?pt=UK_AudioVideoElectronics_HomeAudio HiFi_HiFiSpeakers&hash=item35bceb636f

Mike
10-06-2012, 10:07
These work well with music as well as films and are not that expensive s/h:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/REL-Q-bass-subwoofer-/230802809711?pt=UK_AudioVideoElectronics_HomeAudio HiFi_HiFiSpeakers&hash=item35bceb636f

Ah, thanks... I'll keep an eye on that! ;)

Stratmangler
10-06-2012, 11:08
I'm quite partial to one of these http://www.subway.co.uk/menu/subs/classic/spicy-italian.aspx from time to time :eyebrows:

realysm42
10-06-2012, 12:03
I've got one of these, works great with films and musically:

http://www.testfreaks.co.uk/hifi-subwoofers/b-w-asw610/

I'm really happy with it.

Stratmangler
10-06-2012, 12:34
Now for my serious suggestion.
Why do you need a subwoofer?
If you want decent bass, without going the vintage route, then The Edingdales are the answer to your problem.

Mike
10-06-2012, 18:50
The Edingdales are the answer to your problem.

Say what now?... what the hell are they, Chris? :scratch:

Mike
10-06-2012, 18:52
Oh, hang on.... something from Colin, maybe? :)

Mike
10-06-2012, 19:17
Perhaps "do I need a sub" is actually the wrong question...

My front end speakers are all PMC transmission lines with a quoted response right down to 20Hz. I should probably have asked; "do I want a sub, just for a laugh?" ;)

I'm just curious as to whether, or not, a sub will add anything to the party when I just want big bangs 'n crashes in daft movies. A nice satisfying "thud" when a bad guy gets a cap popped in his ass never did anyone any harm! :D

Stratmangler
10-06-2012, 19:25
Oh, hang on.... something from Colin, maybe? :)

That's right ;)

http://www.audio-talk.co.uk/colin/EDINGDALE11.JPG

Despite superficial appearances they're a two way speaker :eyebrows:

Covenant
10-06-2012, 19:29
Mike, I had a fairly cheap subwoofer, an SVS-big tube thing. Yes it could produce a lot of deep bass but it was always chugging along with the music and not properly integrating with the room acoustics.
Changing to a Velodyne DD15 was a huge step up-the electronics allow you to display microphone measurements on your television. You can then adjust the response to the chosen position of the sub. Once this is done once you can forget it and you have true cinema like bass.
There are probably plenty of other makes that do this so a good second hand one would, IMO, be a far better solution than a cheap new one.

Mike
10-06-2012, 19:40
Mike, I had a fairly cheap subwoofer, an SVS-big tube thing. Yes it could produce a lot of deep bass but it was always chugging along with the music and not properly integrating with the room acoustics.
Changing to a Velodyne DD15 was a huge step up-the electronics allow you to display microphone measurements on your television. You can then adjust the response to the chosen position of the sub. Once this is done once you can forget it and you have true cinema like bass.
There are probably plenty of other makes that do this so a good second hand one would, IMO, be a far better solution than a cheap new one.

Hi Jerry,

I'm not interested in it's performance with music. I have a completely separate system in another room for that! ;) I'm just looking for a bit more "thump" from my AV setup. There's nothing particularly lacking in it ATM, I just wonder if a sub will bring a bit more "heft" when I want to get silly! :eek:

Mike
10-06-2012, 19:41
That's right ;)

http://www.audio-talk.co.uk/colin/EDINGDALE11.JPG

Despite superficial appearances they're a two way speaker :eyebrows:

And with a ribbon tweeter too, by the look of it! :eyebrows:

Stratmangler
10-06-2012, 19:46
That's right ;)

http://www.audio-talk.co.uk/colin/EDINGDALE11.JPG

Despite superficial appearances they're a two way speaker :eyebrows:

And with a ribbon tweeter too, by the look of it! :eyebrows:

That's right ;)

Covenant
10-06-2012, 19:46
But most films contain music Mike and the cheap ones dont work properly IMO. Here is a photo of mine, minding it's own business in the corner of the room :)

Mike
10-06-2012, 19:52
But most films contain music Mike and the cheap ones dont work properly IMO. Here is a photo of mine, minding it's own business in the corner of the room :)

Very nice, Jerry, but a DD15 comes in at getting on for five grand from what I can see... more than ten times what I'm thinking of spending! :D

I could do with a more substantial centre speaker too!

Covenant
10-06-2012, 19:56
Is that what they cost now? Oh well-sell that Porche you are fed up with!

Mike
10-06-2012, 20:01
Oh well-sell that Porche you are fed up with!

I'm going to, if the weather ever gets better. Selling a convertible in a biblical downpour is never going to go too well... :rolleyes:

Mike
10-06-2012, 20:45
http://www.audio-talk.co.uk/colin/EDINGDALE11.JPG


I keep looking at this picture.... Damn nice work from Colin there, I love ribbon tweeters! :)

Stratmangler
10-06-2012, 20:48
I keep looking at this picture.... Damn nice work from Colin there, I love ribbon tweeters! :)

They sound a lot better than they look - fast as feck, with proper tuneful bass, and they image like illegitimate sons too :)

Mike
10-06-2012, 20:52
I wonder how much I could sell the PMC's for...... :scratch:

ninedecks
10-06-2012, 20:54
I was looking for a second sub to add to my system when I came across some floorstanders from Mission with subs built in. I havn't looked back since.
If you ever get down to my neck of the woods, I have an Acoustic Energy Evo sub available for £125.
Dave

Ali Tait
10-06-2012, 21:08
They sound a lot better than they look - fast as feck, with proper tuneful bass, and they image like illegitimate sons too :)

Second that, they are great speakers Mike, might even make you forget about your Yammies!

Mike
10-06-2012, 21:12
might even make you forget about your Yammies!

Hi Ali,

They're "on notice" too, mate... no problems with them, but I think I might fancy a change.

But this is about the AV setup ATM! ;)

Ali Tait
10-06-2012, 21:49
Aye, I reckon the Edingdales would be great for that too, they do stonking bass.

camtwister
11-06-2012, 08:42
For AV duties, I second MG's suggestion of BK's range.
They are made to order, so you can have fun choosing your veneer.
The Monolith is a ported design and is the prefered unit for AV set-ups by opinion of the chaps with serious televisions.
I use the sealed enclosure designs in my 2 channel systems.

http://www.bkelec.com/hifi/sub_woofers.htm