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Rare Bird
02-02-2012, 10:03
Who owns Vintage trouser flappers? Post your pickkies here if so.

Dingdong
02-02-2012, 10:31
How old would you call vintage?
Got some DM2's, Goodmans Magnum K2's and Linn Saras.

Beobloke
02-02-2012, 10:50
Well here are my Leak 2075s shoe-horned into my listening room and dwarfing my Ferrograph S1s (that's one on the right!).

Needless to say, they don't live in there normally...:(

chelsea
02-02-2012, 14:14
http://http://s1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd493/pilpil2/?action=view&current=Picture009.jpg

chelsea
02-02-2012, 14:14
http://s1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd493/pilpil2/?action=view&current=Picture009.jpg

Wilbur
02-02-2012, 16:59
What do you think of the Ardens?Got a pair given years ago,but they need re-foaming,and I dare not tackle them myself!!
Have a pair of Pioneer HPM100's,Kef 104/2,Quad ESL 57's and 63's,B&W DM4,7,and 12's(i think),Castle harlech's and a pair of Leak 20**...not much room in the house left!

chelsea
02-02-2012, 17:03
Very good.
They work very well in my room.
Nice and easy to drive,just using a 15 watt el 84 with far more power than i need.

Not everyones taste lookwise but i love 70's early 80s looking gear.

Well worth you getting them sorted.
If you don't like them you will double your money (minimum) for what the reconing costs at lockwood.

BTH K10A
02-02-2012, 19:53
These big enough

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f120/emttsd15/IMG_0398-1.jpg

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f120/emttsd15/IMG_0414-1.jpg

Rare Bird
03-02-2012, 11:51
How old would you call vintage?




Well even tho i suppose the 80's can be vintage i was kinda thinking no later than 70's

However here's mine

http://i1146.photobucket.com/albums/o534/ELPFAN1/Howards10001.jpg

http://i1146.photobucket.com/albums/o534/ELPFAN1/Howards10002.jpg

Dingdong
03-02-2012, 12:27
They look reasonably pretty. Mine kind of look their best with the grilles on. Will get camera out in a bit.

Ali Tait
03-02-2012, 12:35
They look mint mate. Don't have vintage speakers, but I do have these cones -

http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/1977/401bl.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/718/401bl.jpg/)

Alex_UK
03-02-2012, 17:45
Do these count? :eyebrows:

http://i653.photobucket.com/albums/uu259/Alex_Steel1969/hifi/IMG_4959_1.jpg

http://i653.photobucket.com/albums/uu259/Alex_Steel1969/hifi/IMG_4960a.jpg

(RAM 150s - the stars of my "Cheap As Chips" system which you'll be able to hear at Scalford. :))

And my main lovelies - Spendor SP1's - early 80s so probably not "vintage" as such...

http://i653.photobucket.com/albums/uu259/Alex_Steel1969/hifi/IMG_4537.jpg

http://i653.photobucket.com/albums/uu259/Alex_Steel1969/hifi/IMG_4518.jpg

Rare Bird
03-02-2012, 18:44
Well you know which i prefer :eyebrows:

Alex_UK
03-02-2012, 18:54
I know, I know... Perhaps I'll swap for a week or two and see - to be honest, there's not a massive difference between them... (IMO - YMMV! ;))

Spur07
03-02-2012, 20:37
Here's my EMI 319's, 1960's vintage, in open baffle configuration.

http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/spur07/EMI%20319/EM2012.jpg

Ali Tait
03-02-2012, 21:02
Interesting Paul. How do they sound?

Spur07
03-02-2012, 21:31
Interesting Paul. How do they sound?

very good imho Ali, well I like them anyway. They excel with vinyl, as you'd expect, but digital is good also.

OB seems to suit them, at least I prefer this set up to cabinets. I run a sub to fill the bass. I've got 3 pairs of 319's now - one day I'll get a pair measured and build some T-Line floorstander cabinets.

Ali Tait
03-02-2012, 21:35
You could try an OB line array, three per side?

Spur07
03-02-2012, 21:49
You could try an OB line array, three per side?

Yeah, I haven't thought of that - what, 3 drivers on 1 baffle per side? Not sure I got the room for that tbh :scratch:

Wish I had 3 pairs of these:

http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/spur07/EMI%20319/KGrHqMOKnQE3dIyC2GBODjGWktLQ_2.jpg

EMI 'Club' 16x11

Ali Tait
03-02-2012, 21:59
Yeah, make the baffle thinner but taller. If you could find a fourth pair of drivers, you could series/parallel them. Would sound pretty good I reckon.

Spur07
03-02-2012, 22:09
Yeah, make the baffle thinner but taller. If you could find a fourth pair of drivers, you could series/parallel them. Would sound pretty good I reckon.

oh, I see - taller not longer! Interesting idea - I have you tried this Ali?

Ali Tait
03-02-2012, 22:17
No, but I have a box full of NOS Goodmans drivers I was thinking of trying this with if I get the time. The reason I mention the series/parallel thing is because of Colin Topp's Edingdale speakers, they sound superb, using 4 mid/bass drivers connected this way. I think Paul Hynes uses his own line array also, using Visaton B200's, 6 or 8 a side I think!

RobsterD
03-02-2012, 23:08
some mk1 IMF TLS 80's
http://i886.photobucket.com/albums/ac68/RobsterD/CIMG0382.jpg

Rare Bird
04-02-2012, 00:21
They look reasonably pretty. Mine kind of look their best with the grilles on. Will get camera out in a bit.
With or without!! I Love the 70's Castle ACOUSTICS Ltd speakers beyond belief. I will never ever ever contemplate buying another pair of main speakers now. People can shove their over rated/Over priced vintage speakers :eyebrows:

Macca
04-02-2012, 10:14
Those IMFs look the business. Here are my nearly mint Celestion Ditton 44:

http://i903.photobucket.com/albums/ac233/Macca_photos_2009/001-2.jpg

DSJR
04-02-2012, 11:28
TLS80's used the same HF2000 as a super-tweeter. The famous Coles 4001g, which I think is still available in various impedance forms, should be a drop-in replacement electrically, if not physically?

smithy
04-02-2012, 16:29
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h258/cityopticians/photo-21.jpg
Here is a rather old mono trouserflapper(Wharfedale SFB3)

Dingdong
04-02-2012, 21:40
You've all gone and got the wrong speakers. These teaktastic babies are what you want.

http://i896.photobucket.com/albums/ac169/marktb/Hifi/DSCN0715-1.jpg

They'll be making an appearance at Scalford if we can get them and the stands up to the 2nd floor.

jazzpiano
04-02-2012, 22:42
Nothing to contribute. Just want to say you've got a fun thread going here.

~Barry

Rare Bird
06-02-2012, 09:10
Wish I had 3 pairs of these:

http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/spur07/EMI%20319/KGrHqMOKnQE3dIyC2GBODjGWktLQ_2.jpg

EMI 'Club' 16x11

http://i1146.photobucket.com/albums/o534/ELPFAN1/EMI.jpg

DSJR
06-02-2012, 09:14
Well regarded by those that knew and used them. The elliptical cones were difficult to form I understand..

wee tam
06-02-2012, 12:10
6119

worrasf
06-02-2012, 14:27
Who owns Vintage trouser flappers? Post your pickkies here if so.

These may qualify if you used to wear short trousers :lol:

Steve

Rare Bird
06-02-2012, 14:39
Great speakers those 149's. You can buy the foam grill if yours are missing Stephen.

worrasf
06-02-2012, 14:53
Great speakers those 149's. You can buy the foam grill if yours are missing Stephen.

Hi Andre- yes, I ordered some new foams last week from Wilmslow - should be here tomorrow
Also waiting for the pukka ones from Graham Hartle (? New stock next month)
Just recapped the crossovers with Alcaps from Falcon
Steve

DSJR
06-02-2012, 15:38
Just recapped the crossovers with Alcaps from Falcon
Steve

AND?????????????????

worrasf
06-02-2012, 17:13
AND?????????????????

Hi Dave - first thing is that I have no previous to compare as I bought the JR 149's on a whim and given that they are early mark 1's I decided to recap regardless. Well only 30 mins into listening (Einaudi's Nightbook) bass is tight and mellow (cello and piano are stunning) - mid range is honey smooth and treble is crisp (no hint of squeaking here ;)) I'm guessing they were designed with classical music in mind

I'm liking these very much - they sound so much bigger than they are - sound similar to my Epos M22i's to be honest - much more involving than the Ruark's but lots of listening to do. I have them on my Kan II stands but with a thick block of solid wood in-between the speaker bases and the top spikes. I'll experiment over the coming days with placing them on cones, sorbothane, cork pads etc but at the moment I just want to get a feel for them.

I'm really chuffed :)

Jonboy
06-02-2012, 17:15
These are my Favorites at the moment and i very nearly sold them to a fellow forum member a while back

DCM TF700 Timeframe speakers, 45 inch's high and 18 inch's wide but only 7 inch' deep at the base

http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp272/jonboy_01/CopyofDSC_0305.jpg

Rare Bird
06-02-2012, 18:25
Just recapped the crossovers with Alcaps from Falcon


Are those Electrolytics ??

seoirse2002
06-02-2012, 18:29
what model b&W?forgive my ignorance

worrasf
06-02-2012, 18:56
Are those Electrolytics ??

Yes - these are they:http://www.falconacoustics.co.uk/alcap-claritycap-solen-audio-capacitors/alcap-electrolytic-capacitors-50v.html

The originals were black Elcaps

Steve

Dingdong
06-02-2012, 19:14
This is one of the speakers that's normally in use. The eagle eyed of you will be able to tell which drivers have been replaced.
http://i896.photobucket.com/albums/ac169/marktb/Hifi/IMG_0106.jpg

Here are some more that are currently half way up the stairs.
http://i896.photobucket.com/albums/ac169/marktb/Hifi/IMG_0104.jpg

The 773's are not vintage. The Linns are not quite vintage. The Goodmans and the other B&W's make it in the vintage club.

DSJR
06-02-2012, 20:29
Those Sara's are putting their nasty vibes all over the others. Best get rid I say :rofl:

Dingdong
06-02-2012, 20:49
I might try the Saras with a bit of valve power up 'em as an experiment. But I expect the DM2's to be way better.
I remember being quite happy with my Saras LK1/280 that I picked up cheaply when I got back into hifi.
But now I've gone and changed everything.

The Grand Wazoo
06-02-2012, 21:05
Some classics for ya. In some parts of the world, these are a legend in their lunch-hour (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JBL-C38-Baron-S12-WX-Vintage-HiFi-Speakers-LE14A-LE20-LX8-C-38-Lustig-Walnut-S38-/110816418946?pt=Speakers_Subwoofers&hash=item19cd2c5c82#ht_10025wt_1344).

Rare Bird
06-02-2012, 21:32
what model b&W?forgive my ignorance

'DM2' & 'DM2a' by the look of it.

Dingdong
06-02-2012, 21:41
They are both DM2a's. One an early one and the other a late one. I've got a couple of pairs of DM2's as well. One of them has a DM2a crossover board without the hf switch on it. Must be a late pair. The other pair are in a walnut (I think) finish. Veneer needs a little restoration on those. The cabs on the others are scruffy and have donated drivers.
The Goodmans are Magnum K2's if anyone is interested.

Spur07
06-02-2012, 21:53
http://i1146.photobucket.com/albums/o534/ELPFAN1/EMI.jpg

Thanks Andre, I know someone who'll be well interested in that advert, I'll send it to them now.

Those 350's mentioned at the bottom were considered 'mid-fi' in the range but very good apparently - designed to be used with the Quad 303. Like hen's teeth now, never seen a pair on fleabay.

tommy6206
06-02-2012, 22:32
I have a pair of them EMI 350 well I think I do in a pair of hacker speakers sure looks the same model.I will have to open them up again to see..

Rare Bird
06-02-2012, 22:40
They are both DM2a's. One an early one and the other a late one. I've got a couple of pairs of DM2's as well. One of them has a DM2a crossover board without the hf switch on it. Must be a late pair.

Thats intresting Mark, never seen 'DM2a' with black baffle board before

Dingdong
06-02-2012, 22:46
All four of mine are slightly different. The veneered front ones should have black surrounds on the woofers and the Coles. I had a broken basket on one woofer so replaced the pair.
I'm building a small pile of dead Coles at the mo'. Only one of them died at my hands.
I believe Falcon still sell them for £40.

Rare Bird
06-02-2012, 22:58
If you get chance Mark try yourself a pair of 'DM4'..

Spur07
06-02-2012, 23:00
I have a pair of them EMI 350 well I think I do in a pair of hacker speakers sure looks the same model.I will have to open them up again to see..

Yes, do take a look. Hacker produced various models incorporating EMI elliptical drivers but as far as I know not with the 350 drivers. They could be the 711 series. Please post some pics Tommy, I'll be well interested to see what you got :)

Dingdong
06-02-2012, 23:04
If I ever get a chance I will. I've got the DM2's up on Target R2 stands so as the tweeter is at ear level. They sound just right to me. Got some 80w WAD monos powering them and they sound bloody lovely.

Those Goodmans don't sound too bad for freebies. Got 2 pairs and will use the woofers from one pair for a diy pair of speakers I'm doing as a long term project.

I'd like to hear a pair of BC1's as a comparison to mine.

tommy6206
06-02-2012, 23:37
Right lets see if we can get this right
They are Hacker LS-500C's size as you can see by the 12"ruler I put in there is 13.5" x 8"
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/tommy6206/Temp/DSCF0005.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/tommy6206/Temp/DSCF0002.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/tommy6206/Temp/DSCF0001.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/tommy6206/Temp/DSCF0006.jpg
I have 2 pairs of these but the other pair is LS-500B's with Celestion speaker in them. Both pairs are very nice sounding and well built

Ali Tait
07-02-2012, 01:02
Yer ruler's snapped. Buy a new one ye tight bastard.:lol:

tommy6206
07-02-2012, 08:37
Yer ruler's snapped. Buy a new one ye tight bastard.:lol:

Noo plenty of life left in it yet I just keep putting new tape on it :)

Spur07
07-02-2012, 09:04
Right lets see if we can get this right
They are Hacker LS-500C's size as you can see by the 12"ruler I put in there is 13.5" x 8"
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/tommy6206/Temp/DSCF0005.jpg
I have 2 pairs of these but the other pair is LS-500B's with Celestion speaker in them. Both pairs are very nice sounding and well built

Thanks Gary, well you learn something new everyday - I never knew there was a Hacker 500C model! I was only aware of the 750, 1000, 1500 and 1500B. Nice find! I'm not sure whether these are 350 drivers as they're notoriously difficult to id amongst all the different variations, but the tweeters look the right spec. I know someone that'll be very interested in these pics as he maintains a complete guide to EMI ellipticals and I haven't seen these mentioned. Maybe he can tell me exactly what they are.

Incidentally, how does the 500's compare to the 1500B in your opinion?

tommy6206
07-02-2012, 09:14
Thanks Gary, well you learn something new everyday - I never knew there was a Hacker 500C model! I was only aware of the 750, 1000, 1500 and 1500B. Nice find! I'm not sure whether these are 350 drivers as they're notoriously difficult to id amongst all the different variations, but the tweeters look the right spec. I know someone that'll be very interested in these pics as he maintains a complete guide to EMI ellipticals and I haven't seen these mentioned. Maybe he can tell me exactly what they are.

Incidentally, how does the 500's compare to the 1500B in your opinion?

I've not compared them to be honest Paul the sl-500b's are connected upto a Hacker centurion mkII I gave my young daughter to use in her bedroom..

Spur07
07-02-2012, 09:20
I've not compared them to be honest Paul the sl-500b's are connected upto a Hacker centurion mkII I gave my young daughter to use in her bedroom..

Lucky daughter.

Those 1500B's are definitely 711 series drivers which were used in the brilliant EMI 711A speakers. believed to be 1960's 3-way design.

Btw, if ever you want to sell any of those, let me know. Apart from anything else I need some temporary cabinets for my 319's.

synsei
07-02-2012, 23:02
You've all gone and got the wrong speakers. These teaktastic babies are what you want.

http://i896.photobucket.com/albums/ac169/marktb/Hifi/DSCN0715-1.jpg

They'll be making an appearance at Scalford if we can get them and the stands up to the 2nd floor.

+1 ;)

Truly remarkable speakers the DM2's and you'll have to prise mine from my cold, dead fingers if you want them :D

http://i1019.photobucket.com/albums/af316/Sgtgrash/Hifi%20Stuff/DM2onnewstand.jpg

Barry
08-02-2012, 19:51
I use a pair of B&W DM2a speakers in my second system. I'm still trying to optimise their position. I got them for a song and wouldn't get rid of them (though i would like to compare them with the DM3s).

Wilbur
09-02-2012, 02:36
Just experimenting with a pair of dm12's......:eek:
Not ideal placement for them (on top of my dm4's...which are on top of my kef 104-2....i know,i know..)but they sound fantastic!Anyone else had any experience with these?

Dingdong
09-02-2012, 08:00
I've never heard them. How do they compare with the DM4's and Kef's?

snuffbox
09-02-2012, 09:32
I used to have some B&W's in the seventies,they had threedrivers and were abot 20ish inches tall.
I also had some of these for a while
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/300658153542?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

spendorman
09-02-2012, 10:04
Right lets see if we can get this right
They are Hacker LS-500C's size as you can see by the 12"ruler I put in there is 13.5" x 8"
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/tommy6206/Temp/DSCF0005.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/tommy6206/Temp/DSCF0002.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/tommy6206/Temp/DSCF0001.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/tommy6206/Temp/DSCF0006.jpg
I have 2 pairs of these but the other pair is LS-500B's with Celestion speaker in them. Both pairs are very nice sounding and well built

Look like EMI 350's to me. Was not a bad budget speaker. Earlier versions of that paper cone tweeter sounded a bit better to me.

Wilbur
09-02-2012, 17:28
For the size,they really hold their own! I prefer them to the dm4,although the lower end is not as solid,over the weekend im hoping to be able to do some proper a/b/c comparisons,with proper placement/stands etc.
They cant hold a candle to the 104/2,but for what I got them for,a definate thumbs up!They may eventually turn into a system for the kitchen,with a quad 33/303/fm3,not too big but should sound great!

Wilbur
09-02-2012, 17:43
Very good.
They work very well in my room.
Nice and easy to drive,just using a 15 watt el 84 with far more power than i need.

Not everyones taste lookwise but i love 70's early 80s looking gear.

Well worth you getting them sorted.
If you don't like them you will double your money (minimum) for what the reconing costs at lockwood.

Any idea on what they charge? Id really like to get them running

chelsea
09-02-2012, 17:44
About £400.

Wilbur
10-02-2012, 02:01
Oooohhhh.......:eyebrows::eyebrows::eyebrows::eyeb rows:

technobear
10-02-2012, 21:23
Do my Celestion DL6's count? 24 years old and still sounding great:

http://www.technobear.btinternet.co.uk/images/DL6-1.jpg

Dingdong
10-02-2012, 22:32
As an experiment I just hooked up my Saras to the Kel80's in place of the usual Dm2a's.
How does it sound in comparison. Well, frankly, a bit shit really. Bass seems to have gone on holiday and the top end is a bit screechy. They've got the later Hiquphon tweeters as well.

Back to the Dm2's then. I remember the Saras sounding better with the LK280. They look tiny in my room compared with the DM2's.

vinylspinner
11-02-2012, 08:49
Hi Mark,

The DM2's are very nice speakers indeed, in the end I decided to keep my last pair for my second system and they are being driven by a little KEL84 amp.

Sound fantastic with classical music on the old radio.


see you at Scalford.

Nigel

Dingdong
11-02-2012, 09:10
I thought the DM2's sounded good with the old Linn amp. The Kel80's make them sound bloody marvelous. I swapped one of the little valves (6au6) and it's brought just the right amount of bass.
I only paid £300 for the amps and they are a huge bargain.
The original pair of DM2's I bought off you will be at Scalford. Will be good to see you again. I'll get you a beer in.:cool:

vinylspinner
11-02-2012, 09:32
Thanks Mark,

I found an old Phillips cd player you can have for your £10 system if you are going to show it :)

Just need someone to car share on the day to help with fuel costs, anyone interested?

Nigel

Dingdong
11-02-2012, 10:21
That might just work. Just got to find space for 2 systems in the car. And make sure the Leak amp still works.

Maybe see how Jerry(Jandl100) is getting there. Bit further up from you, but it might work.

Jac Hawk
11-02-2012, 15:49
What do you think of the Ardens?Got a pair given years ago,but they need re-foaming,and I dare not tackle them myself!!
Have a pair of Pioneer HPM100's,Kef 104/2,Quad ESL 57's and 63's,B&W DM4,7,and 12's(i think),Castle harlech's and a pair of Leak 20**...not much room in the house left!

if you're wanting a hand to refoam them give me a shout mate;)

seoirse2002
11-02-2012, 18:07
http://theartofsound.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=122&pictureid=730

Rescued these and another pair from a radio station I worked at many moons ago....sound great!!
Original Kef Concord with Metal Grills!

Wilbur
12-02-2012, 18:22
if you're wanting a hand to refoam them give me a shout mate;)

Thanks Mike-seen the refoam kits,but having never done any before,was a bit nervous of tackling these big mutha's!
Not too far from doggy,so might dig them out and have a go

DSJR
12-02-2012, 18:32
As an experiment I just hooked up my Saras to the Kel80's in place of the usual Dm2a's.
How does it sound in comparison. Well, frankly, a bit shit really. Bass seems to have gone on holiday and the top end is a bit screechy. They've got the later Hiquphon tweeters as well.

Back to the Dm2's then. I remember the Saras sounding better with the LK280. They look tiny in my room compared with the DM2's.

When you realise that Sara's are a 3 to 4 ohm load and the KEL will probably work properly into 8 ohm minimum speakers, I'm not surprised..

If you stick the Sara's on a proper amp like a good vintage Krell (an original KSA50 would do, but a KSA80 would be better), I think you'd find the performance rather good, or at least a darned sight better than Sara's usually performed with, say, Naim 135's - IMO.

The LK280 has severe design flaws/sonic idiosyncrasies and should have been stillborn in my opinion, but it was designed to drive these cruel loads and did so without burning up. A real amp like one of the Krells mentioned (since they're not silly money right now) would show you what the Sara's can really do, as well as making your DM2A's sit up and take notice :)

synsei
12-02-2012, 19:03
When you realise that Sara's are a 3 to 4 ohm load and the KEL will probably work properly into 8 ohm minimum speakers, I'm not surprised..

If you stick the Sara's on a proper amp like a good vintage Krell (an original KSA50 would do, but a KSA80 would be better), I think you'd find the performance rather good, or at least a darned sight better than Sara's usually performed with, say, Naim 135's - IMO.

The LK280 has severe design flaws/sonic idiosyncrasies and should have been stillborn in my opinion, but it was designed to drive these cruel loads and did so without burning up. A real amp like one of the Krells mentioned (since they're not silly money right now) would show you what the Sara's can really do, as well as making your DM2A's sit up and take notice :)

A proper amp Dave??? I know the Krells are excellent amps mate but you really need to get along to mine and Marks room at Scalford to hear his KEL80's, if you think of your average valve amps as Camilla Parker Bowles then the KEL80's are Vicky Butler Henderson... "They just love it darling!!!" :lol:

Dingdong
12-02-2012, 19:41
Did you not take your medication today Dave (dsjr)?

DSJR
12-02-2012, 22:09
No, I'm just comparing a heavily designed amp that was MADE to drive hideous amounts of current into a 1 ohm loading presented by your average Apogee ribbon speaker to a transformer coupled? valve amp with inevitable high output impedance and a corresponding shortage of damping (or very low frequency performance) into such cruel loads as the Sara's present.

If you really want to hear what a decent valve amp can do, ffs give 'em highly efficient high impedance loads (like vintage Tannoys for example). You'll restore some damping and the high efficiency won't challenge the amp's output like a Sara did and does :)

Dingdong
12-02-2012, 22:41
You have not convinced me at all about Linn Saras. They are back in the spare room with a pile of stuff to go on ebay.

I'll stick with the DM2's and 80w of EL34 valve loverliness. They seem to work quite well together for the ridiculously low price I paid for them.

Rare Bird
12-02-2012, 23:56
um cumon chaps the best Toobe Pwr amp imho was the Leak 'ST20' or the TL12+'s.th only one i was ever happy wive anywayz

Jac Hawk
13-02-2012, 00:14
Thanks Mike-seen the refoam kits,but having never done any before,was a bit nervous of tackling these big mutha's!
Not too far from doggy,so might dig them out and have a go
just pm me when you're ready mate;)

Beobloke
13-02-2012, 09:38
KEL80's are Vicky Butler Henderson... "

What, squawky and irritating?! ;)

To drag the thread back to vintage speakers, I returned from the Tonbridge Audiojumble yesterday to find that a pair of Leak 3090s had mysteriously made their way into the back of the Rangey. Most peculiar....

:eyebrows:

DSJR
13-02-2012, 09:46
You have not convinced me at all about Linn Saras. They are back in the spare room with a pile of stuff to go on ebay.

I'll stick with the DM2's and 80w of EL34 valve loverliness. They seem to work quite well together for the ridiculously low price I paid for them.

I wasn't trying to convince you about Saras, just trying to explain crudely how the amp you used, no matter how good into conventional loads, may well struggle with the Saras and if anything, magnify their odd response shape (one note bloom, over projected upper mid and a one-note treble to top it off :eyebrows:)

I totally agree with your sentiments in the second paragraph. My stuff in the main system is ss based at present - and "features" IC op-amps as well in the preamp (:eek:), but the music that comes out is superb and as good as the valve stuff I've owned in the past (on recordings I've played recently for the first time in many years...). As for costs, for some reason my current stereo seems to be composed of bits I once sold to their original owner :scratch:

Dingdong
13-02-2012, 09:54
I was surprised how little bass i got out of my Goodmans Magnum K2's compared with the DM2's. I know one is a little transmission line and the other a sealed box, but I expected more from the 12" woofers.
Maybe just need more watts to get them moving. If I get them to Scalford they'll be hooked up to my old Leak Delta 70 (not much watts). I'm still hoping to sort out a reasonable system for less than a tenner.

DSJR
13-02-2012, 10:15
Not sure about the Delata 70 - not a favourite of mine and I'm sure the previous Stereo 70 was better :scratch:

The DM2's have little damping on the bass driver, so a taut sounding amp may be what's needed to control them. The 104ab was "more tuneful" in this region I remember.

Dingdong
13-02-2012, 10:25
I tried the DM2's with a Perreaux 200i recently that I was repairing. It was only a tiny bit tighter. It did go lower, though. Perhaps a little too low for my room.
But swapping a couple of valves on the Kel80's seemed to sort the bass out on them. Got the balance just about right now.
I thought the DM2's are supposed to be sensitive, but the more power you stick up 'em the more the woofer seems to like it.

I think the Delta and the Stereo are the same with different buttons. I remember it sounding not too bad the last time I used it. Better go and give it a clean up and stick it's knob on if it's going to Scalford.

DSJR
13-02-2012, 10:30
There were a few years apart between my experiences of the delta and Stereo 70's. The Stereo 70 was in a slightly larger case I remember and the one I used sounded very close to a NAD 3020. The Delta 70 I had previously was a dog's dinner in comparison and I didn't care for it at all. All a long time ago now and both would need substantial fettling to get them to par..

make sure you use the phono 2 input (the less sensitive one), as the overload margin is tiny on the more sensitive input - around 35mV I remember..

synsei
13-02-2012, 12:39
When I originally considered buying a pair of DM2's I was a little concerned that the Hafler's power output might overwhelm them considering they are rated at only 60 watts, but I needn't have worried. They can easily handle whatever the Hafler throws at them :D

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Dingdong
13-02-2012, 12:51
I listen them at a reasonably loudish level now and then and they take it quite well. Only thing I'm worried about is trashing a Coles if I accidentally 'slip' with the volume control.

I have killed one. No idea how, though. All it needs is a nasty transient from somewhere to bugger one of the very fine wires in the coil. All the ones I've seen go o/c just as the wires exit the little tunnel from the connectors to the coil.
I believe Falcon still sell them for £40 a go.

Slippershod
13-02-2012, 12:53
r than i need.

Not everyones taste lookwise but i love 70's early 80s looking gear.




I likes their look too.

Slippershod
13-02-2012, 12:57
Here's my EMI 319's, 1960's vintage, in open baffle configuration.

http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/spur07/EMI%20319/EM2012.jpg


love the speaker - and the line drawing on the lp cover - Scarfe - Steadman (although 'gentle' if either I guess)?

Slippershod
13-02-2012, 13:03
Some classics for ya. In some parts of the world, these are a legend in their lunch-hour (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JBL-C38-Baron-S12-WX-Vintage-HiFi-Speakers-LE14A-LE20-LX8-C-38-Lustig-Walnut-S38-/110816418946?pt=Speakers_Subwoofers&hash=item19cd2c5c82#ht_10025wt_1344).

oh, man, those look great ...

Rare Bird
13-02-2012, 13:08
There were a few years apart between my experiences of the delta and Stereo 70's. The Stereo 70 was in a slightly larger case I remember and the one I used sounded very close to a NAD 3020. The Delta 70 I had previously was a dog's dinner in comparison and I didn't care for it at all. All a long time ago now and both would need substantial fettling to get them to par..



I like the 'Stereo 30 Plus' best, i prefer the sound to the 'Stereo 70'

Slippershod
13-02-2012, 13:10
hankered after a pair of these for a while - on looks alone with the grills off!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170781759638&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en

these particular ones are too pricey for me, however.

DSJR
13-02-2012, 14:10
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Both versions of these were CR@P of the first order. They did NOT play music in any recognisable form and sounded rather unpleasant I remember. They didn't last long.....

dantheman91
10-07-2017, 17:44
Just got a free pair of Hacker 500c's :)

Very clean they are too.....worth putting a wanted add in tesco...:)

spendorman
10-07-2017, 19:00
Just got a free pair of Hacker 500c's :)

Very clean they are too.....worth putting a wanted add in tesco...:)


What's in them, EMI's, Goodmans?

dantheman91
10-07-2017, 19:12
What's in them, EMI's, Goodmans?

Had a look and they look like the EMI 350's as stated...:)

spendorman
10-07-2017, 19:33
Had a look and they look like the EMI 350's as stated...:)

If that's the case, a tweeter upgrade should work wonders!

dantheman91
10-07-2017, 19:44
If that's the case, a tweeter upgrade should work wonders!

Back of the cue at the mo alex - My boot sale haul is enough to keep me going for a bit see bootsale thread 2017 update in due course - anyway i need the plugs for them...have a pair but their on the B&O S60's at the mo...:)

Martyn Miles
11-07-2017, 18:38
Hacker and Dynatron.
Were they amalgamated in the 1970s ?

I have a very interesting pair of prototype Dynatron speakers,
constructed using Philips and Audax drive units.
The crossovers work at 1,800Hz, which is perfect for the drivers
employed.
They sound remarkably good.